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[Jackums]

as I said above, I was comparing "chantry oversight will inevitably result in mage abuse" to "free mages will result in a new Tevinter"

Thanks for clarifying, though the post you quoted was directed at TDKR's comment.

[Steelcan]

Thanks for clarifying, though the post you quoted was directed at TDKR's comment.

just clearing it up

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes they confirmed that blood mages and abominations are rarer than we think, Kirkwall was an exception. You can actually have a conversation about it in the game if you ally with the mages, with says how good the mages have controlled themselves with the breach on the sky.

Not at all they just ignored matter kirkwall wasn't an exception please unless ferelden is kirkwall .They didn't confirmed nothing because abomnation thing is completly ignored and only touched by viv and then ignored.

[Lulupab]

The Bright Hand is an autonomous Circle within the Chantry hierarchy. As Cassandra said 'help to govern themselves'. Mages are really sheltered if you haven't figured it out yet. The Bright Hand is that vital middle step to acceptance that Leliana detrimentally ignores.

if you want a revolution you cannot have middle steps or half measures. I can respect mages governing themselves but that mysterious infighting between mages is worrying me.

[thesuperdarkone2]

"So instead of turning to Blood Magic and Demon Possession, we instead went to Tevinter"

 

I really don't think that's significantly better

And the leader of the Seekers and Templars was okay with letting a demon corrupt the Order and siding the world but that's okay since it was just him and thus all templars are completely innocent. /s

 

The double standards are hilarious. All mages deserved to be punished for Fiona's mistake yet the apparently not all Templars deserve to be punished for the fact that their leadership was utterly corrupt? LOL

[Steelcan]

if you want a revolution you cannot have middle steps or half measures. I can respect mages governing themselves but that mysterious infighting between mages is worrying me.

sure you can, the American Revolution was one giant half-measure

[Lulupab]

"So instead of turning to Blood Magic and Demon Possession, we instead went to Tevinter"

 

I really don't think that's significantly better

 

Tevinter's system of controlling mages and magic is clearly working better than south Thedas and I mean the current Tevinter not ancient, only their culture is problematic such as only mages being nobles and slavery and similar things. We can apply the system in south without the culture. Mages still not becoming nobles or owning lands, mages responsible for future of mages with an army (Seekers in Leliana's case) ready if something goes wrong which doesn't have any more chance of happening than other organizations and people being in charge of mages, as shown in evidence of thousand years of said systems.

[Jackums]

It was more a criticism of the Tevinter nobility and less the fact that they're mages. If you misunderstood... well I don't know how when Alexius is in my signature.

Your comment blatantly stated that the nobles being mages is the issue with Tevinter. I pointed out how logically baseless that was.

[Steelcan]

And the leader of the Seekers and Templars was okay with letting a demon corrupt the Order and siding the world but that's okay since it was just him and thus all templars are completely innocent /s

 

The double standards are hilarious. All mages deserved to be punished for Fiona's mistake yet the apparently not all Templars deserve to be punished for the fact that their leadership was utterly corrupt? LOL

The Lord Seeker was clearly insane to be working with Corypheus.

 

I do not blame the templars for being tricked by their leaders.  The mages were not tricked, they were forced into a war by the horrendous decisions of Fiona, and even then they had a choice to either go back to Circles, as we see with Vivienne's mages (and a war table mission if the templars are conscripted).  The mages who remain with her are either blind to her incompetence or too scared to make their own way.

 

I can sympathize with the latter, the former is inexcusable.

 

I do not condemn all mages, i condemn those who forced their brethren into a war that many did not want and wound up losing, and then selling themselves to Tevinter.

[Lulupab]

sure you can, the American Revolution was one giant half-measure

 

And it worked like the method, only half the way, well for a long while anyway. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

And the leader of the Seekers and Templars was okay with letting a demon corrupt the Order and siding the world but that's okay since it was just him and thus all templars are completely innocent. /s

 

The double standards are hilarious. All mages deserved to be punished for Fiona's mistake yet the apparently not all Templars deserve to be punished for the fact that their leadership was utterly corrupt? LOL

Lets ask how demon was there in first place (mage)... pretty much whole plot of dai was caused by mage and mages same for dao in two way in fact.

[Jackums]

It was worded incorrectly.

It certainly was.

[Steelcan]

Tevinter's system of controlling mages and magic is clearly working better than south Thedas and I mean the current Tevinter not ancient, only their culture is problematic such as only mages being nobles and slavery and similar things. We can apply the system in south without the culture. Mages still not becoming nobles or owning lands, mages responsible for future of mages with an army (Seekers in Leliana's case) ready if something goes wrong which doesn't have any more chance of happening than other organizations and people being in charge of mages, as shown in evidence of thousand years of said systems.

LOL

 

If you want an example of an attempt to install a "good" system in a nation that is not used to it, look no further than Iraq.

[thesuperdarkone2]

People who hate Leliana do realize that Leliana reforms the Seekers if Cass doesn't?

[Steelcan]

People who hate Leliana do realize that Leliana reforms the Seekers if Cass doesn't?

yeah that's what's needed

 

Bring back the organization that rivals Cerebrus for poor decision making.

[Lulupab]

LOL

 

If you want an example of an attempt to install a "good" system in a nation that is not used to it, look no further than Iraq.

 

Well not according to epilogue, IF what we think about college is true.

[Lulupab]

yeah that's what's needed

 

Bring back the organization that rivals Cerebrus for poor decision making.

 

The Seekers don't get any more blame than Templars, corrupt leaders was the problem not the seekers. If anything red templars are the true cerberus of DA:I.

[thesuperdarkone2]

yeah that's what's needed

 

Bring back the organization that rivals Cerebrus for poor decision making.

Cass brings them back in she becomes Divine. 

[Steelcan]

The Seekers don't get any more blame than Templars, corrupt leaders was the problem not the seekers. If anything red templars are the true cerberus of DA:I.

The Seekers seem to have an aptitude for it that is truly remarkable.

 

When the three members that are detailed in any depth are Cassandra (who leaves the order), Lambert, and Lucius, it does not speak well to its competence.  Throw in the mage rebellion happening on their watch, as well as templar abuses in Kirkwall... I really don't care if they get re-established or not

[Steelcan]

Cass brings them back in she becomes Divine. 

I've never said it was a good idea

 

I discourage her from reforming them, and that's the extent of the input allowed to me

[TheKomandorShepard]

Damn i wish lambert was alive and then put him as divine that would be best ending ever with him taking care of mages that would be true pro-templar ending.