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[WildOrchid]

I don't know what you mean with "a lot of you". I'm female myself.

 

and I would also complain if all important characters were male. 

 

"The lot of you" = people who complain about "imbalance".

 

 

I'd suggest you to go to rockstar or ubisoft forums then.

[Serza]

 

This is a well-known picture that explains the problem you're encountering. 

 

We are not starting with a level playing field. Or, to use the picture here, we are not all starting from the same height. In this case, men are taller. Men have been given greater representation, and for the most part still are given it. In order to make things more equitable, or in fact to bring justice to the situation, we need to give women more of a helping hand than men. Because they - using this analogy - are shorter, and giving the same to men and women will not produce a fair outcome for women.

 

Bob has 3 apples.

Jenny has 0 apples.

Jenny says that Bob and Jenny should be treated equally.

Bob says he has no real problem with that.

Bob and Jenny each take 3 apples from a basket.

Now Bob has 6 apples, and Jenny has 3 apples.

Wait, says Jenny. I still have fewer apples. We should be treated equally.

Bob agrees, we should be treated equally. And we have both taken 3 apples. That is fair.

Jenny disagrees. Jenny reaches and takes 3 more apples.

Bob has 6 apples.

Jenny has 6 apples.

Bob throws a fit because Jenny took more apples than him and he doesn't think that's fair.

 

See?

 

Moral of the story: Bob is an a-hole.

[Hellion Rex]

I'd bet my house that the lot of you wouldn't complain if Bioware did the opposite.

I guarantee that that is a bet you should not take.
Also, great blanket statement you got there!

[LiaraShepard]

"The lot of you" = people who complain about "imbalance".

 

 

I'd suggest you to to rockstar or ubisoft forums then.

 

I don't play rockstar games anymore, because I think they're sexist.

[Cerulione]

I hate you OP. Your non-sense post spawned 15 pages while my honest posts get little attention. lol

 

Well, re-post & we'll discuss? I surely missed a few page.

[LolaLei]

Why does the game have so many females, specially at the beginning. I created a female character and then just right after the opening cinematic I had to deal with two other women (Cassandra and Liliana) and no male character at all. There were also mentions of Justinia (deceased leader of Chantry) and she was also female.

 

It felt like a complete female-fest or something.

 

So I deleted my female character and created a male character.

 

Just thought I should share this fact , as it did bother me a lot to see females in the decision making position and no males at all. Not sure what was bioware's fascination with putting females in every place of power, at the beginning of the game. I haven't the played the game past the opening mission, so I don't know what awaits me next.

 

But from what I have seen so far, seriously discouraged me from playing a female character, as I want my game worlds to be balanced among genders.

 

Poor baby. 

[Ashevajak]

Yes, why at the female dominated Chantry's peace talks, in a holy site to the Chantry, would there be so many females?

I agree OP, it just makes no sense.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Don't forget being told to "get back in the kitchen" or similar stupid non-sense.
I think I saw that happen somewhere. Not on BSN though.

My personal favourite was the "chicks ain't real gamers" argument that usually comes up whenever talking about women in gaming, makes me laugh now tbh

[ThreeF]

to be honest, women have always played a big role in Bioware games. Bastila, Dawn Star, Silx Fox, Liara, Ashley, Miranda, Isabela, Morrigan, Flemeth, Leliana, Tallis, Victoria...those are all strong, story relevant, independend female characters. On the other side we have Carth with his family complex, Jacob who's very boring, Kaidan who seems a little reversed compared to Ashley, Alistar who's more whiny and insecure...and well anders and solas who are okay. 

 

but the females had always been stronger, more indepenend, with more knowledge (except Solas) and more hidden plans or positions of power

 

I really miss strong, independend male charcters with hidden agendas or powerfull positions in bioware games.

 

This whole boring not boring argument is really subjective and the whole concept of a specific masculinity that seems to be embraced as a sign of strength is ridiculous. Men have every right to have weaknesses and show them, it does not make them weak.

 

Alistair being shown as a man who never really experienced real world, is not inherently bad thing and it doesn't make him weak or whiny. 

 

And let's take a look at  DAI do you really consider men like Varrick, Cullen, Iron Bull, Dorian (and even Blackwall) to be weak and dependent?

 

[Vita Brevis]

But why always this direction? I don't say the other games are better. But why justify an unbalance only because other games don't do it better? 

It's not "unbalanced" at all. That's why. If you felt like a male characters in BW games are somewhat a lesser beings and less important compared to female ones, that's just you. Because I don't find Alistair, Zevran, Sten, Loghain, Nathaniel, Anders, Fenris, Carver, Cullen, Varric, Solas, IB, Dorian,  Blackwall and so on to be any less interesting than the female gang.

[Steelcan]

if BioWare had made most of the advisers and companions, along with most of the political leaders male, I guarantee this forum would be in uproar

[Serza]

My personal favourite was the "chicks ain't real gamers" argument that usually comes up whenever talking about women in gaming, makes me laugh now tbh

 

A female gamer was a rarity to me until I started coming to BSN.

 

I blame the kind of games I used to play. Not many women seem to be attracted to something you might describe as a military simulator. Keyword: might.

 

Still, the few I actually met were no less gamers than me.

Funny fact, I thought female gamers are a rare sight. Not anymore...

It's been an eye-opener in that regard, coming on here.

[Cerulione]

This whole boring not boring argument is really subjective and the whole concept of a specific masculinity that seems to be embraced as a sign of strength is ridiculous. Men have every right to have weaknesses and show them, it does not make them weak.

 

Alistair being shown as a man who never really experienced real world, is not inherently bad thing and it doesn't make him weak or whiny. 

 

And let's take a look at  DAI do you really consider men like Varrick, Cullen, Iron Bull, Dorian (and even Blackwall) to be weak and dependent?
 

 

Very good point.

[Farangbaa]

All these realism arguments, hilaaaaaaarious.

When was the last time you saw a dragon, a mage, an oxman, an elf and a dwarf fight it out?

Screw the last time... when was the first time? Was there a first time?

Or how many times have seen someone getting hit in the face with a rock the size of their body at the speed of a motorcycle... thrown by a giant... and survive it all?

Or... seriously... realism?

[Laurelinde]

It's not "unbalanced" at all. That's why. If you felt like a male characters in BW games are somewhat a lesser beings and less important compared to female ones, that's just you. Because I don't find Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Fenris, Carver, Cullen, Varric, Solas, IB, Dorian,  Blackwall and so on to be any less interesting than the female gang.

 

Unless I'm mistaken (always possible!) the polls I've seen round here about favorite companions had people like Dorian and Alistair at the top, too; so clearly there are people who do like the male characters.  It splits fairly evenly for me, I think, in terms of who I prefer.

[Vita Brevis]

Unless I'm mistaken (always possible!) the polls I've seen round here about favorite companions had people like Dorian and Alistair at the top, too; so clearly there are people who do like the male characters.  It splits fairly evenly for me, I think, in terms of who I prefer.

Yeah. And Morrigan thread has a fewer pages than... I dunno, most of the other companions threads divided by 5. 

So much for a story important character.

[Steelcan]

All these realism arguments, hilaaaaaaarious.

When was the last time you saw a dragon, a mage, an oxman, an elf and a dwarf fight it out?

Screw the last time... when was the first time? Was there a first time?

Or how many times have seen someone surive getting hit in the face with a rock the size of their body at the speed of a motorcycle... thrown by a giant... and survive it all?

Or... seriously... realism?

*snip*

While I ultimately agree with your point, this is not they way to argue it

 

Even in fantasy world's most aspects of it are the same as the real world.  Gravity is still applicable, laws of motion, etc... (unless magic is acting upon the object)

 

Just because there are dragons in the skies, doesn't mean all things grounded in the real world are suddenly up for grabs.

[Steelcan]

Yeah. And Morrigan thread has a fewer pages than... I dunno, most of the other companions threads divided by 5. 

So much for a story important character.

and Sera has more than any other save Cullen

[Serza]

and Sera has more than any other save Cullen

 

Well, we Seranaders are a chatty bunch, nothing we can do about it.

[Vita Brevis]

Uh-huh and half of the posts there are people asking wth is wrong with her and how they want to kick her out of the party.

Sera is a really bad example. Too close to a least favourite character in DAI.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

A female gamer was a rarity to me until I started coming to BSN.
 
I blame the kind of games I used to play. Not many women seem to be attracted to something you might describe as a military simulator. Keyword: might.
 
Still, the few I actually met were no less gamers than me.
Funny fact, I thought female gamers are a rare sight. Not anymore...
It's been an eye-opener in that regard, coming on here.

Is a shame that it can be difficult to meet fellow female gamers when so many hide their sex to avoid getting shamed, harassed or abused by certain people who seemingly won't tolerate them playing openly

[The Loyal Nub]

Uh-huh and half of the posts there are people asking wth is wrong with her and how they want to kick her out of the party.

 

No not true or you haven't visited in quite a while. Most of the regular posters like her and have found some empathy for her character.

[Farangbaa]

if BioWare had made most of the advisers and companions, along with most of the political leaders male, I guarantee this forum would be in uproar

Oh please.

Advisors: 2F, 1M.
Companions: 3F, 6M
Political Leaders: too lazy to count, but way more men than female. (the females I could only think of Celene, Briala, the Divine, Fiona and Calpernia. For the males it's basically everybody else. From Fairbanks, to all the generals in all armies you see in the game, to the Mayor of Crestwood, to Corpyhpeus)


It's still skewed towards males.

[Milan92]

and Sera has more than any other save Cullen

 

But didn't you know? The amount of thread pages proves how popular a character is!

[catabuca]

This whole boring not boring argument is really subjective and the whole concept of a specific masculinity that seems to be embraced as a sign of strength is ridiculous. Men have every right to have weaknesses and show them, it does not make them weak.

 

Alistair being shown as a man who never really experienced real world, is not inherently bad thing and it doesn't make him weak or whiny. 

 

And let's take a look at  DAI do you really consider men like Varrick, Cullen, Iron Bull, Dorian (and even Blackwall) to be weak and dependent?

 

 

I wanted to address (and applaud) the part I highlighted.

 

This is a huge problem that spans gaming, politics, all sorts of areas of life. The same system that we rail against for saying that women must be 'traditionally feminine', docile, gentle, submissive, attractive to men, etc., is the same system that puts forward the equally harmful narrative that 'real men' must be hyper-masculine, strong, emotionless, and that anything falling outside of that is weak, effeminate, wrong. That's a problem for women, it's a problem for men. It sets out an arbitrary and false binary that harms more people than it helps. It stops women from being able to achieve the same as men, and it stops men from being able to express things for fear of being seen as 'more like women'. Which is pretty damned harmful and offensive all round.