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[Lulupab]

It also makes a way for mages to step on the position as a Divine. I like her idea to make the Templar Order into a glorified watch dogs like in Tevinter.

TBH I like it too. Stand around like decor and be called upon when there is a disaster.

[Akkos]

I'm wondering, for those who made Leliana as Divine and rebuild the seekers with Cassandra...

 

 

Why do you need the seekers, when mages are free to do what they want??, Aka.. blood magic, terrorrism, bind demons, become demons...

If you want mages free why rebuild the Seekers of Truth..

 

For me, Vivienne as the mage divine is the best divine if you ally with Templars and let them continue with the lyrium and if you conscript the rebel mages. Because that way people will view a mage in the sunburst throne as an example to the rest, and I hope it remains that way.

 

Cassandra if you disband the Templars. Because a strong-headed divine when you ally with Templar will make things worse for a mage and more prison.

And her reforms in the chantry will not benefit a mage at all.

[Lulupab]

I'm wondering, for those who made Leliana as Divine and rebuild the seekers with Cassandra...
 
 
Why do you need the seekers, when mages are free to do what they want??, Aka.. blood magic, terrorrism, bind demons, become demons...
If you want mages free why rebuild the Seekers of Truth..
 
For me, Vivienne as the mage divine is the best divine if you ally with Templars and let them continue with the lyrium and if you conscript the rebel mages. Because that way people will view a mage in the sunburst throne as an example to the rest, and I hope it remains that way.
 
Cassandra if you disband the Templars. Because a strong-headed divine when you ally with Templar will make things worse for a mage and more prison.
And her reforms in the chantry will not benefit a mage at all.

Mages will hunt down other mages who go bad and seekers will help them. The Seekers are now "Justice for all" mentality. And if Cassandra really makes them what she said she will, Thedas will need them regardless of choices you make.

And you assume too much, the biggest death toll of Thedas is still in hands of nobles who ironically are roughly the same number as mages. Tarts with crowns and fancy clothes who have enough power to destroy a country are more dangerous than mages yet we let them be free and imprison mages. FYI not a single mage in Inquisition mage falls to temptation.

And your part about Cassandra is a false. Disbanding or allying with Templars doesn't change anything for how mages are treated.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages will hunt down other mages who go bad and seekers will help them. The Seekers are now "Justice for all" mentality. And if Cassandra really makes them what she said she will, Thedas will need them regardless of choices you make.

And you assume too much, the biggest death toll of Thedas is still in hands of nobles who ironically are roughly the same number as mages. Tarts with crowns and fancy clothes who have enough power to destroy a country are more dangerous than mages yet we let them be free and imprison mages. FYI not a single mage in Inquisition mage falls to temptation.

And your part about Cassandra is a false. Disbanding or allying with Templars doesn't change anything for how mages are treated.

Not rly lets see who was main danger in dai? nobles or corry? you have answer. Who was creating army of abomnations no one other than grey warden mages,So no...

[Lilymoon90]

I kinda regret choosing Cass, I mean sure she's cool but not really divine material

perhaps Leliana is a better option

[Lulupab]

Not rly lets see who was main danger in dai? nobles or corry? you have answer. Who was creating army of abomnations no one other than grey warden mages,So no...

Cory was a noble in Tevinter who decided entering black city was good idea. Grey warden mages were literally mind controlled and are the only wardens who can be exonerated of warden crimes.

A noble disagrees with another, gets an army and razes a whole city to ground because of disagreement with another noble and thousands of civilian who die are what? collateral damage?

[Br3admax]

Cory was a noble in Tevinter who decided entering black city was good idea. Grey warden mages were literally mind controlled and are the only wardens who can be exonerated of warden crimes.

Cory is not a noble now, so that point is moot. And the Wardens summoning a demon army weren't mind controlled until they summoned the demons to begin with.

 

 

A noble disagrees with another, gets an army and razes a whole city to ground because of disagreement with another noble and thousands of civilian who die are what? collateral damage?

None of that is comparable to a demon army that will destroy the world. Not even close. 

[Akkos]

Mages will hunt down other mages who go bad and seekers will help them. The Seekers are now "Justice for all" mentality. And if Cassandra really makes them what she said she will, Thedas will need them regardless of choices you make.

And you assume too much, the biggest death toll of Thedas is still in hands of nobles who ironically are roughly the same number as mages. Tarts with crowns and fancy clothes who have enough power to destroy a country are more dangerous than mages yet we let them be free and imprison mages. FYI not a single mage in Inquisition mage falls to temptation.

And your part about Cassandra is a false. Disbanding or allying with Templars doesn't change anything for how mages are treated.

 

I care less about nobles being a threat or  my dear Viv having fancy clothes.

 

Whatever the case is, all I want is for people of Thedas to be less scared of magic having someone(a mage) as an example.

 

Because those rebels mages or "Inquisition mages" as you just called it are much more stingy as the nobles. At the end, those wrenched mages left your Inquisition. After everything you have done to shelther them, feed them.. and they still want more.

 

Can't compare all mages to what the grey warden's did. But Clarel and some of the warden mage(The ones who helped killed the Divine) were not "mind controlled"...  They were all convinced easily by a Tevinter mage again like  the rebel mages. And in no time they will fall and more chaos again.

 

No one knows what hits these  demons with magic.

[Lulupab]

Cory is not a noble now, so that point is moot. And the Wardens summoning a demon army weren't mind controlled until they summoned the demons to begin with.
None of that is comparable to a demon army that will destroy the world. Not even close.

So you disregard the fact that being noble is what gave Cory power to enter the fade and become what he is now. Good to know.

He is not just a "mage" either. He is darkspawn who have been personally in the black city, can mind control warden mages and has an elven orb capable of infinite power.

Like I don't have anything to discuss with anyone who sees Corypheus as "just a mage".

[Lulupab]

I care less about nobles being a threat or  my dear Viv having fancy clothes.
 
Whatever the case is, all I want is for people of Thedas to be less scared of magic having someone(a mage) as an example.
 
Because those rebels mages or "Inquisition mages" as you just called it are much more stingy as the nobles. At the end, those wrenched mages left your Inquisition. After everything you have done to shelther them, feed them.. and they still want more.

Many still remain with Inquisition, so that point you made is irrelevant and biased at best. With the peace restored mages need to help all other mages to be able to live in Thedas.
 

Can't compare all mages to what the grey warden's did. But Clarel and some of the warden mage(The ones who helped killed the Divine) were not "mind controlled"...

Citation needed. Alistar/Loghain/Stroud who see the vision openly declare they were mind controlled and the fact that Cory can indeed mind control mages... its confirmed that they were in fact mind controlled.

[Akkos]

Many still remain with Inquisition, so that point you made is irrelevant and biased at best. With the peace restored mages need to help all other mages to be able to live in Thedas.
 

 

And yet you sound more blind and confused, like Leliana.  You don't know your stance in Thedas apart from being "free and short-lived happily"

 

 

Clarel was not "mind controlled" my dear.  And the ones who help bind Divine Justinia were* not either.

[Lulupab]

Clarel was not "mind controlled" my dear.  And the ones who help bind Divine Justinia was not either.

 

Clarel is one person, can't really base anything on her.

 

Darling do you have any proof they were not mind controlled? A grey warden veteran tells you they are and we know for a fact that Cory can mind control warden mages, he could even control Anders who had a spirit in him. If that can't stop mind control then nothing can.

[Steelcan]

Clarel is one person, can't really base anything on her.

 

Darling do you have any proof they were not mind controlled? A grey warden veteran tells you they are and we know for a fact that Cory can mind control warden mages, he could even control Anders who had a spirit in him. If that can't stop mind control then nothing can.

Loghain says that the mages are only controlled after completing the ritual, before that they are doing it of their own (admittedly tricked and coerced) free will

[Akkos]

Clarel is one person, can't really base anything on her.

 

Darling do you have any proof they were not mind controlled? A grey warden veteran tells you they are and we know for a fact that Cory can mind control warden mages, he could even control Anders who had a spirit in him. If that can't stop mind control then nothing can.

 

Wow wow.. You are taking things out of content, you poor soul. Corypheus, my dear, could emit the calling I know that obviously and all wardens heard that calling. But they were all motivated by the actions of  Clarel, a warden commander mage who was clearly propelled by that "evil" Tevinter mage easily.

 

We can clearly see that in the game. Corypheus was not "mind controlling" them. Just like red lyriums and the templars.. They were either forced and lied on to test that blasted lyrium. But those rebel mages, my goodness.. 

 

To be frank with you, I think being mind controlled is one thing...,  but that's stimulated by a will consciously given to accept that your life is in their hands.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Vivienne just creates the first major step to the Imperium while portending to be a traditionalist. IMO she's the worst choice

Whatever happened to the "long live the Imperium" crowd? Is this not perfect? Just as planned. *muhahahahahaha!

[Lulupab]

Wow wow.. You are taking things out of content, you poor soul. Corypheus, my dear, could emit the calling I know that obviously and all wardens heard that calling. But they were all motivated by the actions of  Clarel, a warden commander mage who was clearly propelled by that "evil" Tevinter mage easily.

 

We can clearly see that in the game. Corypheus was not "mind controlling" them. Just like red lyriums and the templars.. They were either forced and lied on to test that blasted lyrium. But those rebel mages, my goodness.. 

 

To be frank with you, I think being mind controlled is one thing...,  but that's stimulated by a will consciously given to accept that your life is in their hands.

 

Commander Denam and other Templar officials knew exactly what red lyrium was and gave it to knights anyway, you can judge him for this very crime. Knowingly distributing red lyrium. Just like how mages followed Fiona, no side is better than the other but if you want to pretend, I tend to avoid arguing with pretenders. Leaders made mistakes, period. Blaming people under their commands is petty and wrong.

 

Corypheus can mimic the calling miles away but we have evidence he can control wardens close to her, like archdemons control darkspawn. Cory couldn't just walk to adamant personally without garnering a lot of attention and resistance. He was subtle and used a ritual to do it from miles away, that's actually smart. Again there is a possibility the wardens were not controlled, even then they were 4 of them right there? Why do you count them as "mages" first? Why they can't be wardens first then mages?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Cory was a noble in Tevinter who decided entering black city was good idea. Grey warden mages were literally mind controlled and are the only wardens who can be exonerated of warden crimes.

A noble disagrees with another, gets an army and razes a whole city to ground because of disagreement with another noble and thousands of civilian who die are what? collateral damage?

Cory was noble but he didn't went to black city because he was noble he went there because he was mage you may dream about it as noble but if you aren't mage you can't do it simple.And no from what i remember they had free will.

 

Noble can't do what they want they have to follow social rules otherwise society will just remove them abomnation don't follow any rules just pure force of destruction.So as i said corry was much bigger threat than nobles that were more concerned with parties than blowing up whole world in power hunger.

[Lulupab]

Cory was noble but he didn't went to black city because he was noble he went there because he was mage you may dream about it as noble but if you aren't mage you can't do it simple.And no from what i remember they had free will.

 

Noble can't do what they want they have to follow social rules otherwise society will just remove them abomnation don't follow any rules just pure force of destruction.So as i said corry was much bigger threat than nobles that were more concerned with parties than blowing up whole world in power hunger.

 

Orlais raped and killed freely for 80 years in Ferelden and chantry approved of this act, why? Because nobles had greed. It was so bad Ferelden threatened to burn down chantries and kick out priests.

 

Cory was the highest ranking nobility (royalty actually) in Thedas. He had more political power as original dreamer magister than he did as a mage. Him being a mage was just a convenience to allow him to become a magister. 

[Lulupab]

Loghain says that the mages are only controlled after completing the ritual, before that they are doing it of their own (admittedly tricked and coerced) free will

 

Still a mind control. But DA2 codex says he can control the ones in vicinity of him quite easily, like he did with Janeka.

[Steelcan]

Orlais raped and killed freely for 80 years in Ferelden and chantry approved of this act, why? Because nobles had greed. It was so bad Ferelden threatened to burn down chantries and kick out priests.

 

Cory was the highest ranking nobility (royalty actually) in Thedas. He had more political power as original dreamer magister than he did as a mage. Him being a mage was just a convenience to allow him to become a magister. 

A.  You don't know that, the Chantry may have just ignored it like it does most Andrastian infighting.  You have no proof that they condemned or approved of the behavior.  Beleive it or not, Orlais and the Chantry are two separate organizations

 

B.  It's not like there are any magisters who are not mages

[Steelcan]

Still a mind control. But DA2 codex says he can control the ones in vicinity of him quite easily, like he did with Janeka.

Corypheus isn't there to mind control them though.  Erimond even says that its being done of their own free will

[Akkos]

Commander Denam and other Templar officials knew exactly what red lyrium was and gave it to knights anyway, you can judge him for this very crime. Knowingly distributing red lyrium. Just like how mages followed Fiona, no side is better than the other but if you want to pretend, I tend to avoid arguing with pretenders. Leaders made mistakes, period. Blaming people under their commands is petty and wrong.

 

Corypheus can mimic the calling miles away but we have evidence he can control wardens close to her, like archdemons control darkspawn. Cory couldn't just walk to adamant personally without garnering a lot of attention and resistance. He was subtle and used a ritual to do it from miles away, that's actually smart. Again there is a possibility the wardens were not controlled, even then they were 4 of them right there? Why do you count them as "mages" first? Why they can't be wardens first then mages?

 

Thank you for giving me a point in one of those phrases, whereever you mentioned it.  We don't need those mages free because their minds are too weak when exposed to the real world..

 

"And mages imagine why people fear them, no one should have it's power". I love that phrase.

 

In Bioware, two or three mages in a cutscene can mean thousand mages in backgrounds doing the dealing. Well can't say much because I, like you have wondered how Cory got in there unnoticed. we can only assume speculations.

 

And I'm not pretending my dear, It's a game and I had to share my* most honest opinions about this situation.

[Lulupab]

A.  You don't know that, the Chantry may have just ignored it like it does most Andrastian infighting.  You have no proof that they condemned or approved of the behavior.  Beleive it or not, Orlais and the Chantry are two separate organizations
 
B.  It's not like there are any magisters who are not mages

 
The chantry did approve of the invasion as far as I remember, branding them heathens because the Chantry has the least power in Ferelden than other Andrastian nations, the Ferelden court and landsmeet overrules most matters over chantry.
 
That's true but he didn't use his magical powers to cause a disaster, he ordered his subordinates to do it. So yeah, more political power than anything.
 

Corypheus isn't there to mind control them though.  Erimond even says that its being done of their own free will

 
We are talking about the warden mages who accompany Corypheus to conclave to sacrifice Justinia. What you said is only true in adamant. I think they are pretty much counted as "in his vicinity".

[TheKomandorShepard]

Orlais raped and killed freely for 80 years in Ferelden and chantry approved of this act, why? Because nobles had greed. It was so bad Ferelden threatened to burn down chantries and kick out priests.

 

Cory was the highest ranking nobility (royalty actually) in Thedas. He had more political power as original dreamer magister than he did as a mage. Him being a mage was just a convenience to allow him to become a magister. 

I don't see chantry being kicked out off ferelden... it is called war it will exist as long human kind exists plus i never heard orlais being threat to the world unlike even single mages hell orlais is whole nation.

 

As i said you can be hyper uber king you can't do crap to get into black city while mage can do that so no nobles never will be threat to the world like mages.

[Steelcan]

 
The chantry did approve of the invasion as far as I remember, branding them heathens because the Chantry has the least power in Ferelden than other Andrastian nations, the Ferelden court and landsmeet overrules most matters over chantry. 

 

Well then you won't mind providing a source