Eh. It was alright. Bit miffed that 2/3s leaders in charge were female and 2/3 villains male (well more like 3/4) which seems to be a bit too far the opposite direction.
4) The sex in this was toned down definitely and less "Male fan service" (i.e. DAO sex scenes versus DAI)
I don't think the DAO sex scenes were servicing anyone, dear. Definitely not males unless you have a doll fetish.
As a Hispanic male homosexual I can say that I don't feel like I'm owed anything at all.
Should you pay for or be expected to right some past wrong done to people like me ten years ago? Twenty? A hundred? When does it stop and where does the line get drawn? Should Italians pay for the wrongs of the Romans? Why not?
White people today have no responsibility for anyone but themselves--the same as anyone else. I will not apologize for my white ancestors. I am not them. I live my life well and do my part to end cycles of prejudice and discrimination (we Hispanics and gay men do it too!). If I don't uphold that conduct, then I have something to apologize for and make right. Until then, I am owed nothing and owe no one anything.
You missed the entire point, I'm not asking them to suffer or be punished for what their ancestors did in the past. I'm asking them to acknowledge these problems still exist. But they don't. They brush it aside as whining, as if it doesn't exist anymore. As if mentioning these problems hurts them in unimaginable ways and that the people mentioning these problems are, in fact, the problem.
Ah yes, the universal "they." The hive-mind that encompasses every member of any group that allegedly has some dasdardly plan for world domination.You missed the entire point, I'm not asking them to suffer or be punished for what their ancestors did in the past. I'm asking them to acknowledge these problems still exist. But they don't. They brush it aside as whining, as if it doesn't exist anymore. As if mentioning these problems hurts them in unimaginable ways and that the people mentioning these problems are, in fact, the problem.
You missed the entire point, I'm not asking them to suffer or be punished for what their ancestors did in the past. I'm asking them to acknowledge these problems still exist. But they don't. They brush it aside as whining, as if it doesn't exist anymore. As if mentioning these problems hurts them in unimaginable ways and that the people mentioning these problems are, in fact, the problem.
Society at large perhaps, but not on the Tumblr 2.0 known as the BSN, you can't go three threads without seeing people complaining about/being offended by the way certain groups (minorites or no) are/have been treated/represented either in the real world or Thedas. It would be ridiculous to NOT acknowledge any of these when these topics are so abundant on these boards. People aren't being hurt by tthese topics coming up, but i'm sure plenty are bored by the BSNs favourite topic by now (outside of romance discussion that is.)
You missed the entire point, I'm not asking them to suffer or be punished for what their ancestors did in the past. I'm asking them to acknowledge these problems still exist. But they don't. They brush it aside as whining, as if it doesn't exist anymore. As if mentioning these problems hurts them in unimaginable ways and that the people mentioning these problems are, in fact, the problem.
No I got the point, but your point is wrong.
What you (and others who use the same argument) really want is for people to be responsible for the actions of others--because then you can blame them for the problems in your life whether or not those specific people engage in the behavior. You want white people today to acknowledge that white people--using the broadest possible label--are racist. Why? I suspect it's because it's easier to be seen as a victim if abuse is viewed as systemic, societal, monolithic. And being a victim, in our modern and progressive world, is power. It's power to change things, to have a popular voice and demand special (not right or wrong, just special) treatment.
As a minority, I admit to abusing the benefits of this system myself. I sometimes use my special status to get preferential treatment, knowing that labeling myself as Hispanic or homosexual entitles me to benefits not accessible to white male heterosexuals.
Is that okay?
simply the fact that you are cherry picking history.
Ah yes, the universal "they." The hive-mind that encompasses every member of any group that allegedly has some dasdardly plan for world domination.
We have dismissed that claim.
Yes, brush over it. Ignore it all together because you can't distinguish them being people who do what I say in my post and your interpretation of them being every white male in existence.
Probably because you asume me to be a black woman or something.
Let me state it once more: I am a white, heterosexual male. If you don't believe me, you can get my Skype. This has the added benefit of hearing my deep manly voice as well as seeing my near god-like face.
No I got the point, but your point is wrong.
What you (and others who use the same argument) really want is for people to be responsible for the actions of others--because then you can blame them for the problems in your life whether or not those specific people engage in the behavior. You want white people today to acknowledge that white people--using the broadest possible label--are racist. Why? I suspect it's because it's easier to be seen as a victim if abuse is viewed as systemic, societal, monolithic. And being a victim, in our modern and progressive world, is power. It's power to change things, to have a popular voice and demand special (not right or wrong, just special) treatment.
As a minority, I admit to abusing the benefits of this system myself. I sometimes use my special status to get preferential treatment, knowing that labeling myself as Hispanic or homosexual entitles me to benefits not accessible to white male heterosexuals.
Is that okay?
I'm not asking them to acknowledge their entire group is racist. I'm asking them to acknowledge racism still happens on a very large scale, which is exemplified by the difficulties a lot of minorities face in just about every aspect of their life. You don't have to be an active racist to perpetuate these difficulties, but you do have to take an active stance against them to make them go away.
And that's exactly what's lacking: when a person brings up racism, sexism or any other form of inequality, it is dubbed as whining, as acting like a victim while they are, in fact, victims. Like being a victim of something is the problem, instead of the victimization itself.
I'm not asking them to acknowledge their entire group is racist. I'm asking them to acknowledge racism still happens on a very large scale, which is exemplified by the difficulties a lot of minorities face in just about every aspect of their life. You don't have to be an active racist to perpetuate these difficulties, but you do have to take an active stance against them to make them go away.
And that's exactly what's lacking: when a person brings up racism, sexism or any other form of inequality, it is dubbed as whining, as acting like a victim while they are, in fact, victims. Like being a victim of something is the problem, instead of the victimization itself.
That's where you're wrong. You're telling people to admit something exists to degree with which they don't agree. Racism exists--everyone knows it exists--and it will continue to exist for the rest of time. But that's not enough for you; you want them to agree (with you) that racism is monolithic and systemic--and not everyone agrees that it is.
Do you also expect black people to admit that homophobia runs rampant in black society? When will women finally admit that men are given the short end of the stick in child custody, or how sickening it is that society has a "women and children first" mentality? Are these things you soap box, I wonder?
The bold portion is a dishonest generalization.
I really liked Alistair's. It was sweet and close. I never knew what the heck was going on with Zevran though lol
I miss Zevran. He was the best. 
Only he could pull off a dirty poem. Any other man I'd want to punch in the face.
And as for topic. I always felt with the Dragon Age series Bioware was departing from the usual stuff. Yes, not perfect, but look. I'm not a huge fantasy fan to begin with. I've never had any interest in Lord of the Rings and anything under that umbrella. Went to see the second Hobbit movie and spent half the time texting to my friends. (Fortunately the theater was empty, otherwise I would not do that.) Picked up Skyrim, played maybe 30 hrs, got bored and dropped it. I'm a way bigger sci-fi woman. Yet there I was playing a fantasy game series day one release. There is definitely something about the characters, story, and the atmosphere that it appeals to me more than any of the other fantasy series out there. I'm sure the better structured, varied, and complex female characters are a part of it.
yep and baby boys still cave there foreskins cutt off for no real reason.
men are arround 10 times higher to comit suicide arround 70 times more likely to be assaulted. (that includes sexualy.)
btw real figure is 1 in arround 49 to 52 women not 1 in 5.
more likely to face harsher jail tine for either equil or lesser crimes than women higher still if he is black.
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i am done.
CDC stats for 2014
That's where you're wrong. You're telling people to admit something exists to degree with which they don't agree. Racism exists--everyone knows it exists--and it will continue to exist for the rest of time. But that's not enough for you; you want them to agree (with you) that racism is monolithic and systemic--and not everyone agrees that it is.
Do you also expect black people to admit that homophobia runs rampant in black society? When will women finally admit that men are given the short end of the stick in child custody, or how sickening it is that society has a "women and children first" mentality? Are these things you soap box, I wonder?
The bold portion is a dishonest generalization.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Don't asume I am a black woman. I am a heterosexual white male.
Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Don't assume I am a black woman. I am a heterosexual white male.
Ah yes, the universal "they." The hive-mind that encompasses every member of any group that allegedly has some dasdardly plan for world domination.
We have dismissed that claim.
Despite of fact, that I've been responding to this topic earlier, I would like to develop one of my previous mentioned statement.
The roles of female in Dragon Age saga is not a problem. The problem is that Bioware simply forgotten to create interesting male characters. During their track to reach equality in created games I have a feeling that they have been working more hard on female characters, which are more adult and more interesting in many aspects than many of the males pretending to be leader of something.
What do I mean?
Just look at some characters met in Dragon Age: Origins. Except of Loghain, we do not have possibility to meet someone near to his charisma. Those, who supposed to be kings - Alistair and Cailan, were fools dreaming about great legends on their shiny armors. Both Theirin's were not even close to the picture of their father. Instead, they were acting like little boys dreaming about legends of their acts, while teyrn Loghain and his daughter are the people of act. Blond hairs, shiny armors, they were in my opinion written to girls, who would like to receive attention of the young prince on white horse/griffon.
On the other hand, there were two females of human kind that deserved their titles more than them. I am speaking of ser Cauthrien and Mhairi, who unfortunately dies at the begging of Awakening. Their passion and determinations made them very reliable person avalible for greater achievments and so I would prefer to see them as my companion that Alistair who was spoiled little kid unable to reach over his own goals. And so Cailan was, a king of Ferelden who wanted to betray his own nation by unifying with Orlais, and his wife for marriage with Celene.
Do not understand me wrong - I do not think that females should not be like them. But I am angry that there are more deeply motivated females than males. I appreciate Mhairi and Cauthrien, Morrigan has it's own attitude and magical influence, but who we do receive as a male-party members?
Alistair - no comment.
Zevran - narcisstic and selfish elf, low skilled assasin.
Oghren - drunken dwarf as a personification of stereotypes that males are those who sit in pub and drink alcohol all the times, the one who couldn't do anything because his own wife left him in Orzammar. Rather pathetic.
Sten - the only one who truly deserves my respect, despite the fact he's from the race that I hate.
It's quite better in Awakening in this purpose, but not much:
Nathaniel Howe was indeed someone whose past influenced his actions, his motivations did not made him drinking wanderer but actually convinced to activity. These are kind of people I prefer.
Anders? Egocentric mage with his kitten? The one, who becomes terrorist and kills innocent people to start war between mages and templars?
Justice was not even a human so it's hard to rate him, despite of fact that he was put into body of dead Grey Warden.
To be fair, female characters in this addition weren't good also. Valenna, crazy elf who would most likely kill all of shems, Mhairi who dies, but had potential for greater goods in my opinion and Sigrun, which in my opinion had the best idea to introduce as a member of Legion of the Dead.
Now, if we are talking about Dragon Age II:
Varric is a story teller and the one, who integretes further games. Also one who indirectly caused all the mess along with Anders. He is a great written dwarv, but not the one I would identify, nor he wouldn't inspire for greater acts.
Carver? Personification of jealous fool.
Sebastian - a virgin who does nothing to change the society he lived in, he's passive and reacts only when Anders blows up the Chantry.
Only Fenris in my opinion had a potential deserving for those, who would like to change the world (I am only mentioning about males).
In Dragon Age II there was almost none of the people with who players could identify with. If talking about males, Thrask was the one with big potential and Cullen afterwards. Arishok had some impact on the game plot, but seriously - what do I have to think about monster which cuts the head of Marlowe Dumar and starts a war inside city he's a guest? Simply another example of male that has to die.
As for the other persons in DA II, I still believe that females were written more deeply. Marethari was the truly leader of her clan, someone I had great respect for as she were wise and sensible. Meredith has their own motivations in fighting against blood mages, and had been under the influence of red lyrium. There's another sociopath, that simply had to be male - what a great appreciation of Bioware that both Uldred (DA:O) and Quentin, so those who were doing something incredibly wrong things were male. Lovely.
To summary:
The real problem for me is not the role of women in Dragon Age franchise, but rather how do Bioware constructs the story about males recently. Most of them are in the roles of oppontents that had to be destroyed but there is not depth in them. Just think about Livius Erimond, of course that magister from Tevinter is the most worthly to get trust of Warden Commander. Come on, why the sociopaths are always male in this series?
Corypheus has his own motivation, therefore I won't analyse him for the puropose of topic. Alexius is someone written better, he seems to me like he had some rights in his actions, but I would have to play again to rate him. Comparison of Samson to Kalpernia? Don't be ridiculous, it's comparison between pathetic lyrium addicted loser and former slave who dreams about restauration of Tevinter on the foundations, it was build on - in her opinion.
Where do I come from in my statement?
I truly believe, that as far as females has gained reflections of persons they could identify in game (Anora, Marethari, even Flemeth as a vessel of ancient god, possilby another strong characters like Cauthrien, Cassandra or so), there's no equivalent for males.
Duke Gaspard? The one, who is great general, indeed. But also the one, who can't rise against his own desires of power and goes into full civil war. Not the one I could identify with.
Cullen? Be serious, his leadership is almost based on the trebuches and his experiance from Ferelden and Kirkwall. He's not inspiring, as well as Alistair, Stroud or so.
The only ones that could have fit in those roles are in my opinion Loghain and ser Michel du Chavin, but seriously, their roles are so limited in the game, especially for this second one. He could be the one collapsing the abyss on orlesian court and can possibly inspiring in the future, but not be afraid to say this - there are no straightforward male leaders that can be identified with. That's of course only my opinion, as I believe that female are way more interesting characters.
There's serious lack of male leader in Maric type.
Oh, I can tell already that I shouldn't be in here...
Putting down SJWs with a Mass Effect quote?
Have a like, good sir.
have one yourself.
Oh, I can tell already that I shouldn't be in here...
No you should ive run outoff fek to give.
Well, damned, I'm not a Christian.
Me neither I suppose you aren't the patriarchy then.
Do you really just challenge me to get on Skype to preemptively prove that you're not a black woman?Yes, brush over it. Ignore it all together because you can't distinguish them being people who do what I say in my post and your interpretation of them being every white male in existence.
Probably because you asume me to be a black woman or something.
Let me state it once more: I am a white, heterosexual male. If you don't believe me, you can get my Skype. This has the added benefit of hearing my deep manly voice as well as seeing my near god-like face.
You probably meant well by your post op, but as I was reading, I injected an annoyance from what I perceived to be slightly obnoxious. Women this, women that, women in power, ect. The way you go on talking about women makes me believe you think they're some kind of mythical creature from Venus that came down to visit the mortals of men. The simple truth is that women are just people, a perception I've always held on to. If you wish to exalt someone make sure it's based on their humility and not centered on superficial, based criteria. It isn't an achievement to allow women to have majority of power in a game, since to me they're just people.
Do you really just challenge me to get on Skype to preemptively prove that you're not a black woman?
Is that a thing that just happened?
I was waiting to get home to ignore you, because it would be a hastle to do it mobile, but extrme circumstances call for extrme measures.
Racism exists, sexism exists. People are not responsible for sins of the past. Human rights are not zero sum. My hair is a bird, your argument is invalid.
Go head, ignore. That's exactly what the type of people I was talking about do.
Most of the NPCs you kill are still men, though. Hopefully that's something that can be tackled in the future when people stop thinking it's okay when men die.
I agree, but I doubt we'll see it happen. In all likelihood we'd see a huge backlash of bad press and campaigns complaining that the game promotes violence against women. Remember folks, when you kill a man, you killed an individual. When you kill a woman, you're systematically targeting women as a group. I don't think society is ready for a game in which you kill as many women as men.
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