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#551
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So, what's wrong here? Biowriters are playing gender role game against the rest of the gaming world by overcompensation (kind of, if at all, now that I think about it, no, not even that). I, as a straight male, don't mind and even approve of this movement! 

 

*In Kirrahe's big speech voice*  "For the decades of oppression, let the male scum pay!"  :lol:

 

I personally don't feel there's a " movement " to compensate anything or history. They have simply stories to tell and women are entirely a part of them. I like how people always find new ways to be offended for something on this forum. Bioware simply gave a good representation of women in their games and that's it. Female characters aren't just victims or innocents or useless in the plot. We have also strong characters, we have antagonists, we have female characters competent or in a powerful position, we have random captains or soldiers as npcs, as it is the case for male characters in DA.

 

People are intellectually dishonest if they aren't able to find strong male charaters, male who are good guys, or competent. For me, in DAI, Cullen, Dorian, Iron Bull and Solas are competent. And let's not forget that an opinion is hardly a fact, and that in the end it's a matter of perspective and that's why it's not easy to listen to those subjective statements given " as objective facts ". I don't think at all that Alistair was incompetent as a king, or necessarily more than Anora. I like him hardened and he does seem to be a good ruler. When I read in a post yesterday that the Chevalier Gregoire from DAO in the other thread was supposed to be an incompetent as another example of male = incompetent, I rolled my eyes and stopped reading the thread. Gregoire for me is everything but incompetent. :rolleyes:  For every poster thinking that Loghain was a ridiculous jerk, a traitor incompetent, there is another one who thinks that he was a patriot, a good soldier and a competent ruler. Also not everyone prefer Celene over Gaspard, it is very far from the truth. I always choose Gaspard over Celene, and i am not able to choose Celene in any of my playthrough. 

 

The chantry is a matriarchy, so it makes sense that male characters into this organization are less relevant with their roles. If a game tells me that women are those who rule the world and that mens struggle to find their place in the universe of another game, then it is totally okay that I see almost always female characters in powerful positions. Because it is totally coherent with the universe. I actually like when a world respects its lore. I'd be pissed off, if a male character could be suddenly elected as the new divine in Orlais for example. In Tevinter that makes sense, not in the south. 

 

When I look at Petrice and Meredith, they don't appear at all better than Loghain. As characters first, but also as antagonists. Those female characters can been seen as jerks, stupid, and doing horrible stuff. We can kill them. If there was any agenda to absolutely picture women in a better light than men, well it pretty much failed there, lol. Like I said, Bioware decided that they were entirely a part of this world like male characters.

 

As for samson vs Calpernia. Yes, I do admit that the latter is much better to me, but it is more the result of the templar path being better developped to me than the mage path, and that has nothing to do with any agenda to put a female character in a better light than a male character. People are overreacting over nothing, and play too much with their imagination. I have listened to Samson during his judgements and he has pretty much his motivations too, like Calpernia. I understood what he felt, so again not everyone thought the same. 

 

Anyway, this topic is a joke, and I am uncertain why it isn't locked yet. Nothing productive could come from this.


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The sweeping generalizations at my gender's expense for a small vocal minority makes me a sad panda.


 

 

 

If it makes you feel any better, I love men! :D

 

Not the few who are buttholes, but I do get along with the vast majority of them and they're good blokes overall. I've gamed across PC, XBox, and PSN with an open mic and everything, so there's been no hiding my gender, and I've been treated very well. Have actually not had any bad harassment or negative gaming experiences. Which, unfortunately, I know some women have... but maybe my one little example in a sea of personal examples shows things aren't all bad?

 

We had a female made publisher of our local paper last year. Prior to that, it had only been men going back into the 1800's. When she was made publisher, nobody blinked an eye or made a big deal out of it. Nothing here at work changed. It was just business as usual, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Would be nice if things could be more like that.

 

The only thing I find vaguely amusing/somewhat confusing about posts like the OP's is this: there are complaints about too many women. But I also see some guys complain about "too many dudes i.e. this place/game/whatever is a sausagefest". So... suddenly more women and that's not a good thing?  :huh: Or is the hang-up some are having solely because lots of women having power is viewed as a bad thing? Because that's what it starts feeling like, to be honest.



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If it makes you feel any better, I love men! :D

 

Not the few who are buttholes, but I do get along with the vast majority of them and they're good blokes overall. I've gamed across PC, XBox, and PSN with an open mic and everything, so there's been no hiding my gender, and I've been treated very well. Have actually not had any bad harassment or negative gaming experiences. Which, unfortunately, I know some women have... but maybe my one little example in a sea of personal examples shows things aren't all bad?

 

We had a female made publisher of our local paper last year. Prior to that, it had only been men going back into the 1800's. When she was made publisher, nobody blinked an eye or made a big deal out of it. Nothing here at work changed. It was just business as usual, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Would be nice if things could be more like that.

 

The only thing I find vaguely amusing/somewhat confusing about posts like the OP's is this: there are complaints about too many women. But I also see some guys complain about "too many dudes i.e. this place/game/whatever is a sausagefest". So... suddenly more women and that's not a good thing?  :huh: Or is the hang-up some are having solely because lots of women having power is viewed as a bad thing? Because that's what it starts feeling like, to be honest.

 

I don't try and understand people like that. It's like that quote from Caesar in Fallout New Vegas.

 

"If you think it's worthwhile to make smart people learn how to talk like backward savages, you're a Follower of the Apocalypse... or an idiot."

 

Granted, I'm certainly no SJW, and I do dislike pandering for the sake of making political statements or being preachy when all I'm trying to do is play a ****** game.

 

But like I said earlier, this isn't it. Dragon Age from the beginning gave females big roles and made them influential in the game. Loghain's commander was female, Anora wears the pants in that relationship, as does Morrigan in yours, lol. Look at Branka. Boss ****** indeed.

 

If people like the op didn't smell the clamfest from the first game, they must've chopped their brother in half with a machete and gone noseblind. Kudos to anyone that gets the reference, lol.

 

I could see if this was some sudden new occurrence in the game, but it's not.



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Hmm. First melonfest, then oysterfest... and now clamfest.

Informative thread :D

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Yes, those Amazons.

And they were covered in my Ancient Greek classes.

As for the modern women throwing spears and shooting bows for sport: it's for sport. It's not a matter of life and death, as it were for the Amazons.

So you're talking about the Amazons from those old legends - those who cut off their breast in the greek mythology and well, don't forget the Minotaur and the Hydra and Herakles, Antigone and so on - wait, didn't the ancient greek art show them with clothes that left the right breast bare, ha, must have been a left handed female warrior. Or maybe the Scythians? As far as I know, this ancient folk had some female warriors but no legends of crippled breasts. And well, this funny thing called realism. It is something we can discuss endlessly - especially in a fantasy RPG - so, where is my next dragon... have to kill it with my flatiron, don't want to lose a breast... :D



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Hmm. First melonfest, then oysterfest... and now clamfest.

Informative thread :D

It all sounds delicious to me, lol

 

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I concur, but even if there is an agenda I don't consider it inherently a bad thing.

 

And yeah, the thread ceased to be fun, it's already run its course.



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Don't touch them. Don't even get close to them. They have cooties

 

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I will never be able to look at that emoticon in the same way again...   :ph34r:

 

It all sounds delicious to me, lol

 

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So... Impressed this topic hasn't been closed yet. I read it up to page 8, crying from laughter, I'm just wondering... Does the OP invoke ji'had on us and call western women soulless infidels at any point? :D He sure does sound like the kind of a trolly religious fanatic to do so. :P



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So... Impressed this topic hasn't been closed yet. I read it up to page 8, crying from laughter, I'm just wondering... Does the OP invoke ji'had on us and call western women soulless infidels at any point? :D He sure does sound like the kind of a trolly religious fanatic to do so. :P

 

Nah. Every so often, someone tries to be trollish, but then people talk about cupcakes or comic books. Occasionally someone engages, but then it's back to food and entertainment. 



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Off topic (sort of). I’ve lost count of all the times I've rolled Sera (love her banter), Cass (because Cass), and Viv (Knight-Enchanters' are OP), in the party with my fem Inquisitor and didn't even realize they were all women until much later when I randomly contemplate their portraits or something.

Testament to the game, really, it's not shoving gender in your face every five seconds. You're free to appreciate the characters as people and the story as an organic set of events without the typical save this one because its female and kill this one because its attacking the female mentality.

Kudos Bioware.
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#563
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I think people dismissing the OP because they don't agree with his/her comments or those who try to derail the topic by posting cookie recipes should have their posts removed as trolling. Seriously, if you can't have a serious discussion, don't post in the topic! Mods need to do their work. It's not okay to troll (which isn't the case here) but it's okay to troll the troll?

 

I honestly noticed this as well. There might be more male characters in your companions but that's it. There are a disproprotionate amount of women holding power compared to men, or women characters who are more fleshed-out than men. When I say holding power, I mean when you come across groups of people, of troups, or whatever, the majority of the times, the leader will be a woman. When I say fleshed-out, I mean that have more dialogue or are more developed. Here are just some examples:

 

Harding

Celene

Briala

Dagna

the woman who gives you requisitions

Commander Jehen in Citadelle du Corbeau in the Exalted Plains

the woman you meet if you choose the mountain path in the intro

All the Chantry women (Divine Justinia, Mother Giselle, etc.)

Sergeant Merseault in Fort Revesan

All the dragons which seem to all be female

 

And this doesn't include any of the codex entries about women in power, which were quite numerous. Not to mention the strong focus on Andrasté and the female elvan gods.

 

I too felt that Bioware was being a little too politically correct by having so many women in power. I definitely would say the game was about 70/30 or 65/35 in favor of female characters. The argument that in real life, women in the middle ages didn't tend to have positions of power is a valid one, because men are generally bigger and physically stronger and thus it is understandable why more men were in positions of power. That fact has not changed in the DA universe. A few strong females in the DA universe wouldn't bother me, but when it's made to seem like the DA universe is female dominated, you can't stop but ask what Bioware was trying to accomplish. Give women the impression of being empowered? Be politically correct or "progressive" or whatever?

 

I also had a problem with the overdose of lesbianism and female bisexuality, but that will be the subject of its own topic once I can go through the game again and note down all pertinent examples.

Because men being in authority positions is the default expectation, and a fictionalized world where men aren't is being "politically correct"? The fact that people consider this a problem speaks volumes about how deeply entrenched patriarchal notions of gender roles are in the fantasy market. It's a well-told universe that just happens to have women in authority positions. It's not defined by that. But of course, a fictionalized world with magic, elves, dwarves, and other make-believe races has to have men at the helm of everything.


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Because men being in authority positions is the default expectation, and a fictionalized world where men aren't is being "politically correct"? The fact that people consider this a problem speaks volumes about how deeply entrenched patriarchal notions of gender roles are in the fantasy market. It's a well-told universe that just happens to have women in authority positions. It's not defined by that. But of course, a fictionalized world with magic, elves, dwarves, and other make-believe races has to have men at the helm of everything.

 

shhh no if it isn't like everything else they're trying too hard to be politically correct. 


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So much dumb in this thread "the female characters ain't weak & subservient to male leaders? EAware are destroying this games (that involves dragons & magic) realism just to be politically correct by pandering to the feminist agenda" :rolleyes:
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that many an i still fail with them all, to fracking realistic this game :P



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So much dumb in this thread "the female characters ain't weak & subservient to male leaders? EAware are destroying this games (that involves dragons & magic) realism just to be politically correct by pandering to the feminist agenda" :rolleyes:

 

I am going to break character for just a moment to issue a general complaint along these lines. Over the past ten years, women who've been complaining about a lack of strong female roles have been told, over and over again, "Go make yer own!" Well, despite BioWare and Dragon Age being helmed by dudes, this is pretty much what we've been asking for. And now we get told. 'Yer doing it wrong!' again. 

 

Nope. 

 

The game we wanted got made. If you don't like it... go make your own! 


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Hmm. First melonfest, then oysterfest... and now clamfest.

Informative thread :D

 

I prefer "taco party" myself. ;)


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I prefer "taco party" myself. ;)


That's actually... not terrible.

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Well, since I already get to translate this whole recipe for TeraBat, let's put it here.

 

Oat-Raisin-Cranberries Cookies

 

Ingredients:

  • 80 gr flour (normal, complete, your pick)
  • 160 gr oatmeal (not the instant ones)
  • 80 gr raisins, cranberries, or whatever you want (choco chip & nuts work well too!)
  • 6 gr chemical leavening (I don't know what it is in English... it's Levure Chimique in French)
  • ½ teaspoon of salt (optional, I don't use it)
  • 85 gr unsalted butter (or salted ones but don't add extra salt)
  • 100 gr brown sugar
  • 50 gr sugar
  • 1 egg

Method :

  1. Bowl (a), mix flour, oatmeal, raisins/Cranberries, chemical leavening, salt
  2. Bowl ( B), sugar & butter, mixed. Then add the egg
  3. Add bowl (a) to ( B), mix with spatula (never with kitchen aid or electrical mixer)
  4. Put at least 1h in the fridge. Then make small balls around 2 cm diameter & another 1h in the fridge
  5. Oven preheated at 170 °C.
  6. Bake for 10 minutes. I use aluminium baking tray with sulfurized paper (papier sulfurisé, dunno what you call it in English). If you don't want to take risk do it 8 min + 2 min (depends a lot on the oven actually).

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Anyway, this topic is a joke, and I am uncertain why it isn't locked yet. Nothing productive could come from this.

 

We've gotten some excellent cupcake and cookie recipes. Maybe we'll get some more.



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Because men being in authority positions is the default expectation, and a fictionalized world where men aren't is being "politically correct"? The fact that people consider this a problem speaks volumes about how deeply entrenched patriarchal notions of gender roles are in the fantasy market. It's a well-told universe that just happens to have women in authority positions. It's not defined by that. But of course, a fictionalized world with magic, elves, dwarves, and other make-believe races has to have men at the helm of everything.

 

^This.

 

Also I find it pretty ridiculous people still argue about feminism, sexism and whatnot. Tbh entire western world IS feministic by default. Think about it - if Europe, both Americas, Australia and some pretty big Asian and African countries weren't at core feministic, women indeed wouldn't be foremost respected and been able to do pretty much everything they want. Just sayin'.


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Still no lockdown? Man, if priestly were still here..this would not have lasted one page..



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I love this title



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^This.

 

Also I find it pretty ridiculous people still argue about feminism, sexism and whatnot. Tbh entire western world IS feministic by default. Think about it - if Europe, both Americas, Australia and some pretty big Asian and African countries weren't at core feministic, women indeed wouldn't be foremost respected and been able to do pretty much everything they want. Just sayin'.

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