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[Br3admax]

I can take the Barris hit for Alexius, but not everybody likes him. Only reason I decided to go with Hushed Whispers as canon.

You are going down a canon path I cannot follow, bro. I will do what I must.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly though the one gripe I have with this ending is the dissolution of the quarantine.

Sort of defeats the point of protecting people
from that crap when it's next door.

Dump em on a island and set them loose, no problem, stick them were they have free access to kill people on a whim and it raises issue with me.

[Lulupab]

Must be your head cannon acting up again.

Because there wasn't a post, just jumbled speculation.

Which I'm not surprised to see.

 

No, you question the college of enchanters but in order for it to happen and become a college you need to side with the mages, which grants the respect like they have never seen.

 

You have sided with Templars and think people fear magic which is not what is happening here. People respect the mages and the college of enchanters works, as it is made obvious on the epilogue. If anyone is imagining things in their mind, its you. 

[Br3admax]

 

Honestly though the one gripe I have with this ending is the dissolution of the quarantine.

Sort of defeats the point of protecting people
from that crap when it's next door.

Dump em on a island and set them loose, no problem, stick them were they have free access to kill people on a whim and it raises issue with me.

You know the idea that because we can do something, we will is half the problem with the world today. Mars has less iron than what you just said. As long as people are policing them, it really shouldn't matter. 

[Lulupab]

This is great and all, but since Barris has to die for it to happen, and I'd have to do In Hushed Whispers, it's not even worth mentioning.

 

This is actually a better response than you think. I merely asked for the acknowledgement that what I said happens if you side with mages. So yes if you don't side with mages it doesn't, big shock.

 

Also people drooling over Barris is understandable, the first real Templar who is not crazy or zealot. But sadly he is just a simple good guy who is irrelevant to story and events that follows.

[Master Warder Z_]

which grants the respect like they have never seen.

Even assuming thats not just speculation it doesn't erase the very events the inquisition had to deal because of those very rebels.

Honestly it's assine to think that the commoners or nobility would bow to that doctrine IMMEDIATELY after the mage rebellion.

Oh sure respect the reason your lands were ruined, your family displaced and don't get me started on redcliffe.

Oh I wish the mages would stroll in there after selling their protectors to Tevinter.

So yeah no.

[MisterJB]

I will point out there's no indication of precisely how this new College intends to act or why there are those who oppose it.

[Cerulione]

Still, I like the idea of non-mages (Cass & Leliana) trying to change things to allow mages more freedom. I mean, making mages prisoner will never ended well.

[Br3admax]

I will point out there's no indication of precisely how this new College intends to act or why there are those who oppose it.

They intend to mirror the Inquisition, most likely, kind of what that picture on the first page says.

 

And there are those who oppose it for the same reason people oppose anything. Because it exists. 

 

Besides, unless you intend to play mage, which I highly, highly, highly, doubt, this isn't even an issue for you. 

[Lulupab]

I will point out there's no indication of precisely how this new College intends to act or why there are those who oppose it.

 

True, there is no information about how they will act in the college. But the epilogue says mages are getting acceptance and the college is actually working.

 

Edit: No one opposes the college if Leliana is divine, the opposition is exclusive to Cassandra.

[RobRam10]

Can I polute your thread with Tevinter Supremacy?

[Lulupab]

Make your own College of Anarchists thread. Don't pollute the Jedi Order the Bright Hand with your Leliana's iconoclasm. LOL

 

Don't get me wrong I love Cassandra as divine, I merely responded to Leliana haters   . Cassandra and Leliana both go Justinia's way, Leliana with more determination, Cassandra with more caution. Like a certain backwater pretender they don't try to go back to a system that caused all the problems in the first place.

[Milan92]

I'll give this ending a try.

[MisterJB]

No, you question the college of enchanters but in order for it to happen and become a college you need to side with the mages, which grants the respect like they have never seen.

You have sided with Templars and think people fear magic which is not what is happening here. People respect the mages and the college of enchanters works, as it is made obvious on the epilogue. If anyone is imagining things in their mind, its you.

That ending is just nonsensical. Before Inquisition, after Kirkwall, people wouldn't look at a mage without lynching them and now the Divine herself was killed in the very same manner, the mage rebellion sold those granting them refuge to Tevinter and mages from the Venatori and Grey Wardens nearly took over Southern Thedas.
And we are supposed to believe that, after all this, there is any near future where mages can leave the protection of the Inquisition and not only survive but be respected?
I understand and don't oppose the need to havê a pro-mage ending but this is an insult to our intelligence.

[Br3admax]

Well, there goes this thread. Something else Leliana ruined. 

[Jaison1986]

Not really. I'll agree with you on Leliana's ending. But having mages be the core of the 'armies of the faithful' would certainly swing around people who were neutral on the issue. If then the Divine proclaims and recognizes the Inquisition as a legitimate power that further changes public opinion. It's only disastrous in Leliana's ending where mages are treated as normal people which they clearly aren't.

 

You speak as if they are living among the common people like any other average Joe. They still live in their own circle, the difference is that now the Chantry have no power over them and the people views on mages are no longer skewed by religious bias because Leliana does not allow that.

[Ieldra]

@OP:

My main issue has always been that mages are ruled by the Chantry, so that outcome doesn't work for me. I do prefer Cassandra as the new Divine, however, since she comes across as the voice of reason among the other radicals. Which is likely why I get the ending where Cassandra does reform the Circle, but the Inquisition mages stay independent and form the College of Enchanters, with the possibility of conflict looming over the future.

 

I like this outcome best, since I think having two competing systems rather than one that dominates everything is good.

[TEWR]

Yes but where does Alexius factor into all of this, TDKR?

 

That's the most important question.

[RobRam10]

Yes but where does Alexius factor into all of this, TDKR?

 

That's the most important question.

Alexius is a living god he will always factor into anything

[Jackums]

I'm all for supporting Cass as Divine, but people that feel compelled to bash other candidates to validate their favorite don't really do much for their arguments.

 

I think Cass is hands-down the safest option for Divine. Her approach is progressive but cautious. This particular ending is one that I'm considering aiming for on my completionist playthrough that I've been planning out the past few days. That or the templar-aligned alternative. I play as a mage, BTW.

 

That said, Leliana's ending is more progressive, albeit with seemingly more potential for issue (higher risk, higher reward). But purely going off of the epilogue slides, it's canonically just as "good" as any of Cass's endings. On one hand, Cass leads to a "golden age," and on the other, Leliana creates "unprecedented acceptance for mages throughout Thedas." That much is fact. There's also no mention of conflict regarding the mages/templars in Leliana's mage-aligned ending, just like Cass's templar-aligned epilogue variant. Thus, as far as the source material, both are equally successful. Everything else is prediction and headcanon.

 

Anyway, the endings I'm considering for my completionist playthrough are;

 

Leliana as Divine, allied with the mages

Cass as Divine, conscripted the mages

Cass as Divine, allied with the templars

 

I naturally got Leliana as Divine on my first playthrough of the game (no metagaming), which I guess is telling of how I'd act myself in the situation. But rationally I recognize the practicality of Cass as Divine, and I do like the relative security of her endings.

[Br3admax]

@OP:

My main issue has always been that mages are ruled by the Chantry, so that outcome doesn't work for me. I do prefer Cassandra as the new Divine, however, since she comes across as the voice of reason among the other radicals. Which is likely why I get the ending where Cassandra does reform the Circle, but the Inquisition mages stay independent and form the College of Enchanters, with the possibility of conflict looming over the future.

 

I like this outcome best, since I think having two competing systems rather than one that dominates everything is good.

And then one will dominate the other. Just with more bloodshed involved. That's not helping anyone. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, there goes this thread. Something else Leliana ruined.

:c she needed to stay dead in that temple.

[TEWR]

That ending is just nonsensical. Before Inquisition, after Kirkwall, people wouldn't look at a mage without lynching them and now the Divine herself was killed in the very same manner, the mage rebellion sold those granting them refuge to Tevinter and mages from the Venatori and Grey Wardens nearly took over Southern Thedas.
And we are supposed to believe that, after all this, there is any near future where mages can leave the protection of the Inquisition and not only survive but be respected?
I understand and don't oppose the need to havê a pro-mage ending but this is an insult to our intelligence.

 

Yeah, I agree with you on that front. Frankly, I'd argue that none of the Divine endings, for one reason or another, make any sense -- whether it be because of the characters becoming Divine or their actions or whatever. Vivienne is a walking statement on why it doesn't make sense for her to become Divine, and your point illustrates that Leliana's ending just comes across as contrived beyond belief.

 

And Cass.... I don't think she'd be able to even deal with being Divine. Faithful, to be sure, but I don't think Divine is a position she would enjoy at all. She's too much of a person who doesn't like to sit around and wait for other people to solve things. She'd solve them herself.

 

(her first act might be to stab all the copies of the Chant )

 

 

Make your own College of Anarchists thread. Don't pollute the Jedi Order the Bright Hand with your Leliana's iconoclasm. LOL

 

If the Bright Hand is the Jedi.... does that mean that Leliana's option or Vivienne's option will turn into the Sith Lords?