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#926
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Well the office of the Archon is to weak for it to really matter if he did something extremely weaksauce like "No more Emperors, all power to the Senate" Like that pleb Maximus did.
Damnit Maximus there was still some good ones to come!

How insolent you are! He is not a pleb, he is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And he will have his vengeance, in this life or the next! he was a General who became a slave, a slave who became a Gladiator, a Gladiator who defied a emperor!



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How insolent you are! He is not a pleb, he is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And he will have his vengeance, in this life or the next! he was a General who became a slave, a slave who became a Gladiator, a Gladiator who defied a emperor!

Guys actions would have cost us Emperors Trajan, Hadrian, Aurelian  and Constantine. Thats only naming a few. Thats a pure straight A Pleb move right there. And what do we get in return? The Senate? The Senate?!?! Is this a bad joke?
 



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Yours maybe, Mine'll be crushing the uprisings, performing the needed purges against the enemies of Divine Vivienne and Emperor Gaspard. Then theres all those other Thedosian nations I don't exert enough influence over yet.

Well enjoy being a tool in the Game.


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#929
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Oh yeah, won't dispute that. The look on the Magisterium's face alone would be priceless. But it would likely have some far reaching consequences.


Like kicking off revolts and crack downs across Tevinter?

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You did play a game in which you are a member of an organization that was re-established on the orders of a now-dead Divine.  And the two women who did so were both hands of said Divine.

 

Furthermore, not all Templars abandoned the Chantry.  There are ones in Haven who still take orders from Cassandra.

 

Who were also declared heretics as well because of their association with the Herald of Andraste, and it's mentioned more than once that the organization is independent of the Chantry. As for the templars in Inquisition, they aren't part of the Chantry anymore, as Cullen explicitly points out during a confrontation between a mage and a templar (and they technically follow Cullen, who is their commander).


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#931
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Well enjoy being a tool in the Game.

 

Darling, you lead an institution built on political alliances and composed of the faithful willing to kill for anything from morality to 'stability.'

 

We are all tools in the Game. Especially the ones who wish the most to be outside of it.


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Darling, you lead an institution built on political alliances and composed of the faithful willing to kill for anything from morality to 'stability.'

 

We are all tools in the Game. Especially the ones who wish the most to be outside of it.

That's no excuse for handing it to them on a silver platter. If that's how you want your Inquisitor to spend his time, by all means.


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#933
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That's no excuse for handing it to them on a silver platter. If that's how you want your Inquisitor to spend his time, by all means.

 

You are already on the silver platter. You are the silver platter.


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You are already on the silver platter. You are the silver platter.

 

Hence why i think the Inquisition should disband.



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Who were also declared heretics as well because of their association with the Herald of Andraste, and it's mentioned more than once that the organization is independent of the Chantry. As for the templars in Inquisition, they aren't part of the Chantry anymore, as Cullen explicitly points out during a confrontation between a mage and a templar (and they technically follow Cullen, who is their commander).

Yes, I am aware of the declarations of heresy and the fact that is an independent organization, as you and others here have pointed out.  

 

Yet whether you like it or not, it was established by decree of Divine Justinia V for the sole purpose of cleaning up the mess left by the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi because the clergy is incapable of exerting its will due to the loss of its military forces and the Seekers.  

 

Hence, it is a prosthetic limb that forwards the interests of the Orlesian Chantry despite being separate from it.  



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Yes, I am aware of the declarations of heresy and the fact that is an independent organization, as you and others here have pointed out.  

 

Yet whether you like it or not, it was established by decree of Divine Justinia V for the sole purpose of cleaning up the mess left by the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi because the clergy is incapable of exerting its will due to the loss of its military forces and the Seekers.  

 

Hence, it is a prosthetic limb that forwards the interests of the Orlesian Chantry despite being separate from it.  

 

Except if the Inquisitor doesn't support the new Divine, as we know from the example of Vivienne serving as Divine without the support of the Inquisition.



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I read some posters saying that Cassandra wouldn't make a good Divine specifically because she is the type of person who would not just sit still. That she is to much of a "go getter". Thing is though; that is another reason why she would make a perfect Divine. She won't just sit idly by and hope that all is going well with her decisions. No she will get in there and make damn sure that **** is getting done!



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K since with trespasser out can anyone tell me what happens to bright hand in trespasser? Do they continue? do they evolve into a college of enchanters.

I ask this because inquisition can disband in trespasser.



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rre:  Orsino

 

Serious question....what SHOULD be the punishment for Orsino if it was found out he had been exchanging notes/letters with the blood mage killer Quentin?

 

As an aside, how would the bright hand prevent a Quentin in the first place? This _IS_ Thedas and there are lots of ways to die horribly outside of the mage/Templar conflict - given that there's no indication of Quentin's wife dying because  of it, I would assume something else killed her.



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Wow....I did not know such ending exist. Now, I'm considering going for this in my next play-through, but alas Ser Barris awesomeness and Templar's willingness to atone for their mistakes convince me that I should keep my pro-Templar play-through as canon. :P

LMFAO! Thanks I needed a good laugh. Tempars willingness to atone! The first thing they do when you bring them into the Inquisition is to demand the life/freedom of every mage in the Inquisition on the off chance there are a few who might be bad.



#941
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Wow. I haven't seen a necro this old and hilariously mis-aimed since Lobsel wanted to have the last word in an elf argument.


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Wow. I haven't seen a necro this old and hilariously mis-aimed since Lobsel wanted to have the last word in an elf argument.


Technically Lob didn't do that as he had been off the board for months and responded as he normally would've, and didn't give thought to how long the thread was dead.

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Ah the thread that began thedarknightreturns downfall. Good times

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Technically Lob didn't do that as he had been off the board for months and responded as he normally would've, and didn't give thought to how long the thread was dead.

 

It's always a good defense when 'Technically -x- didn't do that' is followed by 'did exactly that.'

 

"Technically I didn't rob the store at night, I just wasn't there all day and helped myself to the goods like I normally would have without giving thought to business hours."

 

"Technically he didn't hurt anyone, he just sent them to a hospital and didn't give any thought about whether they'd need painkillers."

 

"Technically she didn't have an affair, she just went to  bed as she normally would have and didn't give thought to how her wife was out of town."

 

Funny no matter the context.



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Maybe the thread should be renamed the College of Enchanters given what happens at the end of Trespasser

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Ah the thread that began thedarknightreturns downfall. Good times

I wonder why he was banned? I liked talking to him.



#947
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I wonder why he was banned? I liked talking to him.


Because he made a thread dedicated solely to insulting me because he was butthurt that I dared have a different opinion than him.

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Some of you may be wondering what the Bright Hand is. It's the new Circle of Magi formed under Divine Victoria I (Cassandra) with the explicit purpose of avoiding or rectifying the mistakes that led to the Mage-Templar War.

 

Why 'the Bright Hand'? I believe it's named in honor of the Herald of Andraste who conscripted the mages into military service and showed the world that they could be more than sheltered researchers leashed to and who's every action is controlled by the Chantry.

 

After the defeat of Corypheus the Bright Hand uses it's alliance with the Inquisition to push for sorely needed reforms. As to what their purpose will now be... I imagine something akin to the Jedi Order. Neutral diplomats and peacekeepers with martial training focused on keeping stability in southern Thedas. Mages ill suited to fighting will join the Hand's medical and research corps.

 

As a result of the Bright Hand's creation malcontents unsatisfied with Victoria I's reforms and various maleficarum band together in opposition of this great order. They wage a war in the shadows 

 

I believe that this is the best possible ending for the mages. The Circle is still governed by the Chantry, but they have unprecedented autonomy and the responsibilities that come with it. No more cowering and complaining about oppression or rights. Time to contribute to Thedas and in turn earn the respect and admiration of the people.

 

As for what conditions are required for the Bright Hand ending... A couple of people are still working through it. So far what is known is that Cassandra becoming Divine and the conscription of the Circle of Magi are absolutely required. Some people believe it may also require a mage Inquisitor.

 

"...is still governed by the chantry." - NOPE!

 

Sorry, but I dislike/hate the chantry (hate having to work with them in DA:I and having watched the latest DLC on YT (not buying DLC for games I am not satisfied with (I have every DLC for DA:O and Mass Effect 2 for example because I loved both games!)) I hate having to practically destroy the Inquisition so that it can become a shadow of itself, a glorified guard force for the divine (my Inquisitor would never agree, but the game - if I had the DLC that is - railroads you into that!) - more or less stepping into the templars' shoes as the divine's army! (as much as I like Leliana as my divine as she grants the mages - TOTAL! - autonomy, I mean my warden, my Hawke and my Inquisitor are all mages, so why would they want to be lead around on a leash held by the ****** chantry who let the templars abuse their brethren?), so no deal!

 

I mean there's untamed lands (like the "wilds" from the first game) where no country really has any influence/control (so basically they claim ownership but can't/don't enforce it), so why not give that to the mages and have them make their own country there (mages born everywhere else are collected by mages from mage-country embassies (basically circles without apprentices and not under the control of the country they are in or the chantry!) and shipped there (and only allowed to enter other countries after they've completed their training), that would work for all involved (those countries get rid of uncontrolled mages, the mages get an independent state and those countries can also rest assured that no tribes from the wilds will ever invade them again (they'd have to fight their way past the mage state which is unlikely!)

 

greetings LAX

ps: Is that canon/canon contingent on Cassy becoming the new divine? - I hope not, because I don't think mages would (and should!) agree to that lazy ass compromise (they were willing to risk certain death (upon capture by the templars) to gain autonomy and - let's face it: basic human rights - what they are getting (basically circle 2.0) isn't what they fought for, it's trying to ****** bribe them into becoming good little doggies again (the chantry wants to keep the power the mages give it and the income the sale of enchanted items provides, so of course they aren't offering independence - Cassy is basically a templar and can't jump out of her skin (her family was killed by mages, too so she can't and probably never will trust them!))...un-acceptable!)



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*is only here to read comments. Laughs, and eats some popcorn while doing so*

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You know, they should call it the Blight Hand! Strike fear into the hearts of rebels and mage haters!