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Ah, I see.

I havent read Asunder, so I only know the basics.

Well, Barquiel is missing much information.

 

The Divine commissioned research into the Rite of Tranquility and ordered Wynne to do whatever was necessary to make sure information regarding any results that were produced spread to all Circles before Lambert could supress it.

She did so and the Divine agreed to call a conclave of all First Enchanters to determine what was to be done with the Rite.

 

Before the conclave, Adrian tried to convince Rhys to convince Wynne to vote for war. Rhys thinks to himself that it is typical of Adrian to send others to do the dirty work while she reaps the fruits of the labor and refuses.

During the conclave, Fiona immediately hijacks it by proposing a vote for the separation of the Circles which was not the matter on table. Then, before the vote can be cast, Lambert marches in, accuses Rhys of murdering Pharamont and dozens other mages (the mage who discovered how to reverse Tranquility) for a bloody knife was found under his bed and demands the conclave cease because they were suggesting treason.

The mages refuse on both accounts and Lambert orders the Templars detain them.

During the fight one First Enchanter tried to surrender but is accidentally killed (and the books goes to length to explain the Templar who ran her through and young and had expected her to defend herself) and then both mages and Templars begin fighting to kill.

The Templars win and Lambert captures them but does not execute or Tranquilise a single one. Rather, he explain his theory to Rhys. That Cole had been mind controlling Rhys to commit the murders which, as it turns out, was absolutely true. The only murder he was innocent of was Pharamond's because that one had been committed by Adrian who then framed Rhys.

 

Afterwards, the Divine coordinates a "rescue" efforts in which many Templars are killed. The Divine! Killing Templars!

So, perhaps telling her to see how she'd fare without Templars was the right thing to do.



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Fiona was hated before Asunder. Asunder just made the hatred against her worse.

 

Me: wow, after reading the books I sure hope we get to see Fiona in the game eventualy

 

*reads the BSN*

 

Me: But but...............*tears*



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. I think there three

 

Democracy.

Keep calling for the same vote over and over until you get the result you want at which point you'll declare that one valid forever.



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Rather, he explain his theory to Rhys. That Cole had been mind controlling Rhys to commit the murders which, as it turns out, was absolutely true. The only murder he was innocent of was Pharamond's because that one had been committed by Adrian who then framed Rhys.

 

 

Actually, Lambert was partially right. Cole didn't mind control Rhys. Cole killed those mages himself in a misguided attempt to help them. Cole tells the Inquisitor this himself in game.



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I'm probably wasting energy trying to get everyone to calm down and be civil aren't I?


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Democracy.

Keep calling for the same vote over and over until you get the result you want at which point you'll declare that one valid forever.

 

lol, that at all what happened. Nice try though.



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I'm probably wasting energy trying to get you all to calm down and be civil aren't I?

 

Probably but its much appreciated. As I said, I didn't mean this to be an argument over which is better, siding with Mages or Templars.

 

I was originally just excited that Leliana can get  the bright hand ending as well and argued it was better under Leliana than Cass.

 

If you prefer the templar endings, thats perfectly ok. Theres even a thread for templar supporters.



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lol, that at all what happened. Nice try though.

repeatedly holding votes for the same goal,only to have them shot down until you manufacture a situation in which the mages are forced to go along with an insane plan.
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Actually, Lambert was partially right. Cole didn't mind control Rhys. Cole killed those mages himself in a misguided attempt to help them. Cole tells the Inquisitor this himself in game.

 

That is up for debate. Rhys himself says he thinks he killed all those people by the end of the book. Lambert presents a good argument and Cole's mind was not stable at the time. It's entirely possibly Cole did mind control Rhys to commit the murders without even realizing.
 



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repeatedly holding votes for the same goal,only to have them shot down until you manufacture a situation in which the mages are forced to go along with an insane plan.

 

An insane plan that works out perfectly with the bright hand Leliana ending. Thank you bioware. ;)



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I'm probably wasting energy trying to get everyone to calm down and be civil aren't I?

This is actually a very civil argument.

No one has been called a rapist yet or anything.


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Lol @ people who think making their hated mages tranquil is actual punishment. As much as I'm against it, the victim will not feel guilt, will not feel any pain etc... they will have a life of tranquility and I don't think some mages deserve that. After all rite of tranquility was used as mercy against mages who deserved to live but were dangerous. Erimond for example doesn't deserve to live in peace without anything ever bothering him again. 



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That is up for debate. Rhys himself says he thinks he killed all those people by the end of the book. Lambert presents a good argument and Cole's mind was not stable at the time. It's entirely possibly Cole did mind control Rhys to commit the murders without even realizing.
 

 

Considering how biased Lambert was and how much we learn about Cole in DA: I, I'm going to side with Cole's account over Lambert.

 

Its ok, Cole. I trust you.



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Considering how biased Lambert was and how much we learn about Cole in DA: I, I'm going to side with Cole's account over Lambert.

 

Its ok, Cole. I trust you.

 

By very nature, he is incapable of lying anyhow. He cannot pretend or keep up a ruse.



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This is actually a very civil argument.

No one has been called a rapist yet or anything.

 

Amusingly, by BSN standards, this is very civil since no one has called anyone else names nor has anyone made a personal comment of any kind.



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By very nature, he is incapable of lying anyhow. He cannot pretend or keep up a ruse.

 

In fact, several of Cole's banters point out his complete inability to understand the concept of lying or joking.



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Amusingly, by BSN standards, this is very civil since no one has called anyone else names nor has anyone made a personal comment of any kind.

 

There is a clear difference between aggressive arguments and offensive arguments. We deal with the former here.



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Turns out the mages form the Bright Hand if they are conscripted and Leliana becomes Divine, and it turns out to be way better than Cass' version. Problem?

 

http://youtu.be/fdaT9hu0Vr0?t=11m22s

 

Interesting. In my opinion, it seems much better than the outcome where Cassandra becomes Divine, although I still prefer having the Inquisition ally with the mages, who establish the College of Enchanters and find solutions to problems that the Chantry controlled Circles never bothered to address in a millennium.


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Interesting. In my opinion, it seems much better than the outcome where Cassandra becomes Divine, although I still prefer having the Inquisition ally with the mages, who establish the College of Enchanters and find solutions to problems that the Chantry controlled Circles never bothered to address in a millennium.

 

The chantry never offered actual aid to anyone, only palliatives.



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Interesting. In my opinion, it seems much better than the outcome where Cassandra becomes Divine, although I still prefer having the Inquisition ally with the mages, who establish the College of Enchanters and find solutions to problems that the Chantry controlled Circles never bothered to address in a millennium.

 

And what problems would these be?

I mean, it is one thing to not like the Chantry's solution but "never bothered to address"?
 



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Interesting. In my opinion, it seems much better than the outcome where Cassandra becomes Divine, although I still prefer having the Inquisition ally with the mages, who establish the College of Enchanters and find solutions to problems that the Chantry controlled Circles never bothered to address in a millennium.

If you are pro mage then Leliana is definitely the choice , i dont believe we needed this video to confirm that , Cassandra is for people who , while they still believe that mages shouldnt suffer , dont quite trust them yet.


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I'm probably wasting energy trying to get everyone to calm down and be civil aren't I?


Sadly, yes.

I say let them fight. (Godzilla)

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If you are pro mage then Leliana is definitely the choice , i dont believe we needed this video to confirm that , Cassandra is for people who , while they still believe that mages shouldnt suffer , dont quite trust them yet.

 

Thats a very good way to put it.



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If you are pro mage then Leliana is definitely the choice , i dont believe we needed this video to confirm that , Cassandra is for people who , while they still believe that mages shouldnt suffer , dont quite trust them yet.

And Viv is for what kind of people?



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And Viv is for what kind of people?

People who thought the old system was totally fine as it was.


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