I really wonder how the Divine choice will be handled in future installments/possible DLCs.
They're many variations (for example, I had a full mage alliance with Cass as Divine in my 1st playthrough, then Leliana with Templar conscripts).
Chances are it will be reduced to one paragraph in a Codex entry.
it kinda was in general. Its only been 40 yrs in dragon. So for all we know the circle problems are recent issue over the past x years.People who thought the old system was totally fine as it was.
Lambert disbanded college of enchanters
I really wonder how the Divine choice will be handled in future installments/possible DLCs.
They're many variations (for example, I had a full mage alliance with Cass as Divine in my 1st playthrough, then Leliana with Templar conscripts).
Chances are it will be reduced to one paragraph in a Codex entry.
I'd prefer if that happen and the next game moves up north to say Tevinter.
If its just a codex entry then theres less chance a mistake will be made to contradict what headcanon. Just look at how upset people have gotten over how hawk acts and how its not exactly how they imagine their hawk would act.
And Viv is for what kind of people?
Actually, I think Cass is for the status quo, just without the corruption. Vivi is for people who believe that mages can handle more power and responsibility, especially inside the church itself, but that the circle/templar system worked and shouldn't be discarded.
it kinda was in general. Its only been 40 yrs in dragon. So for all we know the circle problems are recent issue over the past x years.
I say this a pro-magic fan
theres only been 17-18 cases of annulment . And aledren's resistance is sketchy somwhatThe Rights of Annulment and Aldenon's resistance movement against the Chantry controlled Circles and the templars would suggest that there have been problems for centuries.
The Rights of Annulment
Are normally only employed when a circle is beyond saving.
Hell even Kirkwall's in hindsight was justified.
Not really no. You can't use people defending themselves against an unjustified annulment as proof to justify it.
That's the same sort of ass-backwards logic Meredith employed which led to the situation in the first place.
Hell people in DAI all say that Meredith's RoA was unjustified. Cassandra, Cullen, etc.
Cullen was there, in fact.
Actually not once, not once was it labeled unjust by either of them.Not really no. You can't use people defending themselves against an unjustified annulment as proof to justify it.
That's the same sort of ass-backwards logic Meredith employed which led to the situation in the first place.
Hell people in DAI all say that Meredith's RoA was unjustified. Cassandra, Cullen, etc.
Cullen was there, in fact.
Actually not once, not once was it labeled unjust by either of them.
Either in DAI or 2.
Also do you think the majority of the enchanters being corrupt is a baseless stance? Orsino being corrupt?
The rampant blood magic usage, The summoning of demons, again and again this corruption is proven and proven again.
Cullen holds resentment for not seeing through Meredith being driven mad by red lyrium, and apart from him questioning her on killing mages that surrendered offers nothing against the annulment.
Cassandra doesn't even offer that, she just regrets the inaction of her order allowed Anders to act and kick off the war.
She didn't dismiss Meredith's grounds.
That circle was a ****ing festering pit that needed to be purged.
The difference is that Gaider confirmed that the mages there were completely innocent of any involvement with Anders. Thus, Meredith is only annuling the circle because she has gone completely insane and is in full mage-hater mode. Heck, if Karras is alive you find out she already called for the Annulment at the start of Act 3.
You forget that Cass outright says that Meredith's actions were corrupt and that the Seekers not stopping her resulted in the chaos that followed. Honestly, killing everyone for something they didn't even do will never be right. Funny how the Templars betray Hawke if Hawke sided with them, which means who was really corrupt?
The difference is that Gaider confirmed that the mages there were completely innocent of any involvement with Anders.
Actually that was Justinia.
Pretty sure Lambert gave the order after the first meeting.
So it's alright to just pretend their crimes didn't happen then?
The rest of the post is irrelevant.
Cullen blatantly said its unjust though, maybe you pretended not to hear it?
Crimes happening =/= justifications for annulment. It was nothing close to what happened at Ferelden and more importantly what happened after the order of annulment was given is absolutely irrelevant. Before the order of annulment the circle was not justified to be annulled in any shape or form.
So it's alright to just pretend their crimes didn't happen then?
The rest of the post is irrelevant.
What crimes though? Do we ever get any indication of the terrible things that the mages supposedly did to deserve such treatment? Half of the "crimes" that the Mages were supposedly "guilty" of in the Gallows that we do hear about from Cullen and others, were so minor it's frankly baffling that the Seekers didn't step in sooner to do something, something that Cassandra acknowledges as being a major screw-up on their part and which Cullen regrets having not spoken up about sooner.
Take Maddox for example, who was made Tranquil simply because he had "corrupted a Templar's moral integrity" by getting Samson to pass innocent love letters to his sweetheart. If that's not enough of an example of how draconian Meredith was, I don't know what is?
What crimes though? Do we ever get any indication of the terrible things that the mages supposedly did to deserve such treatment?
What crimes though? Do we ever get any indication of the terrible things that the mages supposedly did to deserve such treatment? Half of the "crimes" that the Mages were supposedly "guilty" of in the Gallows that we do hear about from Cullen and others, were so minor it's frankly baffling that the Seekers didn't step in sooner to do something, something that Cassandra acknowledges as being a major screw-up on their part and which Cullen regrets having not spoken up about sooner.
Take Maddox for example, who was made Tranquil simply because he had "corrupted a Templar's moral integrity" by getting Samson to pass innocent love letters to his sweetheart. If that's not enough of an example of how draconian Meredith was, I don't know what is?
Also mages could be beaten for talking to civilians. And tranquility requires both the Knight-Commander's and the First Enchanter's signature to be authorized, yet trick Kerras away and three will be made tranquil at random as an example. Or executed at random if they agree to go back.
The punishments mages suffered did not match the crime committed, heck sometimes it can't even be called crimes in the first place.
Being lulz evil blood mages isn't enough?
Passing on a note and asking a templar to deliver it = tranquility?
Talking to a civilian = flogging?
Agreeing to come back to the Circle = three mages executed at ranom as examples?
I don't think any of these things is equal to the response by Meredith.
I seriously hope Master Warder never gets into a position of authority.
Passing on a note and asking a templar to deliver it = tranquility?
Talking to a civilian = flogging?
Agreeing to come back to the Circle = three mages executed at ranom as examples?
I don't think any of these things is equal to the response by Meredith.
fate would dictate other wise haha. But the same could be said about some of my pro-mage colleaguesI seriously hope Master Warder never gets into a position of authority.
Consulting with demons, using forbidden magic, killing the innocent, murder, oh lets not forget about the insane serial killer orsino let terrorize the city for the sake of research notes.
You have abuses, and then you have mass corruption.
Are those greviences? Absolutely, do they save the Circle?
No.
The situation in Kinloch was actually worse than Kirkwall, and yet total liquidation was deemed unnecessary.
Not to mention, the Templar Order at the Gallows is also deeply and chronically corrupt, but I already know you wouldn't call for their extermination.
I seriously hope Master Warder never gets into a position of authority.
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