Again, I'd very much like to see the proof anyone was controlled besides Wardens who needed to be.
Hmm, your right. It might be just the warden through their taint that were controlled. In which case, Fiona made a deal with the devil to try to save her people. Eh, turns out badly for her in that case. Regards, it doesn't happen if you rescue Fiona so a moot point.
Hmm, your right. It might be just the warden through their taint that were controlled. In which case, Fiona made a deal with the devil to try to save her people. Eh, turns out badly for her in that case. Regards, it doesn't happen if you rescue Fiona so a moot point.
its absolutely not moot, she was willing to sell her own people into slavery in exchange for security against an imagine thread
hypocrisy thy name is Fiona
and then the mages turned to terrorism to get their point across, they are also sworn to guard the people from magic.
yes, so lets go hunt down all mages indiscriminately because theres a rebellion. Makes sense.
Apparently people forget that Fiona's first choice was to negotiate with the Inquisition but that Alexius used time magic so that he offered the alliance right after the explosion at the Conclave. People blame Fiona but if the situations were reversed, would you still support the same side.
Say if Fiona was replaced by Envy and he tricked the mages into becoming indentured to the Venatori while the Templars willingly allied with the Red Templars and the Templars willingly took red lyrium, who would you still support. People like to blame Fiona for her mistake but I wonder how many would still blame mages if they were tricked while whitewashing the templars of any wrong if they did something equally stupid.
Source doing this happened?yes, so lets go hunt down all mages indiscriminately because theres a rebellion. Makes sense.
yes, so lets go hunt down all mages indiscriminately because theres a rebellion. Makes sense.
And what about all those mages who didnt want the rebellion and died because that? Or does only Fiona's opinion matter
yes, so lets go hunt down all mages indiscriminately because theres a rebellion. Makes sense.
Fiona declared all Circles null and void, they are all apostates except for those remaining with Vivienne
Its part of their oath to deal with this
and then the
magesa mage turned to terrorism to get his point across, they are also sworn to guard the people from magic.
And they failed in both of their duties respectively. if all mages have to pay for Anders' crimes then all Templars have to pay for Meredith's crimes. Its only fair.
its absolutely not moot, she was willing to sell her own people into slavery in exchange for security against an imagine thread
hypocrisy thy name is Fiona
She was tricked. I suppose you'd have been happy if Fiona had her free mages fight to the death alone. A much better ending.
Lets not forget that its the real Fiona we meet at val royeaux. Her first choice was to seek aid from the inquisition. its only because of the Alexius'' time spell that Fiona is trick into servitude.
Lambert turned it into a situation where it's death or tranquility and nothing in between.
Difference is that the templars weren't oppressed by mages. I don't recall any instance of mages making templar tranquil or mages raping templars.
I can post dozens of instances mages committed an atrocity against non-mages here. We can even select only those committed against Templars.
Normal people in general and Templars in particular have plenty of grievances against mages. If you place greater value on grievances mages have against Templars then that is your own bias in action.
Lambert turned it into a situation where it's death or tranquility and nothing in between. No matter what the mages did in that situation, they would have gotten the short end of the stick...so they decided to vote - and they chose to fight. And it was the right decision, or we would have "Kirkwall circles" all across southern Thedas. I respect Fiona for that.
a choice made under duress does not represent one given of their own free will, Fiona and Lambert both forced the situation. Fiona poked the bear, then made everyone else run with her, even though she was repeatedly told not to wake it.
The fact that only the barest majority of mages voted for the independence is telling.
That'd actually be the one who turned down the chance for peace.
Fiona.
Lambert disbanded college of enchanters therefore killing any chance for diplomacy.
inb4 your justify this act with your bias which I will ignore.
And they failed in both of their duties respectively. if all mages have to pay for Anders' crimes then all Templars have to pay for Meredith's crimes. Its only fair.
I'm not talking about Anders and Kirkwall, that was a travesty no argument, but when the actual Circles start rising up, then its more justifiable
Fiona declared all Circles null and void, they are all apostates except for those remaining with Vivienne
Its part of their oath to deal with this
They broke their oath when the left the chantry. Following only part of your oath isn't legit at all.
They broke their oath when the left the chantry. Following only part of your oath isn't legit at all.
I think one of the Chantry sisters in Haven said it best:
"We wanted them to treat mages more fairly and they rebelled for it."
She was tricked. I suppose you'd have been happy if Fiona had her free mages fight to the death alone. A much better ending.
Lets not forget that its the real Fiona we meet at val royeaux. Her first choice was to seek aid from the inquisition. its only because of the Alexius'' time spell that Fiona is trick into servitude.
She wasn't tricked about Alexius being a tevinter mage, her being too stupid to bother checking if the templars really were coming for them is just a frther condemnation of her abilities.
We don't know if that was the real Fiona, it could have been an Envy demon as I've seen argued previously, and it would make sense. They needed to get the Inquisitor to visit the mages to try and trap him
No, we have at least one codex entry detailing how Templars stole food, then the mages came in and demanded food. When there was none to be found, they just started burning people.
I remember reading both happening actually. One where the mages came for some food and left and then the templars came in and starting hunting for anyone who provides aid to the mages.
They broke their oath when the left the chantry. Following only part of your oath isn't legit at all.
They left an organization that no longer supported them in order to carry out their duty. The Chantry prevented them from fulfilling their oath
I think one of the Chantry sisters in Haven said it best:
"We wanted them to treat mages more fairly and they rebelled for it."
except that's not what happened at all...
like in any way shape or form
I'm not talking about Anders and Kirkwall, that was a travesty no argument, but when the actual Circles start rising up, then its more justifiable
Lambert turned it into a situation where it's death or tranquility and nothing in between. No matter what the mages did in that situation, they would have gotten the short end of the stick...so they decided to vote - and they chose to fight. And it was the right decision, or we would have "Kirkwall circles" all across southern Thedas now. I respect Fiona for that.
"Ah yes, the joy of seeing everyone tear into eachother like a bunch of wild animals. Score one for humanity!"
Hero said, his voice dripping with sarcasm.
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