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Bright Hand... something suitably inspiring yet ambiguous enough to adapt to a changing political world. That's clever, Cassandra! I like it! However, I just can't give up the Divine Leliana ending, personally.
It's the mages themselves who name it that.. She reinstates the Circle, but they kind of do it on their own terms. Then a faction within it splits..
One common thing in her endings is that the mages don't fully listen to her... even when it's positive.
It's the mages themselves who name it that.. She reinstates the Circle, but they kind of do it on their own terms.
Oh, do they? Good for them. I wonder if there were a bunch of alternate name choices that were considered... impolitic to bring to the new Divine.
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It's the mages themselves who name it that.. She reinstates the Circle, but they kind of do it on their own terms. Then a faction within it splits..
One common thing in her endings is that the mages don't fully listen to her... even when it's positive.
The mages listen. It says that the Sith like conspirators are an unknown. IMO they're Resolutionists and Venatori leftovers.
I tried getting Cassandra to become the Divine but somehow it was Vivienne instead which I really did not like. Anyone has advice on how to avoid that and get Cassandra instead?
I tried getting Cassandra to become the Divine but somehow it was Vivienne instead which I really did not like. Anyone has advice on how to avoid that and get Cassandra instead?
Tell Vivienne to gtfo and openly tell to her face you will support Cassandra. Tell Leliana she shouldn't become divine. The thing is sometimes the Vivienne mission is bugged and appears on war table and if you finish that Vivienne will become divine and its locked. Leliana and Cassandra are locked through conversation by picking the crown icon dialogue that you will support them as divine. Vivienne however is locked through her mission at war table.
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I tried getting Cassandra to become the Divine but somehow it was Vivienne instead which I really did not like. Anyone has advice on how to avoid that and get Cassandra instead?
Conscript Mages/Recruit Templars, Gaspard as lone Emperor/Celene & Briala/Three-Way Truce, and pick the reform dialogue choices when people ask you about the Chantry. Agreeing with Vivienne means that everything is perfect the way it is. Saying that the Chantry needs to burn will make Leliana the Iconoclastic Anarchist the front runner for the Sunburst Throne.
One common thing in her endings is that the mages don't fully listen to her... even when it's positive.
Only on a Mage-playthrough (because Fiona is alive...), her problem on a Templar playthrough are that people complains she is reforming the system too much.
The Cassandra's endings makes me wonder how the Vivienne and Leliana endings can even work. It's not because you kill or silence everyone standing against you that the problems suddenly disappear, usually it just makes things worst...
Only on a Mage-playthrough (because Fiona is alive...), her problem on a Templar playthrough are that people complains she is reforming the system too much.
The Cassandra's endings makes me wonder how the Vivienne and Leliana endings can even work. It's not because you kill or silence everyone standing against you that the problems suddenly disappear, usually it just makes things worst...
Leliana made every problem dissapear with words! 
If only the real world would work like that. Oh wait, that wouldn't be believable.
Only on a Mage-playthrough (because Fiona is alive...), her problem on a Templar playthrough are that people complains she is reforming the system too much.
The Cassandra's endings makes me wonder how the Vivienne and Leliana endings can even work. It's not because you kill or silence everyone standing against you that the problems suddenly disappear, usually it just makes things worst...
Un-hardened Leliana manages to keep sects from splitting the Chantry through diplomacy. As for Hardened Leliana and Vivienne, as long as the Inquisition exists no one can really challenge them.
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Un-hardened Leliana manages to keep sects from splitting the Chantry through diplomacy.
Cassandra does the same. And she manages is to do it without breaking the lore.
Cassandra does the same. And she manages is to do it without breaking the lore.
How is it any lore breaking than what Cassandra or Vivienne do? No one is perfectly happy with any of the Divines.
Perhaps you should consider that times are changing? Or that in the next game Bioware might change their minds and have people weary of the College or have a Sect break off from Leliana's Chantry?
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The good thing, or bias as some would see it, is the fact that you cannot disagree or hate Leliana because she is not a companion therefore she cannot have high disapproval unlike Cassandra and Vivienne who suffer a lot if they become divine and don't have a good relationship with Inquisitor. And at least the devs have put a "for now" in softened Leliana to make it more believable. Hardened Leliana do not have this "for now", she restores stability . I can believe Leliana's epilogue as no matter what she is fully backed by Inquisition, however the only thing I wouldn't believe is zealots not lining up to oppose her, which is why I think hardened Leliana is quite believable.
Cassandra fails with controlling the mages unless you side with them and conscript them which leads to bright hand hence this thread. All other options leads to instability among mages with Cassandra.
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How is it any lore breaking than what Cassandra or Vivienne do? No one is perfectly happy with any of the Divines.
Perhaps you should consider that times are changing? Or that in the next game Bioware might change their minds and have people weary of the College or have a Sect break off from Leliana's Chantry?
Nerd
Right. Times are changing. Times were changing in the 60's. And it was all so free of strife... Whatever kid.
The good thing, or bias as some would see it, is the fact that you cannot disagree or hate Leliana because she is not a companion therefore she cannot have high disapproval unlike Cassandra and Vivienne who suffer a lot if they become divine and don't have a good relationship with Inquisitor. And at least the devs have put a "for now" in softened Leliana to make it more believable. Hardened Leliana do not have this "for now", she restores stability . I can believe Leliana's epilogue as no matter what she is fully backed by Inquisition, however the only thing I wouldn't believe is zealots not lining up to oppose her, which is why I think hardened Leliana is quite believable.
Cassandra fails with controlling the mages unless you side with them and conscript them which leads to bright hand hence this thread. All other options leads to instability among mages with Cassandra.
Cassandra fails to control the mages unless you choose to go to Redcliff and conscript them?
I don't recall that.
Also, while Leliana does not have any approval to affect her divine outcome. Not doing her personal missions makes her a terrible divine IIRC who fails to deal with the opposition.
Bruce, I thought about your proposal, weighed the merits and concerns, and I got to say...
That's probably me they're referring to.
All ending variants have some implied temporary state, as to not make any one ending objectively better.
Unhardened Leliana doesn't bother me at all. The Inquisition and the Seekers still remain as the militaristic forces to maintain order. Leliana is the Divine, and it's not the Divine's job to do so directly. Leliana as a diplomatic Divine, backed by an Inquisition focused on Forces, with good relations to a reformed Seeker order under Cassandra? It's an ideal combination as far as I'm concerned. Canonically, Unhardened Leliana is successful for the time, regardless of how unrealistic people find it.
That said, I like Cass as Divine equally as much. Still considering this Bright Hand ending as I'm doing my completionist playthrough.
Cassandra fails with controlling the mages unless you side with them and conscript them which leads to bright hand hence this thread. All other options leads to instability among mages with Cassandra.
What? Cassandra-Templars endings have no mention of internal conflict among the mages.
Too Disneyland and not enough Dragon Age. That ending is almost lore breaking. And Bright Hand >>> CoE.
It would be, if Dorian's talks of early Tevinter didn't leave me to believe that the Thedas Colleges could end up going down the same, inch by inch, corruption that happened in Tevinter.
What? Cassandra-Templars endings have no mention of internal conflict among the mages.
Probably because most of the mages are brainwashed and then killed.
I think you should dive into a bottle of lyrium and never swim out tbh.
You want a RL version of Sandal?
Basically if fiona is alive she will keep causing problems.
Ruthless Leliana is the best Divine for my purposes, she wants change and she has the mettle required to see it through. Cass would be great for stability and more conservative overhauls and Viv is the worst since she just puts stuff back to how it was and hordes power for herself. I like Leli as Divine since I both like her changes and they're radical enough that the people will be looking to the Inquisition for stability.
My Inquisitors tend to be very good at the Game.
Basically if fiona is alive she will keep causing problems.
No problem whatsoever with Leliana.
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