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Vivienne just creates the first major step to the Imperium while portending to be a traditionalist. IMO she's the worst choice
It doesn't apply if the Seekers in her ending are independent and don't answer to her. It's a check on the Chantry/Divine itself.
The funny thing is, you'll probably have less powerful mages around in the longrun.. without organized Circle education. But probably more freakish cults and odd forms of hedge magic.
Sorry for the slight OT (I do not want to open another thread just for this), but have you noticed that there is a templar banner on the stairs towards the inquisitor chamber in skyhold even if you choose the mage path? Is it because templar is the canon choice and mage was added later for variety?
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What are circles? Mages teaching mages.
What is college of enchanters? Mages teaching mages with lesser leash.
The latter might be "risky" but in terms of power might be better. We need to give it a chance. If you side with mages, College happens with both Leliana and Cassandra. People might think Fiona is a fool, but she left the circle when she was a teenager and joined the wardens. All she learned is from wardens and other mages who were also wardens. She defeated a broodmother and is the only one on Thedas who did that beside the player characters.
Wardens..lol
I think this game is a good example of what mage Wardens do if unchecked as well.
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Vivienne
Aside from giving Mages greater autonomy, she increases the amount of oversight over the Templar Order.
Vivienne just creates the first major step to the Imperium while portending to be a traditionalist. IMO she's the worst choice
She may not be the best choice, but I don't think she's laying the groundwork for an Imperium
She's a True Believer in the Circle system. Including Templars to check the power of mages. She just wants to do away with the abuses it has led to.
Wardens..lol
I think this game is a good example of what mage Wardens do if unchecked as well.
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I'm still new to this game.
So, do I have to choose between mages and templars?
Yes..
She is the best.She may not be the best choice, but I don't think she's laying the groundwork for an Imperium
She's a True Believer in the Circle system. Including Templars to check the power of mages. She just wants to do away with the abuses it has led to.
The funny thing is, you'll probably have less powerful mages around in the longrun.. without organized Circle education. But probably more freakish cults and odd forms of hedge magic.
I would have disagreed with you but then I remembered that this player is siding with the Templars and there is no mention of what the Mages do in that case. So maybe they make the College without Fiona and the Rebel Mages or, like you said, cults and Hedge Mages.
What happens in Cass's ending if you told her to give up on the Seekers?
What happens in Cass's ending if you told her to give up on the Seekers?
Like 99% of seekers are dead, so she doesn't bother to reform them. She reforms the Templar order nonetheless.
What line do we get in the epilogue?
What line do we get in the epilogue?
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She just wants to do away with the abuses it has led to.
Speaking of which, I heard that there exists party banter between Cole and Viv which reveals that she was attacked by a Templar during her Harrowing, or something to that extent.
Oh I see, i thought the college if enchanted happened regardless of mages or templars if lelianna was made divine. I will stick with my choice of allying with the templars because I cannot stand fiona, so if Leiana still becomes divine, what happens to the mages? I understand that the templars stop taking lyrium and many stay with the inquisition or join the seekers, but what about the mages?
Hmm seems like Leliana is a poor choice for divine if templars are chosen. /sigh looks like it will have to be Cass despite her being my romance. :*(Leliana disbands the circles and its the first thing she ever does. The majority of southern mages are dead though.
Hmm seems like Leliana is a poor choice for divine
Fixed, LOL.
Jk. But no seriously^
I'm still new to this game.
So, do I have to choose between mages and templars?
Sort of. You have to choose one or the other to help you. But you can decide whether to approach them as allies, or just conscript them to your cause.
But whichever one you approach means you are locked out of the other.
IMO...
Leliana works as Divine on a pro-mage playthrough.
Vivienne works as Divine on a pro-Templar playthrough.
Cassandra, as the moderate candidate, works for either one.
IMO...
Leliana works as Divine on a pro-mage playthrough.
Vivienne works as Divine on a pro-Templar playthrough.
Cassandra, as the moderate candidate, works for either one.
I like Vivienne on a pro-mage playthrough. You just know she's going to need more friends in the priesthood, and a couple mage clerics wouldn't hurt...
Sort of. You have to choose one or the other to help you. But you can decide whether to approach them as allies, or just conscript them to your cause.
But whichever one you approach means you are locked out of the other.
Both are interesting and should be tried on different playthroughs. I thought I was going to regret going templars on my second playthrough, but it was awesome and you can feel like you're doing something really good in a way I didn't expect.
People need to stop fussing over Leliana. Mage freedom ending was leaked a year before the game's release. It wasn't rushed, it was always meant to be part of DA:I epilogue. I always saw Nobles to be more dangerous than mages and they would roughly be the same number and they can have more power than mages. I mean the south is ruled by tarts with fancy crowns who think they are better than anyone else and they think they are more able to rule the masses than mages. I'm not suggesting mages should rule Thedas, but you gotta admit magic is not the only power that's dangerous. If you fail at politics at the ball, the game is as over and Corypheus wins. That's the power I'm talking about. Not even the strongest magic can cause that.
Mages can police themselves. You make Leliana Divine, side with Mages and encourage Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers with better ideals and goals. Templars will become seekers who can be called upon for anything as the order now stands for "Justice for all" and that includes the mages as well. This whole rebellion proved the old system didn't work and the paranoia that mages might become possessed killed as much as all mages becoming possessed all at once. The issue was not as small as leashing Templars and giving slightly more freedom to mages inside the circles. That's how the circle were at the beginning! Read the WOT people. Then the chantry and templars started cracking down harder until mages were needed, like in a blight. After victory they were given more freedoms only to be taken away again later. Not to mention a circle like Kirkwall's was allowed to exist.
The way it sounds the new seekers are ten times better than any epilogue for Templars. And with Leliana they get the highest number of recruits.
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