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[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Well, Blackwall says that he is building the wooden griffon so the children in the camps will play. Therefore, there are children in Skyhold, we just don't see them. Most likely yes, the Inquisition would care for the elderly and children.

 

With all the refugees that flocked to skyhold to join the inquisition or just to seek shelter, I imagine the inquisition is caring for a lot of people who can't directly fight. But a large army needs an even larger support staff so those people can still be useful.

[MisterJB]

What are you talking about? Aren't we Leliana supports the ones that get to have our cake and eat it. We want mage freedom but we don't want the danger of mages completely unspervised. Hence this is the best of both worlds. We get mage freedom and the mages stay under the watchful eye of the inquisition.

 

Hmmm, this cake is delicious and yet I can keep the dream of freedom alive. The best ending is the best ending.

 

Whats with this bizarre notation that happy endings are unrealistic? The haters can have their unfillings endings, I'll take THE BEST ending in the game.

I was very fulfilled by my "Cassandra reform the Circle and places a reformed Templar Order watching over it" Thank you very much.

Leliana's magi endings are unrealistic, no way around that. But hey, if it made some fans happy, at least something good came out of it, I guess. Enjoy.

 

I do think they could have more realistic pro-mage endings, tough.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

We actually don't care. Cass remains our favorite.

 

That your choice but this topic was started specifically to argue that Cass's bright hand was the best ending. Which is no longer the case.

[jlb524]

I'm going to try that with new playthrough right now. Conscripting the mages gives Leliana a massive -10 to her chances. So you have to carefully make sure you make up for that deficient the rest of the game. But oh boy that ending is TOTALLY WORTH IT!

 

If the wiki summary of Divine approval gains/losses is accurate, it's not that tough to make that 10 up with Leliana.

[Milan92]

That your choice but this topic was started specifically to argue that Cass's bright hand was the best ending. Which is no longer the case.

 

Subjective.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I was very fulfilled by my "Cassandra reform the Circle and places a reformed Templar Order watching over it" Thank you very much.

Leliana's magi endings are unrealistic, no way around that. But hey, if it made some fans happy, at least something good came out of it, I guess. Enjoy.

 

I do think they could have more realistic pro-mage endings, tough.

 

Is not leliana's bright hand ending the same except with the Inquistion watching over the mages instead of the templars?

 

 

If the wiki summary of Divine approval gains/losses is accurate, it's not that tough to make that 10 up with Leliana.

I know, which is why I am giving it a try right now.

[MisterJB]

Those questions aren't answered by Cass' ending either. moot point.

The Circles are back. The infrastructure that used to mantain them are all still in place, having only been interrupted for a couple of years, and everyone knows what to do. Business as usual.

 

So, yeah. The only questions Cassandra's doesn't answer is what her reforms entail.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Subjective.

I don't think so. Cass' version causes a shadow war between mages while Leliana's version not only doesn't have conflict, but is says that the best qualities of mages are shown.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

The Circles are back. The infrastructure that used to mantain them are all still in place, having only been interrupted for a couple of years, and everyone knows what to do. Business as usual.

 

So, yeah. The only questions Cassandra's doesn't answer is what her reforms entail.

 

It makes Cass' ending sound even more conserved than Vivienne. at least Vivi's ending states she give more freedom and responsibility to mages. What exactly does Cass do differently, if anything?

[MisterJB]

I don't think so. Cass' version causes a shadow war between mages while Leliana's version not only doesn't have conflict, but is says that the best qualities of mages are shown.

 

Mages fighting each other is a positive ending. Keep your enemies focused on each other and ignoring you.

Not everyone has the same goals as you.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Mages fighting each other is a positive ending. Keep your enemies focused on each other and ignoring you.

Not everyone has the same goals as you.

What enemies? If you allied with the mages, Cass' ending said the circle and college wind up fighting. This likely means that siding with the mages with Cass as divine results in a split between loyalists and liberatarians. This is likely what the shadow war is. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Mages fighting each other is a positive ending. Keep your enemies focused on each other and ignoring you.

Not everyone has the same goals as you.

 

Yeah, positive in a twisted self serving sense. Makes for a good "sith lord" inquisitor.

 

I suppose we should remember our common ground in this thread. We are all agreeing the bright hand endings are the best. We are just split over who makes the best Divine.

[Milan92]

The thing is, I actually am in favor of mages gaining more freedom and responsibilities.

 

I just don't know if they can be trusted. Remember that a mage is more powerful than atleast 10 soldiers with weapons.

 

Who's to say some of them won't try and take over towns or go on murdersprees? Or is that their right?

[MisterJB]

It makes Cass' ending sound even more conserved than Vivienne. at least Vivi's ending states she give more freedom and responsibility to mages. What exactly does Cass do differently, if anything?

We don't know. Cassandra's ending is more of a return to the status quo than the other two with some reforms, only. But we don't know what those reforms entail.

At least, in the Templar side.

 

[MisterJB]

Yeah, positive in a twisted self serving sense. Makes for a good "sith lord" inquisitor.

 

I suppose we should remember our common ground in this thread. We are all agreeing the bright hand endings are the best. We are just split over who makes the best Divine.

This conflict was always about normals as a group fighting against mages as a group. It was, inherently, self serving.

 

The normals want mages in the Circle so they can live better lives. The mages want out so they can live better lives.

So, yes, mages busy fighting each other rather than united against normal-imposed status quo? Not bad ending.

 

However, I do not think the Bright Hand endings are the best. I'd rather side with the Templars, place Cass as Divine and she'll bring back the status quo with some reforms.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

The thing is, I actually am in favor of mages gaining more freedom and responsibilities.

 

I just don't know if they can be trusted. Remember that a mage is more powerful than atleast 10 soldiers with weapons.

 

Who's to say some of them won't try and take over towns or go on murdersprees? Or is that their right?

 

Hence why Leliana's bright hand ending is so awesome. Instead of the templars watching over mages, its the inquisition itself. This ending also helps explain the good reputation the mages earn, the work they do for the Inquisition helps build trust for mages around Thedas.

[Milan92]

Hence why Leliana's bright hand ending is so awesome. Instead of the templars watching over mages, its the inquisition itself. This ending also helps explain the good reputation the mages earn, the work they do for the Inquisition helps build trust for mages around Thedas.

 

But I suppose I'll have to side with the mages then? :/

 

Ugh, the thought of having to give in to Fiona.

[MisterJB]

Hence why Leliana's bright hand ending is so awesome. Instead of the templars watching over mages, its the inquisition itself. This ending also helps explain the good reputation the mages earn, the work they do for the Inquisition helps build trust for mages around Thedas.

 

I will point out that trust is dependant on them being conscripted by and forever remaining with a military organization.

That's like saying mages are trusted if they all just join the Grey Wardens. 
 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

But I suppose I'll have to side with the mages then? :/

 

Ugh, the thought of having to give in to Fiona.

Remember, your conscripting Fiona and her "free mages". Theres no need to forgive her for the choices she made. Make her pay for it through forced military service!

[Hero]

I get the feeling the people who say that Leliana's Bright Hand ending is unrealistic are taking it at face value. Just because it paints an optimistic image of things doesn't mean there aren't problems. The truth is each ending is probably going to have it's own host of problems. It's Thedas, remember. That's not to say things can't get better. I've seen settings that are much more cynical than Thedas. It's more of a World Half-Full than a true Crapsack World.

[Milan92]

Remember, your conscripting Fiona and her "free mages". Theres no need to forgive her for the choices she made. Make her pay for it through forced military service!

 

Hmmm.

 

I'll think about it

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I will point out that trust is dependant on them being conscripted by and forever remaining with a military organization.

That's like saying mages are trusted if they all just join the Grey Wardens. 
 

 

Actually, how the Inquisition is perceived is based on where you have the most perks. Its only a military organization if you place the most perks in Forces. Your inquisition can just as easily be secrets or connections based. Its even part of the epilogue slides!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

But I suppose I'll have to side with the mages then? :/

 

Ugh, the thought of having to give in to Fiona.

 

Or don't at all and just stick with templars.

 

I didn't let the the Mass Effect's team hamfisted attempt at shoving synthesis down my throat as the correct choice bother me and I won't let the Dragon Age team pull the same stunt.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Hmmm.

 

I'll think about it

 

Keep in mind that the reason that Vivienne gives her highest approval of any of the two allies through conscripting the mages its because your both saving mage lives but also acknowledging that Fiona and her rebels should be punished. It just not with a jail sentence. Leliana gives you a stern disproving talk afterwards for this reason.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Or don't at all and just stick with templars.

 

I didn't let the the Mass Effect's team hamfisted attempt at shoving synthesis down my throat as the correct choice bother me and I won't let the Dragon Age team pull the same stunt.

 

This is true. I should correct myself and say that the bright hand endings are the best for those that side with the mages.

 

The templars have their own list of potential endings.