The codex is a note from Venatori. If Fiona had handed them thousands of Tranquil on a platter, they wouldn't be telling their operatives to scour the countryside for more. You just want to ignore plain facts in favor of h8terade.
Once again, we aren't saying she sat there carving them up herself
But its unlikely that she had no clue what was going on if she's half as smrt as we are led to believe
The codex is a note from Venatori. If Fiona had handed them thousands of Tranquil on a platter, they wouldn't be telling their operatives to scour the countryside for more. You just want to ignore plain facts in favor of h8terade.
When did I say Fiona handed over anybody? And I don't care. Everything else makes it clear most of the Tranquil went with the former Circle, some staying with the Inquisition for research purposes.
But it's more believable she had no idea where thousands of people went while personally working in the castle and village? Really?
The codex said most of the tranquil stayed behind.
Only a few were in Redcliff with her, so there is a really good chance that she genuinely had no idea what was going on.
The codex said most of the tranquil stayed behind.
Only a few were in Redcliff with her, so there is a really good chance that she genuinely had no idea what was going on.
Again, the codex doesn't override everything else, especially when it's from an outside source. I think actual Circle mages and Cassandra know a little more than random Venatori 12.
If you talk to Clemence he says that Alexius ordered all those without magical talent to leave Redcliffe. Clemence points out that even if they left one would have to wonder where they'd go, but just because Clemence points that out doesn't mean no Tranquil actually left.
After all, Tranquil end up becoming rather.... malleable, as Alrik's depraved acts demonstrated.
So factoring in that and Addai's posts on how many of the Tranquil were abandoned in the Circles, and IIRC Minaeve's comments, I see no reason to cast blame on Fiona for the Tranquil not being there, especially since we have no idea how many she had with her in the first place
And also since there are only like... six Oculara in the Hinterlands and they're scattered about.
Granted, it doesn't mean I won't call out Fiona for being a ******-poor war leader in the game as it stands. Tranquil are useful. A lot of what she did makes me question her capability of being a war leader. And a lot of that also makes me question whether Bioware even cares at this point to make wars be depicted as they should be or if they use them more for shock value.
And also since there are only like... six Oculara in the Hinterlands and they're scattered about.
there's a house in Redcliffe filled with the skulls, dozens of them
Ah, well then, I must've forgotten that whenever I explored the Hinterlands, since I ended up going in every nook and cranny. When your game is stuck on the locked framerate that bogs it down you tend to miss the details and also skip over some things.
Still, you'd also have to prove that all of those once alive Tranquil were associated with the rebel Mages and weren't simply brought there by the Venatori to find the shards in their scheme. Alexius was pretty insistent on finding Tranquil. They would be shipped around.
If you talk to Clemence he says that Alexius ordered all those without magical talent to leave Redcliffe. Clemence points out that even if they left one would have to wonder where they'd go, but just because Clemence points that out doesn't mean no Tranquil actually left.
After all, Tranquil end up becoming rather.... malleable, as Alrik's depraved acts demonstrated.
So factoring in that and Addai's posts on how many of the Tranquil were abandoned in the Circles, and IIRC Minaeve's comments, I see no reason to cast blame on Fiona for the Tranquil not being there, especially since we have no idea how many she had with her in the first place
And also since there are only like... six Oculara in the Hinterlands and they're scattered about.
Granted, it doesn't mean I won't call out Fiona for being a ******-poor war leader in the game as it stands. Tranquil are useful. A lot of what she did makes me question her capability of being a war leader. And a lot of that also makes me question whether Bioware even cares at this point to make wars be depicted as they should be or if they use them more for shock value.
I think we can expect every group to be portrayed as both heroes and villains until we get the idea that all of them are both.
Cassandra knows more than the people who were actually rounding up Tranquil and turning them into oculara? Okay, whatever.Again, the codex doesn't override everything else, especially when it's from an outside source. I think actual Circle mages and Cassandra know a little more than random Venatori 12.
But the bright hand sounds like the title of a bad porno..........
Regardless, if a latter DLC/expansion shows that will can keep our romance even after Cassandra becomes Divine then I'll consider the bright hand ending.
But there are other benefits to Leliana that make me support her. Such as accepting all races and genders into the chantry.
No, it sounds like Maoist gurillas, lol
In my last playthrough, my inquisitor wanted Cassandra not to go and she didn't. Next time, I'll probably let her for the bittersweet romantic ending--and because I really think she'd be best. Leliand can do good things, but she's a little too potentially extreme for me to think she'd be a good leader
Turns out the mages form the Bright Hand if they are conscripted and Leliana becomes Divine, and it turns out to be way better than Cass' version. Problem?
http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=11m22s
No, it sounds like Maoist gurillas, lol
In my last playthrough, my inquisitor wanted Cassandra not to go and she didn't. Next time, I'll probably let her for the bittersweet romantic ending--and because I really think she'd be best. Leliand can do good things, but she's a little too potentially extreme for me to think she'd be a good leader
LoL, Maoist gurillias indeed.
Turns out the mages form the Bright Hand if they are conscripted and Leliana becomes Divine, and it turns out to be way better than Cass' version. Problem?
Wow, Leliana is the best Divine indeed. Though I wonder how do you get the bright hand ending with Leliana?
The Bright Hand as the Inquisition's mage college. Thats a sweet ending!
LoL, Maoist gurillias indeed.
Wow, Leliana is the best Divine indeed. Though I wonder how do you get the bright hand ending with Leliana?
Most likely you have to conscript the mages and make Leliana become divine. Also, this pretty much ensures that Leliana is the best. Where are the haters now?
Most likely you have to conscript the mages and make Leliana become divine. Also, this pretty much ensures that Leliana is the best. Where are the haters now?
I'm going to try that with new playthrough right now. Conscripting the mages gives Leliana a massive -10 to her chances. So you have to carefully make sure you make up for that deficient the rest of the game. But oh boy that ending is TOTALLY WORTH IT!
I can understand people being uneasy with setting mages completely free but the bright hand forming as the Inquisition's own personal mage college? Yes please! Where do you sign me up?
I'm going to try that with new playthrough right now. Conscripting the mages gives Leliana a massive -10 to her chances. So you have to carefully make sure you make up for that deficient the rest of the game. But oh boy that ending is TOTALLY WORTH IT!
Bet all the pro-templars are gonna be annoyed that this ending exists. Here's my response:
We don't particularly care.
I mean, I'm curious how what amounts to a civillian population is going to survive within the Inquisition and just what degree of interaction with the outsid world this entails but, beyond that? Meh.
Turns out the mages form the Bright Hand if they are conscripted and Leliana becomes Divine, and it turns out to be way better than Cass' version. Problem?
All it does is making an unrealistic ending even more ridiculous.
I'm sticking with Cass.
Enjoy your cake in the meantime. We still get to eat it.
Enjoy your cake in the meantime. We still get to eat it.
What are you talking about? Aren't we Leliana supports the ones that get to have our cake and eat it. We want mage freedom but we don't want the danger of mages completely unspervised. Hence this is the best of both worlds. We get mage freedom and the mages stay under the watchful eye of the inquisition.
Hmmm, this cake is delicious and yet I can keep the dream of freedom alive. The best ending is the best ending.
Whats with this bizarre notation that happy endings are unrealistic? The haters can have their unfillings endings, I'll take THE BEST ending in the game.
What are you talking about? Aren't we Leliana supports the ones that get to have our cake and eat it. We want mage freedom but we don't want the danger of mages completely unspervised. Hence this is the best of both worlds. We get mage freedom and the mages stay under the watchful eye of the inquisition.
Hmmm, this cake is delicious.
Yeah you guys have your cake and can eat it too.
But remember that you can only eat a cake once 
All it does is making an unrealistic ending even more ridiculous.
I'm sticking with Cass.
Enjoy your cake in the meantime. We still get to eat it.
It's better than independent College. This way, they're still under someone's tumb as well as protection and thus, the likelihood of reprisals diminishes. A branch of the Inquisition has a greater chance of being left alone than na independent entity.
In that, it is more realistic.
Of course, it doesn't answer the question how those magi that are not in the 20-50 year range are going to live.
Are mages allowed to have children? What would be the nationality of these children? Would they be allowed to leave and seek their fortune in Orlais or Ferelden?
What about the elderly? Inquisition soldiers leave to their families after their work is done, Cullen says so at the end of the game. But is the Inquisition supposed to provide for an entire elderly magi population?
Yeah, Cass is the best Divine.
What are you talking about? Aren't we Leliana supports the ones that get to have our cake and eat it. We want mage freedom but we don't want the danger of mages completely unspervised. Hence this is the best of both worlds. We get mage freedom and the mages stay under the watchful eye of the inquisition.
Hmmm, this cake is delicious.
I wouldn't argue with them. They just can't handle that Leliana just made this thread worthless for Cass.
Yeah you guys have your cake and can eat it too.
But remember that you can only eat a cake once
Bioware can apparently break the rules. lol
It's better than independent College. This way, they're still under someone's tumb as well as protection and thus, the likelihood of reprisals diminishes. A branch of the Inquisition has a greater chance of being left alone than na independent entity.
In that, it is more realistic.
Of course, it doesn't answer the question how those magi that are not in the 20-50 year range are going to live.
Are mages allowed to have children? What would be the nationality of these children? Would they be allowed to leave and seek their fortune in Orlais or Ferelden?
What about the elderly? Inquisition soldiers leave to their families after their work is done, Cullen says so at the end of the game. But is the Inquisition supposed to provide for na entire elderly magi population?
Yeah, Cass is the best Divine.
Well, Blackwall says that he is building the wooden griffon so the children in the camps will play. Therefore, there are children in Skyhold, we just don't see them. Most likely yes, the Inquisition would care for the elderly and children.
Of course, it doesn't answer the question how those magi that are not in the 20-50 year range are going to live.
Are mages allowed to have children? What would be the nationality of these children? Would they be allowed to leave and seek their fortune in Orlais or Ferelden?
What about the elderly? Inquisition soldiers leave to their families after their work is done, Cullen says so at the end of the game. But is the Inquisition supposed to provide for an entire elderly magi population?
Those questions aren't answered by Cass' ending either. moot point.
I wouldn't argue with them. They just can't handle that Leliana just made this thread worthless for Cass.
We actually don't care. Cass remains our favorite.
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