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[Exodus2000]

Confirmed.

[RobRam10]

mmmk... link or whatever this thread is supposed to be

[Exodus2000]

If you played the whole game you'd know what I'm talking about.

[RobRam10]

Really you make this thread because of that? And here I thought you discovered some leaked stuff

[Exodus2000]

I am also bored at work lol

[Balek-Vriege]

Yeah I feel the same way as the OP.

 

By the end of the game the following happens or can be speculated on *Major Spoilers*:

 

 

-  Fen'Harel didn't betray the gods after all and the end of Elven civilization occurred due to the assassination of Mythal and civil war, rather than the imprisonment of the gods.  That means Tevinter at the very most invaded and took the scraps/ashes of a fallen empire that had already collapsed to infighting.  Verdict:  Fen'Harel is not that bad of a guy...  god.

 

-  It's also hinted in a diety codex (the one at the Temple of Mythal about Fen'Harel) that evidence and ancient elven texts/artifacts never refer to him as a god of trickery or mention anything about him being a traitor like the Dalish believe.  Instead all evidence, being very little, points to him being a God of Rebellion/Freedom or the like.

 

-  Flemeth is Mythal and seems partially unwilling or unable to help "The People" (Elves) directly.  This becomes more evident when challenged on this topic with my Lavellan Inquisitor as Mythal appears to be more concerned about vengeance against those who slew her.  The most she does is "nudge/push" events in her favour.

 

-  Solas is Fen'harel and unlike Mythal, is very concerned about the situation of elves and their ignorance of what once was.  Solas' "my experiences in the fade" line is actually code for "when I was a god in ancient times."

 

-  Solas gave the orb up to Cory because he was too weak to use it himself after initially "reawakening."

 

-  Solas loses the orb forever during final Cory battle because the falling fortress crushed it and broke it into pieces.  Which leads to plan B.

 

-  Solas visits Flemeth/Mythal and takes or is given her soul(s) since as he states, he should be the one to suffer the consequences of his own actions, but "the people" need him more than her.

 

Now why do "the people" need him more?  Because Solas as Fen'Harel is likely the Elven God of Rebellion.  One way or another every single elf is oppressed or under the influence of human civilization.  Who better than Fen'Harel to lead them out of servitude and restore elven civilization after thousands of years of oppression?  He was likely going to use the orb as a means to restore himself to "godhood" but was too weak.  So he instead willingly gave it up to Cory letting him activate it, then would try and get it back once that occurred.  That's why he's at the Temple of Sacred Ashes in the beginning.  Unfortunately things got complicated (DA:I plot) and by the end it broke.  The only way to regain the power of old then was to take the remaining known/accessible power of gods in Thedas:  His long lost friend Mythal and the dragon soul she recently acquired if it was saved.  Now we have the weakened god souls of Fen'Harel, Mythal and possibly Urthemiel all in one entity (Solas).  This may be close to or enough power for Solas/Fen'Harel to realize his true goals, which seems to be restoring elven civilization.

 

As a side note, it was funny the first thing that popped into my mind after reading that codex about Fen'Harel's true portfolio post-ending, was all the advice Solas tried to give Sera on being a rebel/Red Jenny leader.  He really seemed to know his stuff and if he truly is a God of Rebellion or something similar to that, I think Sera should have paid a little more attention to what he had to say. lol

 

Anyways I think based on the above we can safely say the rise of Fen'Harel, and the Elves in general as he "works his magic" on Thedas, is not too far in the future.  Either the main plot or a major subplot of the next installment and/or a DLC/Expansion for DA:I.  I actually hope it's the latter for various reasons.

[NotBeouwulf]

There are also more Ancient Elves than the Sentenals at the temple, remember Solas told Arbelas there are other places to serve

[esigma444]

It makes you wonder if there were other purposes for activating those orbs throughout the land for Solas.

[esigma444]

Plus if Solas has Mythal's soul, he now controlled either Morrigan or The Inquisitor. The Inquisition now has a standing army as good as most nations.

[HTTP 404]

usually if I am bored, I do more than say a statement that is common knowledge to many on the BSN.  

[Chiramu]

Leliana tried to get me interested in looking for Solas, but why should I disrupt his privacy? If Solas wants to be left alone, let him be.

[aerisblight]

I wonder.... just before solas shows up you see that at least one soul leaves flemeth and heads through the mirror. So maybe solas ate only mythal?

[Balek-Vriege]

Hmm that's possible I didn't notice.  Or maybe since it would make more sense, when the dragon soul is within Flemeth/Mythal, Solas only absorbes it while Mythal's essense using the Eluvians (which she would have control over and not Urthemiel's soul), uses the mirror to find another vessel, being Morrigan.  Therefore Morrigan becomes host to Mythal like Flemeth, Flemeth is dead/petrified and Solas gets his power up that was supposed to occur with a reactivated orb.  I wonder if there's a difference in the scenes if the dark ritual wasn't performed by Morrigan.

[Vyndral]

I agree, Sera should certainly take advice from Solas. Maybe she could have her very own power grab that almost destroys the world. And if she is lucky when that fails, she can perhaps snuff out one of her dear old friends because she arrogantly assumes she knows what is best for her people and what they need. Such an excellent role model indeed.

[Shelidon]

-  Fen'Harel didn't betray the gods after all and the end of Elven civilization occurred due to the assassination of Mythal and civil war, rather than the imprisonment of the gods.  That means Tevinter at the very most invaded and took the scraps/ashes of a fallen empire that had already collapsed to infighting.  Verdict:  Fen'Harel is not that bad of a guy...  god.
-  It's also hinted in a diety codex (the one at the Temple of Mythal about Fen'Harel) that evidence and ancient elven texts/artifacts never refer to him as a god of trickery or mention anything about him being a traitor like the Dalish believe.  Instead all evidence, being very little, points to him being a God of Rebellion/Freedom or the like.

[snip]

-  Solas visits Flemeth/Mythal and takes or is given her soul(s) since as he states, he should be the one to suffer the consequences of his own actions, but "the people" need him more than her.
Now why do "the people" need him more?  Because Solas as Fen'Harel is likely the Elven God of Rebellion.

Well, of course it works just as well if he indeed is the Trickster: he's tricking us into thinking he wants to do good when in fact he just wants to rise and to tear down the boundaries that make him week. I am more inclined towards this option, honestly.

[Robert Trevelyan]

The only part of this that I cannot truly figure is *why* Solas/Fen'harel gave Corypheus the Orb. Which is what we assume is what occurred.

 

I mean, okay, I can buy that he himself may be too weak after returning from (presumably) uthenera. But why give the Orb to a corrupted Magister? What did he expect was going to occur OTHER than his trying to use it to tear a hole to the fade and to try and reach the Golden/Black City again.

 

I don't see how that would further any want to release the Elven Gods from wherever they may be.

 

There's a lot of questions to answer Next Game.

 

Are the Elven Gods (Mythal & Fen'harel included) the same deities as the Tevinter Old Gods? The Old Gods which were corrupted into becoming Archdemons.

 

7 Elven Deities.

 

5 Blights. 5 Archdemons.

 

Plus Solas & Flemeth would equal 7.

 

Was Solas also Shartan, who assisted Andraste? He is also depicted as a bald headed elf, in paintings or stained glass. Frequently holding a Key, in a pose which appears damned similar to Solas' Tarot card on the squad select screen in DAI. The Orb effectively IS a Key, after all.

 

Solas is Elvish for 'Pride'. In one of the DA prose novels isn't an Elf holding an Orb encountered in The Fade? But written of as actually being a Pride Demon?

 

And this concludes my Brain Fart.

[NeKumon]

That was a radical ending. 

 

 

*Spoiler for The Masked Empire*

 

 

 

 

 

What I want to know now is where Felassan fits into all this. I suspect he might have been a servant of Fen'Harel, in the same way as Abelas was a servant to Mythal.

[Quill74Pen]

Well, if the questions aren't answered in DLC or an expansion, we'll have to wait another 3 to 4 years for (official) enlightenment.

[Robert Trevelyan]

Well, if the questions aren't answered in DLC or an expansion, we'll have to wait another 3 to 4 years for (official) enlightenment.

 

 

I am absolutely betting on this being the chosen case.

[Virgulec]

I'll probably be chastised for my hate towards the bald elf. I really don't care for him at all, I just want to fight him, finally. "It seems you hold the key to our salvation" geez, I was so happy when my char made the face of "Dude, stop patronizing me"

[jlb524]

I wonder.... just before solas shows up you see that at least one soul leaves flemeth and heads through the mirror. So maybe solas ate only mythal?

What happens in that scene if there was no OGB?

I only ever saw it where Flemeth also has Urthemiel's soul.

[Shelidon]

What happens in that scene if there was no OGB?
I only ever saw it where Flemeth also has Urthemiel's soul.

I haven't played with an OGB yet, but the scene you all are describing is pretty close to the one I got.

[AWTEW]

Plus if Solas has Mythal's soul, he now controlled either Morrigan or The Inquisitor. The Inquisition now has a standing army as good as most nations.

 

If I recall correctly, Solas does not have mythals soul, only her power according to dev notes.

What happens in that scene if there was no OGB?

I only ever saw it where Flemeth also has Urthemiel's soul.

 

Its exactly the same scene except she is not putting a soul in the mirror.

[jlb524]

I haven't played with an OGB yet, but the scene you all are describing is pretty close to the one I got.

If they are the same, I wonder what the heck Flemeth sends through the mirror, assuming Sola's gets Mythal.

My guess is whatever's left of the original Flemeth. Soooo, then next question would be where Urthemiel goes if that soul is still in existence? With Flemeth in the mirror or with Mythal and Solas? Looks like it could be either...

[jlb524]

Its exactly the same scene except she is not putting a soul in the mirror.

I see....ignore my other post then xd