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[leaguer of one]

Ah, yes. Correct. I didn't consider other world states. Where can I find the developer notes btw? I'm slowly getting fed up with having to hunt down the lore of the game in outside sources. -.-

 

Giving Mythal to Morrigan... which I doubt is possible in the first place since it has been repeatedly stated that the spirit possessing Flemeth can not be seperated from her.... would require Morrigan's permission. I don't think you can send a god through the Eluvian network like an email. Flemeth would have to give everything she is to Morrigan and die in the process.

Morrigan is going to get the spirit. It seems they are aiming the plot get her to want to have it in the end. Heck, she gets a level up to her powers to close to Flemeths power is some playthroughs.

[Maiafay]

I like the theory, but why was he so upset over the destruction of the orb? Like someone else said, shouldn't he be pleased? And I'm curious to what he intends to accomplish and why. So bring back deities that probably enslaved the Elvhen race? Destroying everyone else? Does he want to tear down the Veil and let both worlds become one again? Again, to what end?

[leaguer of one]

I like the theory, but why was he so upset over the destruction of the orb? Like someone else said, shouldn't he be pleased? And I'm curious to what he intends to accomplish and why. So bring back deities that probably enslaved the Elvhen race? Destroying everyone else? Does he want to tear down the Veil and let both worlds become one again? Again, to what end?

Because the orb is key to reconnecting the fade with the world. He just lost one of his way to make the world as it was.

[Monica21]

Ah, yes. Correct. I didn't consider other world states. Where can I find the developer notes btw? I'm slowly getting fed up with having to hunt down the lore of the game in outside sources. -.-

 

Giving Mythal to Morrigan... which I doubt is possible in the first place since it has been repeatedly stated that the spirit possessing Flemeth can not be seperated from her.... would require Morrigan's permission. I don't think you can send a god through the Eluvian network like an email. Flemeth would have to give everything she is to Morrigan and die in the process.

 

Here you go.  Also, I just re-read it.

 

This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head -- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods...yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows in his drive to save the elven people he will kill anyone -- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession.

 

So, she's letting Solas have her power but passing the "essence of her god-hood" to Morrigan. I'm failing to see how those two things are separate.

[Maiafay]

Because the orb is key to reconnecting the fade with the world. He just lost one of his way to make the world as it was.

But I thought he hated the way the world once was? Wasn't that why he tricked his brethren? To save The People?

[Monica21]

if Kieran does not have it he does not get it. It's gone. Flemeth's goal was to preserve old magic. Added this is hinted at when you talk to Solas after the bit with the well of sarrows. he goes on about it being a bad thing to share your power because others may squander it and miss use it. Seem to be that something he saw first hand.

 

Right, but my point was more that he's not getting Mythal and Urthumeil's soul. It's just going to be Mythal.

[leaguer of one]

But I thought he hated the way the world once was? Wasn't it why he tricked his brethren?

...Wasn't made clear that he never tricked them and that the whole dead wolf storys were false?

 

He sealed them because of the war they started. He never hated the world as it was, he hated what the people in power did with the gifts he gave them.

[leaguer of one]

Right, but my point was more that he's not getting Mythal and Urthumeil's soul. It's just going to be Mythal.

Which is my point.

[Maiafay]

He sealed them because of the war they started. He never hated the world as it was, he hated what the people in power did with the gifts he gave them.

If that were the case, why seal the other gods away? It was my impression they were the ones causing the problems. And yes, I'm aware he didn't trick them as the stories go, but he did rebel and it's implied he made the Veil to keep them out - unless I'm wrong about that too.

[Zered]

My crackpot theory?  Four of the gods are currently inhabiting mortal bodies, having been passed back and forth across the veil in a cycle of amnesiac reincarnation since their "destruction" at the end of each Blight.  Andruil is currently in Sera...

 

This would be the ultimate troll. I like her character but I'd love to rub it in her face   

[leaguer of one]

If that were the case, why seal the other gods away? It was my impression they were the ones causing the problems.

they both did also based on elven lore some of the gods got corrupted. Those are the old gods. And based on Kieran we can see they have ways to extract the souls from the corrupt gods.

[leaguer of one]

This would be the ultimate troll. I like her character but I'd love to rub it in her face 

Sera would hate that.

[In Exile]

It may be that Solas is collecting souls of gods. He's got the Dread Wolf, now Mythal ... who's to say he doesn't have more?

[leaguer of one]

It may be that Solas is collecting souls of gods. He's got the Dread Wolf, now Mythal ... who's to say he doesn't have more?

More of the case he was the original owner.

[Maiafay]

If he was the original owner, so he was cast down by...himself?

[leaguer of one]

If he was the original owner, so he was cast down by...himself?

More of the case he gave others parts of his power and it backfired.

[DaemionMoadrin]

So, she's letting Solas have her power but passing the "essence of her god-hood" to Morrigan. I'm failing to see how those two things are separate.

 

Thank you.

 

Yes, abominations (humans possessed by spirits/demons) can not be reversed. So if Flemeth was possessed by Mythal and now wants to give that up, then she's effectivel transferring her combined soul to Morrigan... who in turn would get possessed by it.

Meh, I hate it when they retcon things or change the rules.

[MikeJW]

It sounds like elven gods are actually Pokemon. Solas has to collect them all...he even had a Pokemon ball that Cory broke.

I would be extremely disappointed if Sera was also one. Thats an M. Night Shamalama calibre plot twist right there.

[xnarcosysx]

You're so far out in left field you're in the football stadium now. Fen'Harel was always a part of the pantheon and his nickname was the Dread Wolf.

He existed at the same time as Falon'Din and Dirthamen. He tricked then as well. If this were true this would mean that the elven pantheon is not the old gods because then the numbers would not line up. It makes much more sense for that because of how solas reacts to grey wardens.

In another note. If the Veil didn't exist until Fen ' Harel created it when he banished them, then how was Falon'Din crossing the Veil and escorting people and spirits.

Furthermore
 Their first separation came when Falon'Din found an old and sickly deer in the forest and gathered her up into his arms and carried her to her rest beyond the Veil, where Dirthamen could not follow.

so again. How was he crossing the Veil if it was not created until after they were all banished?

[leaguer of one]

You're so far out in left field you're in the football stadium now. Fen'Harel was always a part of the pantheon and his nickname was the Dread Wolf.

He existed at the same time as Falon'Din and Dirthamen. He tricked then as well. If this were true this would mean that the elven pantheon is not the old gods because then the numbers would not line up. It makes much more sense for that because of how solas reacts to grey wardens.

In another note. If the Veil didn't exist until Fen ' Harel created it when he banished them, then how was Falon'Din crossing the Veil and escorting people and spirits.

Furthermore
 Their first separation came when Falon'Din found an old and sickly deer in the forest and gathered her up into his arms and carried her to her rest beyond the Veil, where Dirthamen could not follow.

so again. How was he crossing the Veil if it was not created until after they were all banished?

Dude, everything in the ending and in the events of the wells of sorrows counters your point.

[xnarcosysx]

...Wasn't made clear that he never tricked them and that the whole dead wolf storys were false?

He sealed them because of the war they started. He never hated the world as it was, he hated what the people in power did with the gifts he gave them.

Elgar'nan was the first. So how did he give him a gift?

[xnarcosysx]

Dude, everything in the ending and in the events of the wells of sorrows counters your point.

How so.

[leaguer of one]

How so.

It explains that Fen'Harel means god of rebellion. that and Harel means trator.

[leaguer of one]

Elgar'nan was the first. So how did he give him a gift?

Dude, every thing in the game show that near everything now before about elven lore was wrong.

[xnarcosysx]

It explains that Fen'Harel means god of rebellion. that and Harel means trator.

I know that. He is the Dread Wolf, and Solas. But that doesn't counter my point that Solas is NOT dirthamen and Falon'Din.

I was saying solas was the one that betrayed them. Therefore had to exist at the same time as them. Not be the twins, get cast down and then raised up again like the op is saying.

Nor does it disprove that the elven gods are the old gods, which by the OP's theory would be impossible.