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enjoy it while it lasts then, I doubt its going to be sticking around. The DA team does so love their retcons
Yes because Cassandra understands that reform needs to be negotiated and gradual. Leliana would rather plunge everything and everyone in blind to what she thinks is right.
That isn't different than Vivienne either. Oppose her, you get crushed.
Or they make Divine Leliana so much better in every way that the other options just seem to be plain wrong. Unhardened Leliana manages to get people to agree with her radical reforms while Cass needs the Inquisitor's help to negotiate for her reforms and even then has to make concessions. I also find it funny how nobody brings up the fact that Cass uses the Seekers to violently put down her opponents if she hates the Inquisitor.
Because most people dont have Cassandra hate their Inquisitors , to be honest i forget that thats even possible because her views align with my own even Anti chantry people love Cassandra.
Leliana's ending being better is subjective , i doubt Bioware would favor one epilogue over the others , they know people would rage if they did that.
She was suspicious of him because he's a Tevinter mage, his sexuality never comes into it, don't put words in her mouth.
As for the endings, not really. Cassandra reforms the Circle and Templars so that's no real change, Vivienne gives more rights, but she doesn't let them loose. The only one that really does that is Leliana's and its been done to death why her epilogue is pants on head moronic
Cass outright says she plans on giving mages more independence with help while making the Templars protect innocent people rather than be jailers, and Vivienne winds up giving mages more freedom than they ever had before while leashing the templars as her personal army. None of the options return the Circles to their previous state or oppress mages more. Face it, it's pretty much certain that the devs are saying the old system was broken and that mages needed more freedom.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
enjoy it while it lasts then, I doubt its going to be sticking around. The DA team does so love their retcons
Yes because Cassandra understands that reform needs to be negotiated and gradual. Leliana would rather plunge everything and everyone in blind to what she thinks is right.
No use debating with people like this. You might as well type in Sanskrit. They only accept their view of the world and leave no room for anything else.
Cass outright says she plans on giving mages more independence with help while making the Templars protect innocent people rather than be jailers, and Vivienne winds up giving mages more freedom than they ever had before while leashing the templars as her personal army. None of the options return the Circles to their previous state or oppress mages more. Face it, it's pretty much certain that the devs are saying the old system was broken and that mages needed more freedom.
I don't think anyone argued that they didn't need more freedom. It just needs to be checked.
Because most people dont have Cassandra hate their Inquisitors , to be honest i forget that thats even possible because her views align with my own even most Anti chantry people love Cassandra.
Leliana's ending being better is subjective , i doubt Bioware would favor one epilogue over the others , they know people would rage if they did that.
Well they certainly didn't make the Bhelen vs Harrowmont choice fair given that Bhelen is better in practically every way and Harrowmont even starts to fail on the morality front. In other words, Bhelen is better in every way and the devs are short of outright saying that Bhelen is the right choice and people who chose Harrowmont are wrong.
No use debating with people like this. You might as well type in Sanskrit. They only accept their view of the world and leave no room for anything else.
Funny, I could say the same thing about people like you.
Cass outright says she plans on giving mages more independence with help while making the Templars protect innocent people rather than be jailers, and Vivienne winds up giving mages more freedom than they ever had before while leashing the templars as her personal army. None of the options return the Circles to their previous state or oppress mages more. Face it, it's pretty much certain that the devs are saying the old system was broken and that mages needed more freedom.
Well its a good thing they were never jailors because the Circles aren't prisons. There were numerous mages in DA:I who just wanted to go back to them.
Or the devs are setting up the next set of conflicts in the series, don't presume to know what their intentions are for the series.
(I also notice you didn't have a rebuttal to the bit on Mother GIselle)
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Funny, I could say the same thing about people like you.
LOL if you say so. Ignorance is bliss.
Well they certainly didn't make the Bhelen vs Harrowmont choice fair given that Bhelen is better in practically every way and Harrowmont even starts to fail on the morality front. In other words, Bhelen is better in every way and the devs are short of outright saying that Bhelen is the right choice and people who chose Harrowmont are wrong.
Fair point , but this isnt Bhelen or Harrowmont , those two werent characters we cared about , that one of them was made to be pathetic means nothing to most us while we care about the likes of Cassandra, so unless they are idiots, which i doubt , then that wouldnt be repeated in this case.
enjoy it while it lasts then, I doubt its going to be sticking around. The DA team does so love their retcons
Yes because Cassandra understands that reform needs to be negotiated and gradual. Leliana would rather plunge everything and everyone in blind to what she thinks is right.
The devs outright said the next DA game is going to be in the North so no, it's doubtful the choice is being retconned given that back when DAO was released, they didn't think the series would continue but with Inquisition, they know they are going to make more games so it is highly doubtful they are going to retcon our choices. Don't forget they said they had enough of the South and the Chantry so it is likely the next games won't focus as much on what happens on the South. Why else would mage freedom be possible if they planned on retconning it? Face it, we are going to the North and mage freedom and acceptance are pretty much the norm of the series if Leliana is chosen.
No use debating with people like this. You might as well type in Sanskrit. They only accept their view of the world and leave no room for anything else.
nah man, Anglo-Saxon
Swa sceal geong guma gode gewyrcean,
fromum feohgiftumon fæder bearme,
þæt hine on ylde eft gewunigen
wilgesiþas, þonne wig cume,
leode gelæsten; lofdædum sceal
in mægþa gehwære man geþeon.
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The devs outright said the next DA game is going to be in the North so no, it's doubtful the choice is being retconned given that back when DAO was released, they didn't think the series would continue but with Inquisition, they know they are going to make more games so it is highly doubtful they are going to retcon our choices. Don't forget they said they had enough of the South and the Chantry so it is likely the next games won't focus as much on what happens on the South. Why else would mage freedom be possible if they planned on retconning it? Face it, we are going to the North and mage freedom and acceptance are pretty much the norm of the series if Leliana is chosen.
You presume to know so ****** much yet you're typing on BW's forums. Unless you're David Gaider in disguise stop talking out of your ass.
The devs outright said the next DA game is going to be in the North so no, it's doubtful the choice is being retconned given that back when DAO was released, they didn't think the series would continue but with Inquisition, they know they are going to make more games so it is highly doubtful they are going to retcon our choices. Don't forget they said they had enough of the South and the Chantry so it is likely the next games won't focus as much on what happens on the South. Why else would mage freedom be possible if they planned on retconning it? Face it, we are going to the North and mage freedom and acceptance are pretty much the norm of the series if Leliana is chosen.
I hope you have a source, and even then it wouldn't really matter since we can't stay up there completely ignoring the South forever.
Its so amusing that you think you have all the right asnwers
Well its a good thing they were never jailors because the Circles aren't prisons. There were numerous mages in DA:I who just wanted to go back to them.
Or the devs are setting up the next set of conflicts in the series, don't presume to know what their intentions are for the series.
(I also notice you didn't have a rebuttal to the bit on Mother GIselle)
Cassandra outright calls the Templars jailers and that's why she wants to reform them to be protectors of the innocent rather than leave them as they are.
Also, Dorian says that the rumors are about a relationship with the Inquisitor if you are romancing him which does make Giselle's comments seem homophobic.
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Its so amusing that you think you have all the right asnwers
I think he has one answer at least. Which happens to be right for him.
But that's the thing with these endings. They all ****** work, people!
Cassandra outright calls the Templars jailers and that's why she wants to reform them to be protectors of the innocent rather than leave them as they are.
Also, Dorian says that the rumors are about a relationship with the Inquisitor if you are romancing him which does make Giselle's comments seem homophobic.
Cassandra isn't an objective authority on this matter, she can give her opinion and that's about it
So you don't actually have anything that proves homophobia? And given the setting's acceptance of homosexuality, it'd be unusual if she was. Stop making stuff up just to get angry about
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It's funny, before release, I thought there'd be a great chance for failstates. "Lead the world to it's bitter end.."
And nothing like that happens.... afaik. It all works.. more or less. The only thing left is destroy the Inquisition itself.. then I'm cool.
I think he has one answer at least. Which happens to be right for him.
No, he's making claims about what is objectively best in the series, and what the devs intend, and how the future will play out
There is nothing in his tone that indicates that he thinks the other ending states work for other people. They are all objectively wrong if they do not accept Leliana as the intended outcome
I think he has one answer at least. Which happens to be right for him.
But that's the thing with these endings. They all ****** work, people!
That's what I like about these 3 choices. They all have good and bad points.
It really just depends on what you favor most.
I think he has one answer at least. Which happens to be right for him.
But that's the thing with these endings. They all ****** work, people!
Exactly. Face it, Leliana's ending won't backfire anymore than Cass' or Vivienne's will. People who say otherwise just can' accept that the devs put in mage freedom and acceptance.
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LOL like I said; someone that takes an inch and flips it into a mile.
Exactly. Face it, Leliana's ending won't backfire anymore than Cass' or Vivienne's will. People who say otherwise just can' accept that the devs put in mage freedom and acceptance.
lol ooor people say that because they dont trust that mages are ready to handle that much freedom just yet , im not anti mage by any means , in fact most of my inquisitors are mages still this whole dissolving the circles business just feels like it would lead to bigger problems in the future.
He is about one thing though, mages get the better ending in either cases.
Leliana doesn't need explanation, Vivienne gives them a lot of right, governs the circles herself and leashes Templars as glorified watch dogs, same as Tevinter, the only difference is they are taking Lyrium.
Cassandra reforms the circles, I mean if you side with mage she invites the mages to circles and they refuse if you have allied with mages and she doesn't attack them, she lets them build the college as she lets them build the bright hand if you conscript the mages. The mages are responsible for their fate, its far from old circles.
Cass outright says she plans on giving mages more independence with help while making the Templars protect innocent people rather than be jailers, and Vivienne winds up giving mages more freedom than they ever had before while leashing the templars as her personal army. None of the options return the Circles to their previous state or oppress mages more. Face it, it's pretty much certain that the devs are saying the old system was broken and that mages needed more freedom.
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