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[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

No. There are just as many good mages as there are bad ones.
 
Being oppressive is just as dangerous. I'd personally be far more inclined, as a mage-indentified player, to support extremist behaviors in a situation where my basic human rights are being denied on the basis of, "Oh, you could do something bad."

Is not like most mages had a horrific life, they had shelter, food & education while most regular peasants like Sera for example went hungary & had little education, id guess alot of people who deal with the constant threat of starvation or worse, would look at a circle mages life & be envious

[Sylvianus]

Its not in anymore danger than other divines, specially Vivienne who gets immediate uproars and rebellions one after another for several months.

 

Maybe. But Leliana didn't resolve anything, she just disbanded the templars or any police without caring about how we should deal with safety problems, she told, do whatever the hell you want, be free among our people. That's it. It would have better to care about prejudices and safety problems at the same time, like Vivienne and Cassandra did actually, regardless of their solutions and the differences between them. 

 

It's unrealistic to me to read that immediately people stopped to fear mages after centuries to fear them, especially when there is nobody to monitor them anymore. Maybe  " for now ", people don't fear mages, but once that some of them will turn into powerful abominations, be a disaster with a destructive scale in their cities, I wonder if the common folks will still think that they aren't a danger at all. 

[Sports72Xtrm]

Is not like most mages had a horrific life, they had shelter, food & education while most regular peasants like Sera for example went hungary & had little education, id guess alot of people who deal with the constant threat of starvation or worse, would look at a circle mages life & be envious

Yeah slaves in Tevinter get the same treatment too... So in a way, the Circles are sort of like benign slavery except mages have innate abilities like magic they can used as a commodity to help them survive where as peasants are just dirty useless mundanes. So the Circle is kind of like unnecessary slavery for mages too stupid to realize they don't have to be co-dependent on mundanes.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Maybe. But Leliana didn't resolve anything, she just disbanded the templars or any police without caring about how we should deal with safety problems, she told, do whatever the hell you want, be free among our people. That's it. It would have better to care about prejudices and safety problems at the same time, like Vivienne and Cassandra did actually, regardless of their solutions and the differences between them. 

 

It's unrealistic to me to read that immediately people stopped to fear mages after centuries to fear them, especially when there is nobody to monitor them anymore. Maybe  " for now ", people don't fear mages, but once that some of them will turn into powerful abominations, be a disaster with a destructive scale in their cities, I wonder if the common folks will still think that they aren't a danger at all. 

Did cassandra or vivienne's ways change anything? If anything, this confirms that Cassandra is the Harrowmont divine, she didn't solve the mage problem she put a bandaid on it in hopes of hiding the festering wound. But the mages will either revolt again or pull a palpatine and pry concessions out Cassandra or future divines until the Sunburst throne is nothing but a guilded chair. And in vivienne's ending, the chantry is destroyed or she becomes the emperor palpatine.

 

At least Leliana's ending was open to interpretation with hope of resolution where as Cassandra and Vivienne is like explicit facepalm.

[Sports72Xtrm]

As far as I know, it's not slavery. Imprisonment, yes.. but I don't think they need to actually do any work besides study. For example, Wynne had a problem with Uldred because he kept to himself and didn't care to mentor anyone. It tells me that he was free to tell everyone to **** off.

studying is work. You have to pass the exam or else the templars put a big sword through you. You have to face a demon. You are pressured to serve the Chantry or its anathema. It's slavery in all but all but name.

 

Speaking of Uldred, wasn't he a loyalist who caught blood mages for Irving? Obviously he was part of the Circle tower's inner Circle, for Irving and Gregoir so he didn't just told everyone to sod off.

[Sports72Xtrm]

What now? I never heard of getting stabbed for not studying. They just remain weak ranked apprentices. 

 

As for facing a demon, I always thought that was smart. Even the Chasind have a Harrowing ritual, and they're not part of any Circle.

Yeah well it's easy to say life is easy when your barmitsvah doesn't involve a duel to the death with some demon.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Maybe. But Leliana didn't resolve anything, she just disbanded the templars or any police without caring about how we should deal with safety problems, she told, do whatever the hell you want, be free among our people. That's it. It would have better to care about prejudices and safety problems at the same time, like Vivienne and Cassandra did actually, regardless of their solutions and the differences between them. 

 

It's unrealistic to me to read that immediately people stopped to fear mages after centuries to fear them, especially when there is nobody to monitor them anymore. Maybe  " for now ", people don't fear mages, but once that some of them will turn into powerful abominations, be a disaster with a destructive scale in their cities, I wonder if the common folks will still think that they aren't a danger at all. 

 

She doesn't say do whatever the hell you want. She gives mages the chance to prove they can handle their own freedom. Not to mention, a reformed Seekers of Truth would be handling fighting demons and abominations. its what their powerset revolves around.

[Sports72Xtrm]

It's going to happen sooner or later. Demons and spirits are part of advancing in magic. They have a constant waking connection to the Fade. But they have learn how to shut out voices and exercise Willpower to draw froim it. The first real lesson is to confront these demons for what they are.

Yeah well pretty sure it'd be easier for mages if they aren't frighten to death with the templars all threatening them menacingly in the tower and revoking their human rights. A demon is just a spirit who reflects a person's worse traits.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I don't think it's that simple. The only Templars we talk about it to are Alistair and Cullen.. and they're just as troubled about the whole ordeal.

Alistair and Cullen- the two templars who left the Order because they thought the system what shite? Alistair didn't even like imprisoning or hunting mages and Cullen came around to realizing that distrust of mages in general only led to the Kirkwall Crisis. They should be cautionary tales that the Circle imprisonment isn't an answer,

[zeypher]

Btw can i ask what happens to the mages if i conscripted them and made leliana divine. My character is not a mage.

[Kinsz]

My preferred best ending is one where Cassandra enacts reforms without Fiona around to make yet another separatist movement that will inevitably lead to violent clashes with its parent.  So templars recruited for me.  If I could have mages without Fiona, I'd do it, but I can't.  She's got to go.  

Yea she is one of the reasons i stopped siding with mages as well, her idiocy cannot be described.

[AtreiyaN7]

Interesting. I was a mage, made Cass the Divine, and allied with the mages. I don't recall the Bright Hand being mentioned in the epilogue, though. I'll load my older save from Inquisitor #1 to check the epilogue again.

[Lulupab]

Btw can i ask what happens to the mages if i conscripted them and made leliana divine. My character is not a mage.

 

There isn't a difference if Leliana becomes the divine. She treats the mages same, conscripted or allied.

[The Baconer]

Hmmm... I have some mixed feelings with this, actually. From the ending slides that were posted, it's not really said what the Bright Hand actually does, besides being a strong political force. I'm not really getting a "Jedi Order" vibe from that description. Then there's the whole "shadow war" business... not a good thing, especially since most of the Templar Order will be dead in this ending.

 

Ideally, I'd want a heavily-reformed Seeker Order or a Seeker-like order recruiting both mages and non-mages (much more apt for a "Jedi" organization), but apparently everyone in-game is just too stupid to actually consider that.

[errantknight]

Here are some screenies of said ending. 

Hmm, prob didn't get this even though she was divine because she thought my inquisitor was a douche, lol. Wait, that's a Cassandra ending, isn't it? I'm confused.

[azarhal]

Hmm, prob didn't get this even though she was divine because she thought my inquisitor was a douche, lol. Wait, that's a Cassandra ending, isn't it? I'm confused.

 

yep, it's part of a Cassandra's ending.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think it's that simple. The only Templars we talk about it to are Alistair and Cullen.. and they're just as troubled about the whole ordeal.

It's bull**** honestly.

That limit of perspective.

[Lulupab]

It's bull**** honestly.

That limit of perspective.

 

maybe that's what devs intended. No matter how you try to elevate the position of Templars, they are addicts. Most will put satisfaction of their craving above life of others if they are starved of Lyrium. You can see that the option of Templars permanently stopping to take Lyrium is there to rectify this. Obsession, Paranoia and sometimes dementia are confirmed effects of Lyrium and the first two are way too common among Templars .

[Master Warder Z_]

maybe that's what devs intended.

If that was the case there wouldn't be near as many Templars in the lore, including prior games.

This limit of perspective is unique to DAI.

I ignored the rest of the rant because it isn't accurate or relevant.