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[leaguer of one]

"Come to the Chantry. You are in danger."

/looks at who gave him/her the note

"No I'm not."

/goes back to Haven 

Dumb idea.

[leaguer of one]

I think you find out there's no way he got there that fast, I don't recall knowing about time magic outright until the mission starts.

Wrong,when you first go to red cliff village you see time distortion effect. You see them again when you meet Dorian during the fight with the demons.

[TOply]

Having never read any of the novels or played DA2, I got to agree that the narrative was really pushing you towards the Mage questline. You get the intro quest before you commit AND you were invited vs. the Templars where the only real introduction was Lucius acting like an arrogant sod, plus the only advisor supporting the Templars was Cullen, and he sort of came across as being prejudicial towards the mages due to his Templar past.

I do like the Templar questline better though (barring the timed section) and it does help flesh out Cole a lot more for people who have no idea who he is before the game. He just shows up if you support the mages and you don't know him from Adam; at least you've met Dorian before, assuming you did the Redcliffe quest before committing to the Templars. And yes, I also found Ser Barris to be way better than Fiona; all she does is stand around the library twiddling her thumbs. Oh, and the no-name mage whining to Cass needs a good smack; I wish I could throw him and the uppity skank in Redcliffe tavern into the dungeons.

[HandofPalpatine]

I vaguely recall that Teagan had gone off to Denerim to petition the crown for help in retaking Redcliffe, so there is that for the mages. So, I suppose you could headcanon it that because by the time you get return with Inquisition forces, there may already be Fereldan forces there to take care of the problem or it could be resolved. 

[leaguer of one]

I vaguely recall that Teagan had gone off to Denerim to petition the crown for help in retaking Redcliffe, so there is that for the mages. So, I suppose you could headcanon it that because by the time you get return with Inquisition forces, there may already be Fereldan forces there to take care of the problem or it could be resolved. 

You seriously think they can handle time magic?

[LaughingBanana]

I now mainly go for Templar because time travel is stupid.

 

Also, Fiona is stupid.

 

So yeah.

[goofyomnivore]

My first playthrough I went with the mage quest, because a. I was a mage b. I'm bias towards mages. c. I want more mage freedom

 

I felt like garbage afterwards tho, and I never felt throughout the rest of my first playthrough I made the right choice on that. Everyone in the Inqusiition was railing on me too about allying with the mages, and I was thinking to myself "yeah, my bad you're right". Fiona does absolutely nothing to make me believe she is a competent leader.

 

The rebel mages are pretty much the worst representation of free mages I can imagine. Fiona would of fit in quite nicely at Kirkwall and with the cesspool of idiots who live there. Maybe if we were lucky Meredith would of made her tranquil. She somehow made this thought cross my mind: "I bet Anders wouldn't of messed up this badly".

 

So I go Templar, and conscript the Templars into the Inquisition. I pretty much get the remaining mages under my control by default with this choice. Calpernia is way more interesting that Samson as well.

 

I would like to support rebel mages and mage freedom, but not Fiona led rebel mages. I'll take my Templars and figure out the mage problem later with the Templars under my order.

 

Plus I don't really want a bunch of random mages pouring energy into me when the potential alternative is having Templars just suppress the breach. 

[Twilight_Princess]

There is another reason for going with the templars:

 

You must go back to Haven to get the next stage of negotiations with Alexius.  Just say you decided to grab some Templar strength to take with you to Redcliffe.  So, you go to Therinfall, defeat envy, and then intend to attack Redcliffe.

 

Oops, too late, Cory marched them to your doorstep a day early

 

That's what I did.  I will spend the rest of the game trying to free any mages from the grips of the Venatori and the Imperium.

 

This is how I made the templar decision make sense for a Quizzy that would want to help the mages too. It's powerful magic she's up against, what better reason is there to get templar aid first? And since she is a noble mage, she assumed all it would take to go up against one as*hole seeker was the support of other nobles (whoops!). A quick rally and boom, army of templars to help free the mages, too bad it didn't work out.

[Helios969]

Yep, Templars.  Just a more fascinating track to the story.  Ser Barris is what Templars are supposed to represent.  Calpernia is a much more interesting and understandable enemy than Samson and I really appreciate you can reason with her by proving Cory's intent and letting her go free.  Like many others showing up in Red Cliff and Fiona telling you they've allied with Tevinter just rubbed me the wrong way.  Well, good luck with that.

 

But really the whole Envy demon trying to trap you and take control of your mind was simply epic.  It was fascinating and tense.  I felt this sense of urgency to keep moving lest I really end up trapped.  Then to escape and have to run feverishly around saving Templar Commanders while Ser Barris defended main hall upped the tension further.  Reasonably good boss fight with Envy too.

 

Time travel thing was like been there, done that...and not done especially well.  Dorian is pretty awesome though.  Still do not understand why Leliana looks like she's aged 20 years or been infected with some parasite...found it detracted from the story.  It does do a better job of establishing "Elder Ones'" next moves with regard to demon army and assassination of Celene.  I found the Alexius fight pretty dull.

 

Either way I go I offer a full partnership since unity is a central ideal for my playthroughs.  Like others I was disturbed by Fiona's nonchalant comment about "doing it all over again."  I would have at least liked a chance to admonish her for that comment.  To be honest I think she was just poorly written.  I find it wholly unbelievable that someone who was once a Grey Warden and a long time mage leader could act so incompetently.  So that one I'm putting on the writers.  I find it even more unbelievable that in Red Cliff after talking to many mages who obviously are not keen on the alliance that I couldn't simply stand in the middle of the square and announce amnesty to any mage willing to leave with me then and there.  I mean if my leader just signed me up for 10 years of slavery I'd be like "F-U, I'm outta here."

[nightscrawl]

Y'know, I said the same thing a while ago, both Cole and Dorian's intro's really suffer depending on who you side with.

 

Dorian gets a great intro in the Mage storyline because you get to know him and his personality with the Time travel plot, but with the Templars, you basically have to trust the word of someone who shows up and claims to be the one good Tevinter Mage in a sea of really bad ones who are about to kick your door down?

 

As with Cole, you get to know him during the Templar quest, whereas if you side with the Mages, you have this random, strange kid briefly show up to warn you, then Corypheus, his army and his pet "Archdemon" quickly take your attention for the next half an hour and you only really remember he exists when you get to Skyhold.

 

Despite the disapproval from Dorian if you go this route -- and geez, just kill a couple Venatori and forget about it -- I think it's better to go to Redcliffe, meet with Alexius, and then choose the templars. You get to meet Felix and Dorian, who both come across very well as good Tevinter types so when Dorian shows up at the front gates it isn't just this random appearance as it is with Cole if you pick the mages.

 

Some players skip the Redcliffe meeting altogether, but without this there is far more reason to distrust Dorian initially. If you are extremely cynical you could very well think the whole thing is a ruse to plant a Venatori agent within the Inquisition. There is actually an option to suggest this during his Skyhold recruitment dialog if you choose the templar path.

 

I think Cole suffers a bit more with the mage path than does Dorian with the templar path. Not only do you at least have the option of meeting Dorian, which Cole is lacking, but you can also have Dorian tell you most of his history with both Alexius and Felix, whereas with Cole it's actually better to see him do his Cole thing and get that whole experience.

 

That said, I do think that the best path for the Dorian romance is the mage path. You get the time in the future with him; you see more of the interaction between Dorian, Alexius, and Felix, making the subsequent Felix dialog more meaningful; and there is a closeness that comes from the fact that Dorian is the ONLY follower who went through that whole ordeal with you. And the mage path recruitment line of "There's no one I would rather be stranded in time with," is such a winner XD. Also, Dorian's romance is quite fast paced, so having that initial connection helps to strengthen the trust that he puts in the Inquisitor.

 

[This is not to say that the templar path Dorian romance is bad or anything -- I'm doing a play right now -- but I just think the mage version turns out better from an RP perspective.]

[Addai]

Yep, Templars.  Just a more fascinating track to the story.  Ser Barris is what Templars are supposed to represent.  Calpernia is a much more interesting and understandable enemy than Samson and I really appreciate you can reason with her by proving Cory's intent and letting her go free.  Like many others showing up in Red Cliff and Fiona telling you they've allied with Tevinter just rubbed me the wrong way.  Well, good luck with that.
 
But really the whole Envy demon trying to trap you and take control of your mind was simply epic.  It was fascinating and tense.  I felt this sense of urgency to keep moving lest I really end up trapped.  Then to escape and have to run feverishly around saving Templar Commanders while Ser Barris defended main hall upped the tension further.  Reasonably good boss fight with Envy too.
 
Time travel thing was like been there, done that...and not done especially well.  Dorian is pretty awesome though.  Still do not understand why Leliana looks like she's aged 20 years or been infected with some parasite...found it detracted from the story.  It does do a better job of establishing "Elder Ones'" next moves with regard to demon army and assassination of Celene.  I found the Alexius fight pretty dull.

They were growing Blight disease in her body. You find a codex about it in the castle.

I didn't think the templar quest line was that interesting compared to the mage quest line. Being trapped in the Fade by a demon is something we've literally done before, a few times over. I did like more Cole, but that was about it. I really have no idea why people think Ser Barris is that big a deal. Calpernia > Samson, though. However, on the mage side I did want to just say "nope, this alliance is a dumb idea, you're mine now" and round up all the mages who were willing to go with me.

[TOply]

I just felt that Ser Barris was a bit more fleshed out as a character than Fiona during the actual questline and after. During the quest, you interact with Barris much more than Fiona, who you see twice and both times, she just comes across as weak and ineffectual. And after, you get to see Barris doing stuff via wartable missions and eventually being elevated to commander of the Templars vs. Fiona's standing around the library.

 

Plus, Fiona just seemed like such a push-over after her initial meeting at Val Royeaux. There, she seemed a much more strong-willed character but after, she just became this indecisive weepy weak-willed thing.

[Korva]

I really have no idea why people think Ser Barris is that big a deal.

 

For me it's the fact that I really appreciate seeing what a templar can and should be. He provides a voice and face that is otherwise missing -- we meet mages of all stripes and even have a few as companions, we hear a lot about templars as villains, we have an ex-templar advisor, but without Barris, we lack a positive example of a devoted, actual, active member of the order. He's sadly only a minor character, but I'm glad for what he represents, anyway.

[Gunslinger01101]

Wrong,when you first go to red cliff village you see time distortion effect. You see them again when you meet Dorian during the fight with the demons.

Wait, I remember this now. After the demon fight outside redcliffe, I remember someone saying something about a distortion and having no clue what they were talking about. What was the effect? I've missed it now on 2 playthroughs.

[Urazz]

Storywise, it makes more sense to go after the mages since it seems like Fiona actually wants to have the mages help you close the breach over the templars which had a leader that was acting like a dick towards the Inquisition.  After you go to Redcliff and find out that Alexius is playing with time magic and that it could really mess things up if he is allowed to continue, then it makes even more sense to go after the mages.

 

The templar path is more fun and better for gameplay I think (more stats) but it really felt like it was less important than what was happening to the mages at first glance.  I can only see picking the templars over the mages if you don't go to Redcliff when Fiona invites you and if you don't discover what Alexius is doing.  You'd also have to find the Lord Seeker Lucius' behavior suspicious enough to investigate over getting a willing ally to close the breach which I did not as I was more focused on getting the breach closed.

[MisterJB]

"Come to the Chantry. You are in danger."

/looks at who gave him/her the note

"No I'm not."

/goes back to Haven 

 

No sh*t we're in danger. There's a force from Tevinter ocuppying a city in Ferelden.
 

[Milan92]

No sh*t we're in danger. There's a force from Tevinter ocuppying a city in Ferelden.
 

 

Allegedly ocuppying!

[Br3admax]

I just felt that Ser Barris was a bit more fleshed out as a character than Fiona during the actual questline and after. During the quest, you interact with Barris much more than Fiona, who you see twice and both times, she just comes across as weak and ineffectual. And after, you get to see Barris doing stuff via wartable missions and eventually being elevated to commander of the Templars vs. Fiona's standing around the library.

"Andraste mark me. I'll avenge every good Knight that died at Therinfal."

 

And Fiona? I'm sure she's enjoying the library. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

No sh*t we're in danger. There's a force from Tevinter ocuppying a city in Ferelden.
 

 

The venatori aren't occupying any Ferelden city.

 

Spoiler

Redcliff is a village + castle! 

"Andraste mark me. I'll avenge every good Knight that died at Therinfal."

 

And Fiona? I'm sure she's enjoying the library. 

 

Why save the world when you can let other heroes do it for you?

[TOply]

Wait, I remember this now. After the demon fight outside redcliffe, I remember someone saying something about a distortion and having no clue what they were talking about. What was the effect? I've missed it now on 2 playthroughs.

 

I think and I could be wrong here, there's like a 1-2 second freeze when you fight them? Or it could have just been lag =p

[Lady Luminous]

Another reason I like the templar run is that you definitively know that there is a plot to assassinate Celene.

 

Why should I trust what I see in some madman's future? Isn't it always said about being able to see forward that the path you end up on is only one of many possible paths? It all depends on the choices that people make. 

 

Just because there's a future where Celene has been assassinated, doesn't mean that there's a plot to kill her in my reality. 

[Bigdoser]

Another reason I like the templar run is that you definitively know that there is a plot to assassinate Celene.

 

Why should I trust what I see in some madman's future? Isn't it always said about being able to see forward that the path you end up on is only one of many possible paths? It all depends on the choices that people make. 

 

Just because there's a future where Celene has been assassinated, doesn't mean that there's a plot to kill her in my reality. 

Er considering they state that's one of the things that enabled the elder one to take control of southern thedas. It would be silly not to take it seriously because IT IS a possible future. Hence why leliana started investigating clues to these events when you came back. 

[Ryzaki]

Yeah the time travel thing makes the mage route pretty unplayable to me.

 

There's only a few ways I tolerate time travel and the way BW did it is not one of them.

[SnakeCode]

I always side with the templars because I can't abide letting Fiona live. I sided with the mages In my opening playthrough and terrible time travel plot aside, seeing Fiona in the library/tower was a constant reminder that I'd made the wrong choice.

[Bigdoser]

Yeah the time travel thing makes the mage route pretty unplayable to me.

 

There's only a few ways I tolerate time travel and the way BW did it is not one of them.

I personally enjoyed it the future Arc was a great role play moment for my Qunari in my opinion compared to the templar one. Plus don't get the Fiona hate and I know of her from the books I read them. 

 

Still don't understand it. 

 

Well everyone has different opinions and likes different things.