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[Master Warder Z_]

Well the forum's would have been truly aflame, being railroaded into that awful candidancy.

It really shouldn't have been any of our business.

[Lulupab]

You *did not* just use Veteran as a smack down. I could not possibly have seen that.... 0.0

 

It was not a smack down. They deserve their rest after their service. But their bias towards military is a part of many scars they get from battlefield.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I didn't personally like her either, but I don't think the Inquisitor should have had any hand in choosing the next Divine. I honestly don't like any of the candidates that we are offered to place on the throne.

 

Why not? The Inquisition was powerful and influential. It was inevitable for their will to carry some weight with the Chantry.

 

I rather liked how it was handled: tied to your choices as an indirect consequence, not one of the many decisions where others blindly yield it to you.

[wright1978]

It really shouldn't have been any of our business.

 

Of course it was our business, given how entwined it was with the story of the inquisition. Having an influence on who ended up replacing Justinia was the minimum amount of choice i'd expect.

[Master Warder Z_]

Of course it was our business.

When did the Inquisition become aligned with the Chantry?

When did it ask for it's help in selecting a new Divine?

[errantknight]

It was not a smack down. They deserve their rest after their service. But their bias towards military is a part of many scars they get from battlefield.

An opinion isn't necessarily a bias unless one sees it in a way that presupposes that anyone with that view *must* be biased, which is a bias in and of itself.

[errantknight]

When did the Inquisition become aligned with the Chantry?

When did it ask for it's help in selecting a new Divine?

The entire game is us building influence. We chat up chantry members to get them to take our side, we put people in power who support us and remove people from power who don't. We reward and punish based on what we want and what we approve of. It doesn't matter what we *ask* for. People are going to be influenced by what we do and say.

[Lulupab]

An opinion isn't necessarily a bias unless one sees it in a way that presupposes that anyone with that view *must* be biased, which is a bias in and of itself.

 

Its not bias to assume it given the high probability a war veteran will worship Templars, I left room for myself to be wrong about it but It seems I wasn't. Given that he thinks Templars are "holy" while there is nothing holy about addiction aka giving yourself up to your body's needs. You don't see me saying that to other Templar fans, do you? Because Templar addiction is something that needs to be taken care of and many see that. People suffering from paranoia and obsession (at best, it can be far worse) shouldn't be policing anyone, they need policing themselves. Just ask yourself, would you trust your son t be policed by a drug addict? HELL NO.

[errantknight]

I think the real issue is with people who equate "anti-military or military policy" as "anti veteran" or "anti police policy" as "anti police" or "anti Israel foreign policy" as "anti Jew."  Etc., etc.

I wasn't doing that. I was pointing out that saying 'I disapprove of your ideas as evidenced in many previous posts and you must have those ideas of which I disapprove because you must be a veteren' is less than ideal.

[wright1978]

When did the Inquisition become aligned with the Chantry?

When did it ask for it's help in selecting a new Divine?

 

The inquisition is linked to the chantry via the right and left hands of the deceased divine who are its founders.

By the fact that no matter what the inquisitor wishes the populace refer to him/her as the herald of Andraste.

Allying with Giselle.

 

Chantry lost most if not all of its senior figures in the explosion. It is in a mess and the Inquisitor is in a position of power to be able to have an influence and even if he/she wished to stay neutral his/her wider actions would have rippling influences on which way the remaining clergy view the potential candidates.

[SgtSteel91]

The inquisition is linked to the chantry via the right and left hands of the deceased divine who are its founders.

By the fact that no matter what the inquisitor wishes the populace refer to him/her as the herald of Andraste.

Allying with Giselle.

 

Chantry lost most if not all of its senior figures in the explosion. It is in a mess and the Inquisitor is in a position of power to be able to have an influence and even if he/she wished to stay neutral his/her wider actions would have rippling influences on which way the remaining clergy view the potential candidates.

 

Also, the Chantry does want to continue to exist so they would choose a Divine that wouldn't ****** off the Inquisition and in fact contemplate choosing people close to the Herald. That's the idea but it kind of falls apart if you don't like any of the candidates the game provides.

[AtreiyaN7]

Had a chance to try it earlier, and yeah, no Bright Hand ending with the mages allied with me - they just formed the College of Enchanters, etc.

[azarhal]

When did the Inquisition become aligned with the Chantry?

When did it ask for it's help in selecting a new Divine?

 

The Chantry end up selecting a specific Divine as a way to suck-up to the Inquisition. The only exception is low-approval Cassandra I guess (if that is really a thing, I have never seen it just read that it exist).

[Lulupab]

Not saying you were.  It's just a general issue with flinging the word "veteran" around, either as an insult or as one that should score someone insta credit.  It's a complete neutral word with no inherent positive or negative association.

 

Other than almost all war veterans who became politicians ending in disaster and death, yeah its a pretty neutral word. Turns out damaged/scarred people shouldn't meddle in politics, whether in real life or fiction. *cough meredith *cough

[Master Warder Z_]

Other than almost all war veterans who became politicians ending in disaster and death, yeah its a pretty neutral word. Turns out damaged/scarred people shouldn't meddle in politics, whether in real life or fiction. *cough meredith *cough

Lulu.

Hyperbole.

[Lulupab]

Lulu.

Hyperbole.

 

Do I have to really name them? Do I? You know as well as I do how dangerous it is to put damaged people on charge. Do you have to be a child now?   "nananana hyperbole, lololololol hyperbole bole bole hyper hyper nanana roflmao haha lele". That's how you sound.

[Master Warder Z_]

Do I have to really name them?.

Do I need to list the people who never served but were insane?

Honestly demeaning politicians for military service when there are just as many if not more that didn't who were nuts isn't much of a point.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Do I have to really name them? Do I? You know as well as I do how dangerous it is to put damaged people on charge. Do you have to be a child now?   "nananana hyperbole, lololololol hyperbole bole bole hyper hyper nanana roflmao haha lele". That's how you sound.

Considering how Warder is not so subtle about how he thinks a member of his family joining the 40's German army should be absolved of crimes, is it really surprising he is so supportive of the templars? The game clearly indicated mages should get more freedom and templars should be restrained a bit considering how that occurs in all endings.

[Lulupab]

Do I need to list the people who never served but were insane?

Honestly demeaning politicians for military service when there are just as many if not more that didn't who were nuts isn't much of a point.

 

Psychological problems occur but for someone like you who puts security over everything else, war veterans are at a much bigger risk of developing such problems specially if put in charge of important tasks. So for the sake of security alone they should be kept out of politics because they have a higher chance of becoming "insane" (though I would use the word loosely but you get the idea)

[Lulupab]

Considering how Warder is not so subtle about how he thinks a member of his family joining the 40's German army should be absolved of crimes, is it really surprising he is so supportive of the templars? The game clearly indicated mages should get more freedom and templars should be restrained a bit considering how that occurs in all endings.

 

Indeed and I get the "hyperbole" treatment when I say this exact same thing.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Indeed and I get the "hyperbole" treatment when I say this exact same thing.

Don't forget how in the Dalish thread, he is justifying the Chevaliers killing an elf as an initiation and he supports the Legion in New Vegas, a group of fanatical, misogynistic, cannibalistic rapists who are led by a hypocrite with a god complex. I'm honestly wondering if Warder is just trolling as I doubt any decent person would say these things in real life.

[ThreeGemSheepy]

well, this kinda went completely of the rails