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[LobselVith8]

damn here i was hoping for a truce for a few days XD

 

Well, an incredibly pointless discussion that bound to happen in an elven thread.

[Hellion Rex]

The way things are now, I see no chance of the religions fusing, and I honestly don't think they should. They work fine separately as religions, so it's the respective people who practice those religions that are the issue.

[Steelcan]

The way things are now, I see no chance of the religions fusing, and I honestly don't think they should. They work fine separately as religions, so it's the respective people who practice those religions that are the issue.

they don't really need to fuse as they aren't horribly different in many ways.  In fact they may just be two different parts of the whole

 

the Elven Pantheon has no explanation for the creation of the world or the Fade

[phaonica]

I'm pretty sure the Chant of Light greatly discourages worshiping gods other than the Maker:

These truths the Maker has revealed to me:
As there is but one world,
One life, one death, there is
But one god, and He is our Maker.
They are sinners, who have given their love
To false gods.

[LobselVith8]

That's true.

 

At the same time, that doesn't warrant the level of confidence and defiance they displayed over the years. That's all I'm saying.

 

Their religion is criminalized, human lords and lynch mobs drive them off land when they stay too long, templars hunt them down, and they are threatened with conversion. The Dalish also lead lives of hardship. I don't see what's wrong with them being proud of who they are. Even Lavellan can admit they are imperfect people and be proud of being Dalish, because he finds value in the culture.

 

And to wage war in the Dales back in the day? Even dumber.

 

This would be a bad time to point out Orlais declared war, then.

[Steelcan]

I'm pretty sure the Chant of Light greatly discourages worshiping gods other than the Maker:

These truths the Maker has revealed to me:
As there is but one world,
One life, one death, there is
But one god, and He is our Maker.
They are sinners, who have given their love
To false gods.

but the Chantry doesn't name the Old Gods of Tevinter something else, it still names them Gods, not on par with the Maker, but still Gods

[Steelcan]

 

 

This would be a bad time to point out Orlais declared war, then.

after elves were pouring into their lands....

 

not even you can blame them for that

[LobselVith8]

The way things are now, I see no chance of the religions fusing, and I honestly don't think they should. They work fine separately as religions, so it's the respective people who practice those religions that are the issue.

 

Well, there's some hope; there's Skyhold, where you have Andrastian humans, dwarves, Dalish elves, and potentially even Qunari working together under the same roof. There's Wycome, where the Dalish and the Andrastian elves can end up as leaders of the city-state, among others on the council, after Clan Lavellan rescue the humans from red lyrium poisoning and stay to defend the elves of the Alienage.

[Sifr]

the Elven Pantheon has no explanation for the creation of the world or the Fade

 

The story of Elgar'nan has the land itself bring forth life as a gift to him, so they do have somewhat of a creation myth.

[Steelcan]

The story of Elgar'nan has the land itself bring forth life as a gift to him, so they do have somewhat of a creation myth.

but where did the land come from

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think the elves ever followed the Andrastian faith.

Besides ****ing Shartan himself anyway.

You figure a heroic figure would inspire more loyalty to the God that ****ing freed them.

[dragonflight288]

but where did the land come from

 

From the Stone!

 

And don't forget the sword in it. 

[Steelcan]

From the Stone!

 

And don't forget the sword in it. 

 

ARTHUR

[Sifr]

but where did the land come from

 

Same place as the Sun did...

 

(The Mathematician's Answer)

[Master Warder Z_]

The Chantry needs to remember him though. There's no excuse for removing him.

I agree it's one of the Chantry's few failures.

Honestly I'd have toted the dogma they were reclaiming the Dales FOR Shartan.

[phaonica]

but the Chantry doesn't name the Old Gods of Tevinter something else, it still names them Gods, not on par with the Maker, but still Gods

Yes, it seems to recognize gods, but it says it is a sin to worship them. Which is why I get the impression that they wouldn't combine.

[Steelcan]

Yes, it seems to recognize gods, but it says it is a sin to worship them. Which is why I get the impression that they wouldn't combine.

well I can't fault them for it when the Old Gods unleashed the Blight upon the world, after demanding horrid sacrifices

[LobselVith8]

Yes.. and that's why I'm losing sympathy.. a little at least. They decided to listen some other dude apparently. Some Keeper or Keepers.. not the guy who gave his life for them.

 

You're losing sympathy for the elves because they didn't convert to Andraste's religion? That's ridiculous. The elves weren't under any obligation to give up their own faith to follow Andraste's. They participated in the battles against the Imperium, fighting along Tevinter with everyone else.

 

The Chantry needs to remember him though. There's no excuse for removing him.

 

The Dalish remember Shartan.

[Steelcan]

 

 

The Dalish remember Shartan.

well of course, its not like they ever drop an opportunity to be angry about something that happened centuries ago