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[thesuperdarkone2]

and distributed propaganda about their inherent superiority to mundanes...

While the Templars distributed propaganda saying how they were right to rebel and that they should kill all mages and anyone they think supports mages.

[MisterJB]

Yeah, from what we learn in the hinterlands, most of that was done by the Templars hunting for any mage "sympathizers". The rebel mages just took food and mostly hid.

 

No, we have at least one codex entry detailing how Templars stole food, then the mages came in and demanded food. When there was none to be found, they just started burning people.

 

 

[Br3admax]

Oh its about that.

Forcing rebellion on children isn't much better, tbh. If you support doing everything everyone said you would if given a little freedom, than you're a ******. At least consolidate power first.

[Steelcan]

While the Templars distributed propaganda saying how they were right to rebel and that they should kill all mages and anyone they think supports mages.

both rogue groups were bad news, no argument

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

and distributed propaganda about their inherent superiority to mundanes...

 

and shook down traders

 

Oh, and they hired mercenaries, if you are hiding, you don't bring in more people for the explicit purposes of fighting

 

All of that is better than the butchery the templars committed. After all they did, its the Templar order that doesn't deserve to exist.

[Steelcan]

Forcing rebellion on children isn't much better, tbh. If you support doing everything everyone said you would if given a little freedom, than you're a ******. At least consolidate power first.

"Give me liberty or give me death servitude to an insane Tevinter cult, oh you kids can come too!"

 

-Fiona

[Steelcan]

All of that is better than the butchery the templars committed. After all they did, its the Templar order that doesn't deserve to exist.

those were rogue templars from the order, and I do not condone their actions, I just don't see the rogue mages as any better

[thesuperdarkone2]

All of that is better than the butchery the templars committed. After all they did, its the Templar order that doesn't deserve to exist.

Don't forget how if Vivienne becomes Divine, the Templars could possibly refuse to serve her because she's a mage. Thus, as much as the Templar supporters like to believe that people like Barris are the majority, the Silver Shield ending clearly shows that the Templars still have mage-haters:

 

Templars remain scumbags and leave:

http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=13m30s

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Forcing rebellion on children isn't much better, tbh. If you support doing everything everyone said you would if given a little freedom, than you're a ******. At least consolidate power first.

 

They didn't force rebellion on children. The children don't fight. I believe this is part of the reason Fiona sought redcliffe as a haven for her free mages. She needed a place to keep safe those who could not fight.

[MisterJB]

Fiona is a righteous hero who fought against the sacrifice of freedom for security by sacrificing the freedom of mages for the security Tevinter provided.

[Steelcan]

They didn't force rebellion on children. The children don't fight. I believe this is part of the reason Fiona sought redcliffe as a haven for her free mages. She needed a place to keep safe those who could not fight.

they forced rebellion on every single mage in southern Thedas

[Milan92]

You keep throwing around links. How about actually coming up with arguments?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Fiona is a righteous hero who fought against the sacrifice of freedom for security by sacrificing the freedom of mages for the security Tevinter provided.

And the Templars are righteous heroes of simply wanted to commit mage genocide and were willing to take a substance known to cause homicidal insanity simply because a demon told them so.

[Br3admax]

those were rogue templars from the order, and I do not condone their actions, I just don't see the rogue mages as any better

Those rogue Templars were probably sent by the Chantry. Think about it.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

"Give me liberty or give me death servitude to an insane Tevinter cult, oh you kids can come too!"

 

-Fiona

 

LoL, she had no clue about the Venitori. And the cult seems to be able to control mages through magical ritual so once your in its too late.

[MisterJB]

Don't forget how if Vivienne becomes Divine, the Templars could possibly refuse to serve her because she's a mage. Thus, as much as the Templar supporters like to believe that people like Barris are the majority, the Silver Shield ending clearly shows that the Templars still have mage-haters:

 

Templars remain scumbags and leave:

http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=13m30s

Oh, we're back to "Mages can seek independence from Templars but Templars just have to accept being lead by a mage or they're scumbags"?

[Milan92]

Forcing rebellion on children isn't much better, tbh. If you support doing everything everyone said you would if given a little freedom, than you're a ******. At least consolidate power first.

Oh I agree.

[Steelcan]

And the Templars are righteous heroes of simply wanted to commit mage genocide and were willing to take a substance known to cause homicidal insanity simply because a demon told them so.

A. They didn't know it was a demon, wheras Fiona knew that Alexius was a Tevinter magister

B. We see firsthand that not all templars want to fight mages, we see several who want to protect mages, and many mages who want to be protected

[MisterJB]

And the Templars are righteous heroes of simply wanted to commit mage genocide and were willing to take a substance known to cause homicidal insanity simply because a demon told them so.

Strange, my Templars were defending villages from demons and mages from mobs.

[Br3admax]

LoL, she had no clue about the Venitori. And the cult seems to be able to control mages through magical ritual so once your in its too late.

Again, I'd very much like to see the proof anyone was controlled besides Wardens who needed to be.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

You keep throwing around links. How about actually coming up with arguments?

 

Why, this is a topic about whats the best mage ending. The templars have their own thread.

 

If you just really hate Fiona and love the templars thats fine. But for mage supporters, the bright hand under Leliana is arguably the best ending.

[Steelcan]

LoL, she had no clue about the Venitori. And the cult seems to be able to control mages through magical ritual so once your in its too late.

"RIght, I know Tevinter has a bad reputation, but these guys showed up with weapons and soldiers and all they want is for us to sell ourselves in slavery, Who's with me?"

[thesuperdarkone2]

Oh, we're back to "Mages can seek independence from Templars but Templars just have to accept being lead by a mage or they're scumbags"?

Difference is that the templars weren't oppressed by mages. I don't recall any instance of mages making templar tranquil or mages raping templars. Don't forget that Vivienne supports the templars and is willing to keep the order as is but they refuse to serve her just because she's a mage. Would you like it if the templars refused to join the inquisition if you played a mage?

[Lulupab]

This is a leaftlet sent from all rebel mages to various cities in Ferekden and Orlais:

 

Whereas the Circle was established not merely to protect the world from mages, but also to allow mages to practice their art safely and without fear whereas under Lord Seeker Lambert's command, the templars sworn to protect all people - including mages - from the harmful effects of magic, have instead persecuted mages with such biased judgment as to worsen the problems they were meant to mitigate, and,

 

Whereas the Rite of Tranquility intended as a tool of last resort to stop uncontrolled mages from hurting themselves or others, has instead been used for punitive and political purposes to silence dissent and inhibit civilized discourse, and,

 

Whereas Andraste herself intended the relationship between mage and templar to be one of practitioner and protector, not prisoner and jailer, and this contract has been broken, leaving mages in fear for their lives from those sworn to protect them,

 

Now, therefore, the Circle of Magi declares the following:

 

We, the mages of Ferelden and Orlais, do hereby dissolve the Circles and renounce our sworn submission to the Order of the Templars, effective immediately.

 

We reiterate Andraste's assertion that magic was made to serve man, not rule over him, and state unequivocally that we will use our abilities only to defend ourselves from those who would see us relinquish our lives and freedoms under the presumption of guilt for crimes we have not committed.

 

We condemn those practitioners of magic who, through illness of mind or understandable but misguided anger at those who oppressed them, would use their Maker-given powers to threaten innocent lives, and we pledge to aid any legitimate and impartial government in bringing these lawless apostates to justice.

 

We look earnestly to a future of cooperation between all peoples of Thedas, free from persecution and prejudice, and hope to build a better world alongside all who approach us with friendship instead of fear.

 

Yours in service to Andraste and the Maker,
The Free Mages of Thedas.

 

 

The Templar oaths actually have them swear they will protect mages.

[Steelcan]

The Templar oaths actually have them swear they will protect mages.

 

and then the mages turned to terrorism to get their point across, they are also sworn to guard the people from magic.