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[Joooosephineo]

I remember when Dead Space 3 came out. Some executive at EA said "we wanted to try and reach a broader audience".. something to that effect.

 

Guess what? Nobody who passed on the first two games of Dead Space played the third one. I have at least 8 friends in gaming, they play on both console and PC. None of them are interested in any of the Dead Space games, including the third one. One of the guys even got the third one For Free, and won't try it.

 

We don't know why. They just know they won't like it. Maybe it's the name. Maybe it's the extreme violence and tone hinted at in the trailers. Who knows. 

 

The point is, pissing everyone off with a dumbed-down 3rd one did not bring any new players on board.

 

Diablo 3 is another great example. Pissed off most of the existing fans of the franchise. Re-tooling systems that powered the best-selling PC game of all time, as if something was "wrong" with them. 

 

There are probably more Diablo 2 players online than Diablo 3 players. Did it bring anyone new on board? No. Again, refer to the diverse reference group of gaming friends. None of them got into Diablo because the third installment re-engineered the skill system. "Hey this game series you've never played.. they changed the skill system you know! Totally broke it for us fans! You should play!" .. "Yeaah.. still not interested, thanks". 

 

And what do you think happened with DA:I ? You re-tooled a bunch of stuff, dumbed some stuff down. Back to the reference group of friends: NONE of them are interested in DA:I, and they will never, ever play it. One of them even tried the trial - hated the combat, and stopped right there. No it was not me. I own the game and i'm waiting for them to magically fix 60% of it, which will never happen at this point. 

 

 

[Auztin]

Another purist rant.Moving on.

[SardaukarElite]

Wait, wait, none of your friends bought the game? Thanks for the hot tip, I'll just go and tell my stockbroker to sell all my EA shares.

[Vader20]

I can't believe some people are actually surprised by this... What made you think that they won't streamline it ? It's dumbed down... but I don't complain because I knew that's what we are going to get.

 

Skyrim got dumbed down as hell... , it's even worse than DAI in terms of streamlining but this what the market demands, so....

[Krim]

Yup. Skyrim is the pinnacle of dumbed down games. It did no good to the entire industrie if you ask me. If Skyrim was the draught horse of its genre it certainly pulled in the wrong direction.

 

 

[Dahae]

Just because you and your friends don't like DA:I doesn't mean nobody else will. 

 

I played Origins for the first time this year after it was given out for free, and because of that I've bought DA:I and loved it, and recommended it to friends, who are also buying it. 

 

For every person like you who dislikes the game, there are likely to be 5 others who are enjoying it. 

 

Why you felt your feelings deserved a post I do not know. Don't you have a twitter for these kind of self-obsessed rants?

[Octarin]

Personally I don't mind people voicing their complaints, but in said case I just can't fathom what the complain actually is...  What are you trying to pass across exactly? 

[Maverick827]

I don't agree with the OP's anecdotes, but I do agree that trying to "reach a broader audience" is a dumb thing for a game franchise to do.

 

I can't imagine what it would take for me to jump into any game franchise that I haven't already played, so to me, it's a complete waste of time.

[Nemesis788450]

i really enjoy the game and like really all the changes... i only have minor complaints tbh...maybe im the minority but for me clearly game of the year...

[Xhaiden]

Diablo 3 is another great example. Pissed off most of the existing fans of the franchise. Re-tooling systems that powered the best-selling PC game of all time, as if something was "wrong" with them. 

 

There are probably more Diablo 2 players online than Diablo 3 players. Did it bring anyone new on board? No. Again, refer to the diverse reference group of gaming friends. None of them got into Diablo because the third installment re-engineered the skill system. "Hey this game series you've never played.. they changed the skill system you know! Totally broke it for us fans! You should play!" .. "Yeaah.. still not interested, thanks".

 

You mean the Diablo 3 that is one of the fastest selling and best selling PC games of all time that sold four times as many units as Diablo 2? ****, yeah, D3 did nothing to broaden the game's audience. >.>

[Invisible Man]

i don't usually dive into the middle or end of a franchise I've never played before, mainly because I'd feel i have to play the series from the very beginning to truly enjoy it, however flawed that prospective maybe... it's simply how i am, and how i play. nor do i have the funding or time to indulge in such a fashion (not usually anyhow). and few games can offer me enough incentive to convince me to try, not these days. i've hardly seen any individual titles that seem worth my time as of late, let alone any that can draw me into a new story and start at the very first game in the series.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Meanwhile, I have three friends who have never played a Dragon Age game before (despite hearing me babble about it ever since DAO came out) who are now playing Inquisition. They all like it so far.

 

This is anecdata, of course, but my social circle is at least as significant as the OP's (by which I mean tiny and statistically meaningless.)

[Diegofsv]

I'm not against trying out for a broader audience, but if you need to dumb down your game for it, you should do that as an option and not as the norm, at least if you are using an established franchise. Games are so easy already, RPGs are supposed to be tactical and hard, full of micromanagement. If you want a dumbed down version, do a easy way to play the game, but dont remove all the tactical gameplay we are used to, which happened with DA2 and DAI.

[atlantico]

I don't agree with the OP's anecdotes, but I do agree that trying to "reach a broader audience" is a dumb thing for a game franchise to do.

 

I can't imagine what it would take for me to jump into any game franchise that I haven't already played, so to me, it's a complete waste of time.

 

Yes agreed, and that actually got me thinking - and my (anecdotal of course) experience is that I almost never ever jump into a game franchise. It does happen sporadically that I dip my toe into one or consider it at least. I bought GTA Vice City, and no other GTA before or since. 

 

And I bought DA:I because I bought DA:O before. 

 

But EA isn't oblivious to this, after all they do give away games sometimes, they gave away Dead Space last summer, perhaps trying to hook people into the franchise. I think that's actually a way better method of broadening user base than making the latest game dumb as bricks. But I'm not a multimillion dollar company, I'm just some guy on the interwebs.

[DaemionMoadrin]

But EA isn't oblivious to this, after all they do give away games sometimes, they gave away Dead Space last summer, perhaps trying to hook people into the franchise. I think that's actually a way better method of broadening user base than making the latest game dumb as bricks. But I'm not a multimillion dollar company, I'm just some guy on the interwebs.

 

Yeah... I got Dead Space that way. I always wanted to play it, too. I was happy... until I tried to install it and only got offered the French and German version. Bleargh. English or GTFO. Stupid Origin.

[hong]

There are probably more Diablo 2 players online than Diablo 3 players. Did it bring anyone new on board? No.

<waves hand>

[StrangeStrategy]

To summarize OP's post: "I'm drawing this result from a survey size from a few of my friends. They weren't interested, therefore no one is."

 

Moving on...

[10K]

i don't usually dive into the middle or end of a franchise I've never played before, mainly because I'd feel i have to play the series from the very beginning to truly enjoy it, however flawed that prospective maybe... it's simply how i am, and how i play. nor do i have the funding or time to indulge in such a fashion (not usually anyhow). and few games can offer me enough incentive to convince me to try, not these days. i've hardly seen any individual titles that seem worth my time as of late, let alone any that can draw me into a new story and start at the very first game in the series.

A flawed perspective...? This should be the only perspective, especially dealing with a series or franchise of a particular game or anything really. But sadly it's not, and some devs, like BW, likes to shove every fact from their previous games into their current games to help new comers catch up. This is bad!! and it really showed in ME3, resulting in a Shepard who would ask questions he'd already knew the answer to. This sort of thing needs to stop. If someone begins a series at the middle or end, and wish to know more about what's going on they should make an effort themselves in finding out that information. It shouldn't be the middle or end part of a series that tells the viewer or player about the beginning part. What's the point of having a beginning if it's explain in the middle or end? BW needs to stop doing this.

[Rawgrim]

A flawed perspective...? This should be the only perspective, especially dealing with a series or franchise of a particular game or anything really. But sadly it's not, and some devs, like BW, likes to shove every fact from their previous games into their current games to help new comers catch up. This is bad!! and it really showed in ME3, resulting in a Shepard who would ask questions he'd already knew the answer to. This sort of thing needs to stop. If someone begins a series at the middle or end, and wish to know more about what's going on they should make an effort themselves in finding out that information. It shouldn't be the middle or end part of a series that tells the viewer or player about the beginning part. What's the point of having a beginning if it's explain in the middle or end? BW needs to stop doing this.

 

Try Ultima 9. EA thought it wise to add questions like "what is a paladin?" and various others the character painfully knew the answer to.

[10K]

Try Ultima 9. EA thought it wise to add questions like "what is a paladin?" and various others the character painfully knew the answer to.

I'd rather not, and take your word for it   The burning sensation after playing ME3 is starting to slowly fad from my eyeballs. I would hate to view another depravity to cause that sensation come back. 

[Etragorn]

Ultima 9? *Shudders*

[Vader20]

A flawed perspective...? This should be the only perspective, especially dealing with a series or franchise of a particular game or anything really. But sadly it's not, and some devs, like BW, likes to shove every fact from their previous games into their current games to help new comers catch up. This is bad!! and it really showed in ME3, resulting in a Shepard who would ask questions he'd already knew the answer to. This sort of thing needs to stop. If someone begins a series at the middle or end, and wish to know more about what's going on they should make an effort themselves in finding out that information. It shouldn't be the middle or end part of a series that tells the viewer or player about the beginning part. What's the point of having a beginning if it's explain in the middle or end? BW needs to stop doing this.

 

True, but people are lazy.... You have lend out everything to them on a plate. Why should they tire themselves by looking up some info on wikipedia or somewhere else... ?

 

One of the dumbest games I played was.... in fact Skyrim. Jesus Christ... I never in my life thought that the TES series will get that low. Everything that made Morrowind and Oblivion great and unique was gone. Can you imagine  a role playing game without classes ? I don't. SKyrim had that. I played it for like 200+ hours regardless because it had that massive world that felt alive and that kept you going, but overall it was very shallow in many ways. It was a massive success and that speaks volumes about what people want today. So maybe we, who are purists, and love real RPGs should shut up because we are a minority.

[Xhaiden]

Try Ultima 9. EA thought it wise to add questions like "what is a paladin?" and various others the character painfully knew the answer to.

 

Much as I hate to be fair to EA, the shitstorm that was Ultima 9 had little to do with EA and we should actually be thankful EA took that studio out back and shot it.

 

Ironically, that studio's name was Origin.

 

 

 

Can you imagine  a role playing game without classes ? I don't.

 

...uh, Fallout? One of the most influentual rpgs of all time? Made by Black Isle? Same people that made Planescape Torment and published Baldur's Gate? -.-