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[TEWR]

Lelliana was great in Inquisition..she has grown a lot more, and this ruthless side she has in DAI was hinted at in DAO.

 

I will never understand why they didn't go more snarky with sarcastic hawke. There was perfect opportunity for some comedy .but..alas no. I think they were going for a tired, and emotionally drained hawke IDK.

 

I think what bothered me most about Leliana was that her crisis of faith seems to be rather.... brief. That and her Divine ending is a bit silly (much as I like her and agree with what she wants, I do not see her ideas working in a realistic sense). Also, the Divine ending operates in a sense of Queen of the Rings Galadriel vs. Snow White.

 

And while I can justify a hardened Leliana responding ruthlessly to the new sects that arise (a point I covered in a different thread) my main fear is that Bioware would make her respond to any and EVERY threat to her with blood. And you know what that does? Breeds resentment and hatred and would label her a tyrant of a Divine.

 

While her intentions are good, her methods are akin to previous Divines who had to deal with opposition it seems.

 

To be honest, I dislike how it has her operate on two extreme ends of the spectrum. A Divine should be a mix of the two labels I described.

[Cerulione]

I think what bothered me most about Leliana was that her crisis of faith seems to be rather.... brief. That and her Divine ending is a bit silly (much as I like her and agree with what she wants, I do not see her ideas working in a realistic sense). Also, the Divine ending operates in a sense of Queen of the Rings Galadriel vs. Snow White.

 

And while I can justify a hardened Leliana responding ruthlessly to the new sects that arise (a point I covered in a different thread) my main fear is that Bioware would make her respond to any and EVERY threat to her with blood. And you know what that does? Breeds resentment and hatred and would label her a tyrant of a Divine.

 

While her intentions are good, her methods are akin to previous Divines who had to deal with opposition it seems.

 

To be honest, I dislike how it has her operate on two extreme ends of the spectrum. A Divine should be a mix of the two labels I described.

 

Hmm actually the 4 possibilities are quite grand. You get:

1. very classical POV: Vivienne, she wants traditional choices & restore everything back like what it was

2. Conservative but progressive: Cass

3. Very very progressive with bloodbath: Leliana hardened

4. Very very progressive without bloodbath/Diplomacy: Leliana unhardened.

[TEWR]

See, Vivienne's being named Divine also struck me as being stupid. She's a Mage and though the game says some revolts followed, how would the church have unified behind her in the first place? The whole point of Cass or Leli going to VR was so that the remaining priests would unite behind someone.

 

Moreover, Vivienne doesn't even try and make herself seem like a potential candidate to you. She has to be suggested by you to her. Hardly something one would expect from a person Bioware touted as "The Ambition" and that she had a "hidden agenda" -- of which she does little to actually demonstrate ambition.

 

Third, the reasoning for why Trevelyan Female Mage can't become Divine is because.... she's a mage. And yet, Vivienne can? It's pointlessly absurd.

 

I don't even think Cass would be able to be Divine. She's too much of a person who needs to be in the thick of things, who needs to deal with problems head on. Bureaucratic drudgery is something she cannot do, and the Divine is basically that. Oh Cass is a woman of faith, no doubt, but being Divine is not something I see her being able to accept or do.

 

Never mind that the reason that one cleric wanted Cass and Leli to go to VR was because they were within the Chantry hierarchy. Okay, sure, but they were never priests (Leli was just a lay sister. She never took any vows). But the person who made the most sense for Divine is Giselle. I thought she was introduced so early because we were going to put her on the throne, as she was reasonable and progressive while being somewhat conservative.

 

But this thread isn't about the choices. Just the characters and whether they decayed or not.

[TeraBat]

For what it's worth, Viv struck me as the compromise candidate; that Cassandra and Lelianna were too polarizing, and Vivienne was the candidate they eventually settled on. 

[Ulathar]

When a new story in a series is told and it has returning cast members, and there are many writers, chances are they won't always be consistent and depending on the plot their relevance may be diminished or their character and behavior may simply be derailed from having a writer who doesn't understand the mindset the character's original writer had when writing him/her. It can commonly be referred to as "character decaying".

 

With this in mind, do you feel like any returning character in Dragon Age Inquisition suffered from character decay?

I thought many characters developed and grew really well, like Morrigan, for example.

 

Hawke, on the other hand, did not turn out to be what I expected. My Hawke was okay in some ways, though he sounded angrier than I remembered. The part that really bugged me, though, was when he went on about the wrongness of blood magic...even though he is a Blood Mage himself. I mean, it could be about public appearance/relations, but it still seemed weird/wrong.

[spyroware]

I'm conflicted about Morrigan. In my world state she was romanced by the Warden and they had the old god baby, but her DAI dialogue turned this relationship to some sort of power couple domesticity that I couldn't really bear. Morrigan talking about love and sweet moments and the three of us are trying to make it work because of all the love profusion. And I'm like cool it down a bit, you were the Warden's paramour and made him an offer he couldn't refuse, you were never his lobster.

 

This stems mostly cause my Warden married Anora and it all looked like they would grow to love each other. And for me anyway allowing my noble PC to marry the queen at the end of DAO was what seriously lifted the game from great to oh my god this is the best game ever. Your origins were not a half-assed prologue that was scarcely relevant by the middle of the game - even at the very end it was part of the narrative. If only DAI had made a little bit of room for that particular outcome, alas he's like the warior - king prince-consort of Ferelden that never was.

 

That being said I did like Morrigan's development in every other area. During the fade sequence falling on her knees and saying to Flementh "that was then, he's my son now" damn right I teared up then.

[TheodoricFriede]

Varric.

 

Varric is one of my favorite Dragon Age characters. He is brilliant, hilarious, fun, and fantastic.

 

He did not need to be in DA:I. He serves no purpose. He only exists to be "Hawkes friend". If anything i would have preferred him as a cameo along side Hawke, not a permanent party member.

[Wolfen09]

I believe the decaying is commonly known as "Anders Disease," and there is no cure, though whining and blowing up churches can help the person cope with the symptoms, they will not entirely cure it.

 

And no, I dont believe any returning characters contracted Anders Disease.  Hawke was probably the closest one, but someone who just popped in for a minute or two isnt really a major character in the game for me... so i really dont count hawke.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Yes and no. Varric was awful this time around, in my opinion, and Hawke felt a bit off (even his three personalities didn't seem very distinguished from one another), but everyone else improved in my book. It feels odd to count Cassandra since she was more plot device than character in DA2, but regardless, she's one of my favorites this time. I disliked Leliana before this game, but I like her now. I also disliked Cullen before this game, and I sort of love him now.

[Cerulione]

I didn't really like Cass from DA2 since well... we didn't see her more than her interrogating Varric in a very brash manner. But now that we see the person behind this brash manners... well there is a good heart there.

 

I really can understand Varric's being guarded & not as warm as in DA2, which is normal since the Inquisitor is not his best friend (let's admit it).

 

Leliana... scares me. She was one of my favourite companions from DA:O, she was sweet & loveable there. It's understandable since many things can happen in 10 years, especially after I got her lover killed (Ultimate Sacrifice) and now Justinia, who is someone close to her, killed too. Being Left Hand of the Divine must also harden her in the very bad way. I'll still say that the character is well developped however.

[The Pink Ninja]

I think they did they best they could with Hawke and I prefer her there not being perfect than to her vanishing to outer space. Still, you think the writers could have realised that our Hawke could be a blood mage and work around it.

 

Leliana becoming more ruthless and masterful seems like a logical continuation of her arc.

 

Morrigan too seems to have developed as I would expect and seems in character... though I am annoyed the Old God Baby basically went nowhere. She's suck a liar it's hard to tell with her.

 

Cullen was intresting enough I actually started to care about him in this game.

 

Varric had his moments but while I wouldn't say he was bad he was kind of spent by this game. He was the best companion in DA2 and that is a lot to live up to.

[bluonblu]

While some of the characters feel significantly different (Varric, Leliana or Hawke) that's due to realistic character development / different circumstances. 

[Antergaton]

I felt Leliana had a big downgrade (role in Inquisition or not) yet the few ways she acted at the ball fitted the character we know from DA:O. 10 years of development and ageing off camera to me hasn't done her well. She's not as loving or caring as she seemingly used to be.

 

Varric on the other hand I prefer in DA:I, know it all git in DA2 is now more respectful and reserved. I like him more.

 

Oh and Hawke is just wrong no matter what charactisation you did on them.

[Cerulione]

Hawke will always go wrong. Player Character will never be satisfying since this hawke in DA:I is not "our" Hawke from DA2. There's too many subtleties that can't be all catered.

[Apo]

Hawke sucked big time. "Blood magic is wrong!". Hawke...... you're a blood mage.

 

And romancing an elf who's blood mage too

[StrangeStrategy]

Varric never interested me in DA2 or DAi... He is a nice guy, a bro, very difficult to get on his badside unless you're a terrible person. He was just, there, you know? Nothing that made me really care about him. He didn't have to be a companion... I'm sort of bored with him. Keep him on the sidelines now, please?

 

Samson showing up was weird and I didn't exactly understand how he became the leader of the Red Templars. I mean, he isn't very reputable. Couldn't Cory have recruited better? this is a minor issue, I suppose. It was just weird seeing him, of all people, as the leader.

 

CELENE. TME made her brilliant and dangerous, in Wicked Hearts she seems anything but. She isn't properly represented... maybe its because we don't get to address her without going through her handmaidens, maybe its because we only get to see her brilliant plays by opening Halla Doors (That tied up naked soldier.... Good one, Celene.) or maybe its because she smiled like a moron as F delivered an ominous speech behind her back, while drawing a dagger. I mean, come on Celene. You knew there was an assassin around, why would you let your guard down for anyone, especially when you no longer have a champion/bodyguard? I was expecting more from her, although I did appreciate her coming to the Arbor Wilds. I hope we see more of her, or whoever we left in the position. I'm re-reading TME again.... I love this book.

[CuriousArtemis]

DAI story and character content is relatively shallow when compared to the previous two games. So I would say that any character who had a major role in the previous games (e.g. Leliana, Morrigan, Varric) lost a bit of "color" in this installment. However, characters that were only lightly explored in previous games (like Cullen) really fleshed out in DAI.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Warden Alistair wasn't as snarky or funny as previous games, though I guess one can attribute that to him getting older and mellowing out. (And possibly his life going better, so he doesn't have to use humor to hide his misery.)

 

Poor Alistair.  "Hiding like a nug in a cave from all fellow Wardens" is considered a life upgrade. 

[AlexiaRevan]

Humm..

 

Alistair - I had him killed in the fade and he acted like me and Hawke were going shopping and will see him later or something . 

 

Hawke - Took humourus and Noble and I really dont see a differenceeee what giveeee.....give me back my Hawke funny crazy !

 

Leliana- She start off renegade It seem...while I dont mind..its weird . 

[NoForgiveness]

I'm not sure if this is what your talking about but I thought inquisition Fiona really didn't live up book Fiona. Something was just really off about her. It's not just handing the mages to the venatori. There's just something about the voice acting and the way she looks that made me think "that's Fiona???"

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm not sure if this is what your talking about but I thought inquisition Fiona really didn't live up book Fiona. Something was just really off about her. It's not just handing the mages to the venatori. There's just something about the voice acting and the way she looks that made me think "that's Fiona???"

 

Oh yeah, totally agree with this!

[Hazegurl]

Varric improved but only how I see his relationship with Hawke. I never thought of Varric as my Hawke's friend or at least not his best friend until DAI.

 

I'm glad the game hasn't tried to cram Varric down my Quizzy's throat as his best bud. Varric thinks the Quizzy is the Herald, and believes it until the very end. He's just not meant to be your bud. Actually the only characters outside of Romanced Dorian that I felt were my Quizzy's friends was Cullen and Solas.  Although I don't see them as best friends with my PC.