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[Tielis]

Y'know, I like Fiona on the whole, but yeah, I wish she'd at least gotten some degree of punishment or been forced to make up for her actions. It did seem weird that we weren't called upon to Sit in Judgement of her when in Skyhold, when some of the people we judge do far less and get far worse punishments?

 

Even if it was something like that punishment you can give to the mayor from Emprise du Lion, where you force her to pay back and rebuild the town with her ill-gotten money, it would have made more sense to have Fiona called upon to aid in the rebuilding of Redcliffe or make some kind of recompense to Arl Teagan?

 

Unlike with Ser Barris in the Templar-side, recruiting the Mages and Fiona gives her precious little to do afterwards?

 

 

Fiona is Mr. Gaider's pet.  'nuff said

[In Exile]

I think siding with the mages works far better story wise. It makes Corypheus an imposing foe. If you side with the Templars he looks inept.

[TheJediSaint]

Writer's pets aren't bad in and of themselves. Fiona is just too much of a damn Scrappy. Alistair is a writer's pet, and while he's not exactly everyone's cup of coffee he has just enough charm to make his detractors grudgingly like him. Fiona people just hated and the more we hated the thicker her plot armor got until DA:I.

What's funny is that it seems only people who hate Fiona talk about her.  

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Because she's so hateable.

 

She's more hateable than the primary villain TBH.

[Precursor Meta]

The templar run is just better put together and was really good. I'm happy I choose it on my first play through.

The mage run just didn't seem that interesting. And it contained the bain of all plots...time travel (gasp)! And I hate time travel plots.

[Gunslinger01101]

I think siding with the mages works far better story wise. It makes Corypheus an imposing foe. If you side with the Templars he looks inept.

Right? But it's also the most strategically sound choice for your inquisitor to make. It would be like if in SC2, you were told "Pick an army of 10 marines, or 10 zerglings, and whatever you pick, you have to fight the other one." You pick. The. Marines. Hard counters are a b****.

 

I should also clarify for everyone that I went to the templars before my quiz knew anything about time magic. Just knew about vints in Redcliffe, and said PEACE OUT! Ima go get some armored anti-mage dudes before I start up this here show.

[Mystical Mirage]

Really, the only thing I knew about Fiona before hand was that she was in a few books.  She doesn't really bug me that much.  Knew about most of her past as well.  It is rather silly that she does nothing but hang out in that one spot and gives you advice once in a while.  I mean, well, okay.  Don't you do something important?

[Akkos]

What's funny is that it seems only people who hate Fiona talk about her.  

 

Knowing she is Alistair's mother, made me want to like her. But after falling so low for a magister and she started this chaos rebellion...... Ughh....Disgusting pest.

[Gunslinger01101]

Knowing she is Alistair's mother, made me want to like her. But after falling so low for a magister and she started this chaos rebellion...... Ughh....Disgusting pest.

Wait, WTF?! How do we know that?!

[Big I]

Wait, WTF?! How do we know that?!

 

Devs said in an interview. She alludes to it in Skyhold in conversation if Alistair turns up at Redcliffe or is Hawke's warden ally.

 

On the main topic, I think it makes most sense to recruit the mages. Firstly, to stop the evil time traveling magister (who I later condemn to work for me as a magical researcher). Secondly, because it's not even certain ahead of time the templars can help stop the Breach; the only one who seems to think so is Cullen.

[Koranis]

There is another reason for going with the templars:

 

You must go back to Haven to get the next stage of negotiations with Alexius.  Just say you decided to grab some Templar strength to take with you to Redcliffe.  So, you go to Therinfall, defeat envy, and then intend to attack Redcliffe.

 

Oops, too late, Cory marched them to your doorstep a day early  

 

That's what I did.  I will spend the rest of the game trying to free any mages from the grips of the Venatori and the Imperium.

[KaiserShep]

I went to the mages.. It's just that I got creeped out by Alexius. lol. And then when you leave, Cass is like.. "Uh yeah..this is messed up.. lets go to the Templars." And then I look at the Quest log.. "Champions of the Just". Has a nice ring to it. I want to help the poor bastards.

The problem with Cassandra's advice is that she will insist on going to the Templars instead because of how distasteful the whole affair is in Redcliffe, but then at the War Table will argue with Cullen alongside Leliana that the Tevinter mages are a foreign power that pose a threat, and shouldn't be allowed to continue to operate within Ferelden, should you select In Hushed Whispers on the map.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Not that scene. The scene I'm saying is where one of the Rebel Mages complains to Cassandra. It's happening after you recruit or conscript the Rebel Mages into the Inquisition, and it's always happens even if you forge full alliance with them.

 

I'm guessing it must be specific to the Cassandra romance, because I've never seen that scene before now.

[nyyfandan]

Anyone else feel almost obligated to side with whichever side you fought with in DA2? or is that just me

[Gunslinger01101]

Devs said in an interview. She alludes to it in Skyhold in conversation if Alistair turns up at Redcliffe or is Hawke's warden ally.

 

On the main topic, I think it makes most sense to recruit the mages. Firstly, to stop the evil time traveling magister (who I later condemn to work for me as a magical researcher). Secondly, because it's not even certain ahead of time the templars can help stop the Breach; the only one who seems to think so is Cullen.

You don't know about the time traveling magister ahead of time. The choice you are presented with is find out whats weird with the templars, or find out whats weird with the mages. It gets worse if you go to redcliffe first, as you are morally certain you will have to fight some mages, i.e. the tevinter ones that took over. At that point the only logical and tactically sound choice is to go fetch the templars. Particularly when you know tevinter mages aren't used to fighting templar with REAL magic disruption ability. As to templars being able to help with the breach, its magic, they disrupt magic, that's about as much as or more reason than you have to think the ragtag group of random mages will know anything about anything.

[leaguer of one]

Also Alexius's magic isn't as dangerous as its made out to be, in order for it to be a legitimate threat to the Inquisition you have to knowingly walk into a trap

And you're going to let him develop it more and an army from another notion at his back so close to the inquisition?

[leaguer of one]

You don't know about the time traveling magister ahead of time. The choice you are presented with is find out whats weird with the templars, or find out whats weird with the mages. It gets worse if you go to redcliffe first, as you are morally certain you will have to fight some mages, i.e. the tevinter ones that took over. At that point the only logical and tactically sound choice is to go fetch the templars. Particularly when you know tevinter mages aren't used to fighting templar with REAL magic disruption ability. As to templars being able to help with the breach, its magic, they disrupt magic, that's about as much as or more reason than you have to think the ragtag group of random mages will know anything about anything.

you find out the guy manipulates time the first time you go to red cliff castle.

[Addai]

I think it makes more sense that you need mages to project force into the Breach. Cassandra even says so. The idea that templars have the same kind of power... nah. Templars are an army, you need an arcane force.
 

I think siding with the mages works far better story wise. It makes Corypheus an imposing foe. If you side with the Templars he looks inept.

How so?
 

I'm guessing it must be specific to the Cassandra romance, because I've never seen that scene before now.

This is the "Deal. with. it." conversation? Not romance specific. It happens after In Hushed Whispers when you talk to Cassandra in Haven.
 

Another reason I can't stand siding with the Mages. Having to pay for their mistakes instead of Fiona getting off her ass and doing it.

Teagan losing control of his arling, doing jack all to stop the fighting there or help his people, then expecting the Inquisition to fix it is pretty weak. He obviously got fat and soft serving as ambassador to Orlais.

[LobselVith8]

I'm guessing it must be specific to the Cassandra romance, because I've never seen that scene before now.

 

A mage or a templar will be complaining about the current conditions there to Cassandra, depending on who you sided with.

[Steelcan]

I think it makes more sense that you need mages to project force into the Breach. Cassandra even says so. The idea that templars have the same kind of power... nah. Templars are an army, you need an arcane force.
 

The way I see it you can either add power to the Inquisitor to match the original power that created the Breach as Cassandra explains

 

or with the templars suppress the Breach making it possible for the Inquisitor to close alone

[guntar74]

I prefer the Templar path. Mission was better I thought, and I get to get rid of Fiona that way. Figure any remaining mages after that will be more accepting without her forcing them into a rebellion not all of them wanted.

Plus on the mage quest they all appear so weak and helpless and unable to think for themselves. While the templars left fight with you during theirs.

[Ryzaki]

I think it makes more sense that you need mages to project force into the Breach. Cassandra even says so. The idea that templars have the same kind of power... nah. Templars are an army, you need an arcane force.

 

That's not what cass says.

 

Cass says they could supercharge the mark so it's stronger so you can then close the breach. Which strikes me as a risky thing to do. There's no telling how the Quizzy's body will react to that much magic being shoved into the mark.

 

Plus mages + veil tears tend to be bad. It makes far more sense to have the templars people trained to fight demons and aren't especially vulnerable to veil tears to work with the Inquisition than mages a group of people vulnerable to demons and veil tears.

 

But in the end both methods work so *shrug*

[Gunslinger01101]

you find out the guy manipulates time the first time you go to red cliff castle.

I think you find out there's no way he got there that fast, I don't recall knowing about time magic outright until the mission starts.