Dude, I can post every line the sentinals say about the war. Not one word states of a war after the fall of the gods.
My two cents:
What I gathered from the plot was pretty straightforward. Basically Solas is Fen'Harel. He didn't betray Mythal or the other gods and never was the God of Trickery or a traitor. Instead his portfolio was something along the lines of Rebellion/Freedom, with a healthy disdain for the hubris which came with being worshipped as gods and his friend Mythal was betrayed by other forces/entities in Ehlvenan. At some point Fen'Harel imprisons the rest of the gods (likely done as punishment for killing Mythal, if the imprisonment even happened by the way), which is where the Dalish legends derive from. He most likely got the bad rap from the remaining elven noble houses/slaves blaming him for the final fall of their civilization to Tevinter, because the rest of the elven pantheon no matter how evil, corrupt or wrong they may have been, couldn't come to their aid against an upstart Tevinter which overpowered the already crumbling Elvhenan Empire. The true story was just lost to the ages due to elves passing it down through word of mouth as slaves, having their second empire destroyed and the Dalish once more passing history down through word of mouth until present day.
Back to ancient Ehlvenan. At some point Fen'Harel became stuck, imprisoned himself or voluntarily walked the Fade ( maybe uthenera) and awoke at some point before the events of DA:I. It's also possible he was awakened by Corypheus who sought the orb. Whatever the case may be, upon reawakening Solas did not have enough power to reactivate the orb himself and therefore could not realize his own goals/ambitions. So he gave the orb willingly to Corypheus (or was forced by same if Cory found him first), who would be an entity powerful enough and knowledgeable enough to reactivate it. Solas probably intended to take the orb back from Corypheus before he could use it at the Conclave, but of course he would have been too late since a certain someone interrupts the final stages of his ritual and is accidently granted the mark, which accidently activates the orb and tears a physical portal to the fade that threatens to merge and swallow Thedas into it.
This suggests the orb's true purpose is to manipulate the fade and its relation to the physical world on a massive scale. It also makes other theories more probable like the Black/Golden City being Arlathan moved to the Fade as we now have a confirmed elven invention that has that power. It may also be the tool that imprisoned the Forgotten Ones/Elven Pantheon or was used to create places like the crossroads etc.
The events of DA:I occur and in the final battle with Corypheus the orb gets destroyed. Whatever plans Solas had for it (granting himself back his godhood and having control over the Fade for whatever reason) is lost. The only way he can possibly achieve his goals and ambitions is by going to Mythal and borrowing/taking her power, which based on developer notes, she volunteers to him since she agrees with his reasoning, but Morrigan gets her godhood/immortality from the exchange.
Based on Solas' and Flemeth's dialogue she says the Orb belongs to him ("You shouldn't have given Corypheus your Orb"). Based on the same dialogue, Solas/Fen'Harel's main goal appears to be helping "the people" (Elves) and that he's more suited than Mythal to do so. It probably has something to do with the codex entry on him being true and that his portfolio was something like Rebellion/Freedom. Since the current state of the elves in Thedas is enslavement, oppression and fragmentation, he's probably correct that he's best suited for the job of uplifting them. Unfortunately we don't know what this "the people need me more" entails. It could be the difference between Solas/Fen'Harel being a controversial protagonist to being the biggest bad we have seen yet. At any rate its probably bad for Humans and good for Elves.
So far I haven't seen any evidence that he's more than what he is now: Fen'Harel with the absorbed power of Mythal (not her godhood) and Urthemiel. That doesn't mean Solas might in later installments try to steal the power of other powerful entities and merge them into himself to shape the world into a more pro elven/his image. The OP's theory doesn't quite make sense because of his recorded disdain for the Elven pantheon then as Fan'Harel and his confirmed disdain for them as Solas (especially of Falon'Din who was a sadist sociopath god by his account). There is no need for redemption because he didn't start the events that led to the death of Mythal or the imprisonment of the gods. At the very most he brought justice in her name after the fact by imprisoning them. His only crime was the events of DA:I. Lastly Fen'Harel was always referred to as the Dread Wolf, which may have something to do with his speculated portfolio(s).
Oh OK. So because the gods disappear, everyone is at peace? Please. They were lost with their gods not their to answer their prayers and help them. It's simple deductive reasoning. It wasn't just the pantheon fighting but their followers too.
Who said there was peace. They were taken down by the human. I'm say stating a civil war happen after the gods were gone is a huge assumption because nothing shows this.
One thing. It's not confirmed if Flemythal had urthemiels soul in her at the time solas absorbed her because it liked like she was pushing something that looked exactly like what she took from kieran through the eluvian before solas got there.
We have the developers note say Solas did absorbed her.
you don't get my point. How does an enemy betray an enemy? Betray implies a violation of trust. What trust would be left with Solas and the other gods be left after he become the god of rebellion?
You're so retarded its amazing. Read my posts PLEEAAAASSE for the love of everything holy.We have the developers note say Solas did absorbed her.
Because they still trusted Fen'Harel that's how. He was always the god of rebellion. The god thing is still semantics. Doesn't change the lore about who they are.
How would someone trust someone who is openly rebelling ageist you?
BECAUSE HE PLAYED BOTH SIDES. Are you like 10 years old and ignorant to how the world works? Read and comprehend FFS. He wasnt active in the damn war til after mythal was killed.How would someone trust someone who is openly rebelling ageist you?
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This part of your theory doesn't really gel with what we observe in the game. Saving the Orb is one of the first things Solas mentions and repeats several times throughout the game. That combined with his reaction when he discovers the orb destroyed (he is devastated) and what he says when you offer the Inquisition's help in possibly restoring it, "That will not replace what was lost," shows a desire to keep the orb intact.Given that, one theory in the back of my mind is that he approached Corypheus intending that the magister break or otherwise pollute the power in the orb. He would have been prevented from doing so himself (even if Mythal did not geas restrictions, the orb would not have granted him enough power to destroy itself) but perhaps Corypheus could. And if so, he would be free.
This thread theory is a mess. OP is reaching for the moon and so many things are off with it.
The Orb/Focci is especially wtf level. When we are told by "Divine Justinia" Spirit that it's a key that unlock/locks doors in the Fade and when Flemeth/Mythal says it is his orb, Fen'Harel's.
This thread theory is a mess. OP is reaching for the moon and so many things are off with it.
The Orb/Focci is especially wtf level. When we are told by "Divine Justinia" Spirit that it's a key that unlock/locks doors in the Fade and when Flemeth/Mythal says it is his orb, Fen'Harel's.
A fan can theorize. The rest is up to the devs. 
BECAUSE HE PLAYED BOTH SIDES. Are you like 10 years old and ignorant to how the world works? Read and comprehend FFS. He wasnt active in the damn war til after mythal was killed.
You're going on my ignore list. I'm done arguing with someone who cannot comprehend English and basic concepts.
how do you play both sides when your openly rebelling both?
Reposting here from the Solas thread, since it's likely to touch on other theories if it holds. (Our old god<->dragon count, for one..)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Solas was three Old Gods.
One entity. Three Pantheon gods. I may be chasing an elaborate red herring, but there's simply too much evidence to ignore: Solas was Fen'Harel, but before that, he was Dirthamen / Falon'Din. His powers are their powers, his sins are their sins, and it would finally explain both his transformation to the Dread Wolf and his redemption to the Pantheon under the watchful eye of Mythal.
Ahem.... You can't be serious. Are you? I can't see how you made all those conclusions from such sentences which actually could be interpreted in any ways you want. Three gods, ah? I really doubt that. Don't get me wrong. In a world with magic and old gods being sealed long ago for some unknown reason - everything can be possible. But this kind of a cliffhanger (three gods instead of just one) seems strange and even cheap. I don't think that is what bioware was trying to tell us with all those phrases, I will be extremely surprised if what you are saying will turn out to be true.
He was, originally, Falon'Din/Dirthamen. One entity, represented in the Pantheon by two Gods because of his inherent nature.
He overstepped his power, and was cast down as the Dread Wolf.
He was restored to the Pantheon as Fen'Harel.
You are saying this as it is already a confirmed fact. But it is nothing more but a theory. One of the hundreds more.
Saying Solas is Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, and Falon'Din/Dirthmen does not make Solas greater than he is. It doesn't give him magical "god" powers. It simply tracks his history through the ages in terms of the Pantheon and his place in it via myths, the only scraps of twisted history that have survived.Make sense?
No. I still don't get it. According to this FenHarel. FalonDin and Dirthmen lived in different times, but elves speak about 9 gods in the pantheon, I thought it means all 9 gods lived at one same time. It just doesn't make any sense. It could be, yes, but I see none strong explanation or prove of this theory.
One thing. It's not confirmed if Flemythal had urthemiels soul in her at the time solas absorbed her because it liked like she was pushing something that looked exactly like what she took from kieran through the eluvian before solas got there.
True I should have said possibly Urthemiel's soul because 1) It's not always saved if Morrigan doesn't perform the Dark Ritual in DA:O and 2) The Developer's note only confirms that Solas is given Mythal's power/essence, but her godhood (which I assume is immortality) is given to Morrigan. So we know for sure that part of the magical soul essence going through the Eluvian is at the very least Mythal's "godhood." It may also be Urthemiel's soul if the Dark Ritual is performed as well.
However, I think it makes more sense that whatever power was to be gained from Urthemiel's soul was given to Solas in addition to Mythal's power, since they are both willing (but somewhat sadly relunctant as the scene conveys) participants of the transfer. It seems the point is to make Solas/Fen'Harel as powerful as possible so he can do whatever he feels needs to be done.
It's also possible that Urthemiel's soul could be a wild card and counter to Fen'Harel and it was transfered to Morrigan instead. I guess it depends if Solas knew of the events that occured with Morrigan, Keiran, the Inquisitor and Flemeth in the Fade or if could sense the soul inside Flemeth in the epilogue.
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Although I think your theory is far fetched as the shield link is very questionable (Which I think is just a copy of Darkspawn shield skins from all installments, not to mention it looking serpent-like is very subjective), but the likeness/art style of Solas' Tarot card and the Shartan mosaic are very similar to near identical. Them being one of the same is at least a little quesitonable though as we speak to Shartan's ghost in the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
That doesn't mean they weren't the same entity, as the voice/look differences could be technical (of course) and Shartan's ghost may indeed just be an echo/spirit created in the temple. I forget the details around the nature of the spirits there.
Wouldn't it be interesting if Shartan, the leader of the rebelling elven slaves under Andraste, was Solas/Fen'Harel the old elven god of rebellion and with Andraste, successfully freed the elves from slavery? If true, I wonder if based on his personal history and his position on gods in general, that Fen'Harel left for the Fade once more after the Dales were granted to the elves, only to find out much much later that the Dales were retaken in a second Exalted March. It may also explain why Solas is hesitant to teach and help current elves in Thedas by basically saying what's the point? So that a simple man rises up only to be cut down by overwhelming force?
Maybe, based on the events surrounding the first and second Exalted marches, Solas/Fen'Harel/Shartan plans to be a little more extreme in his actions to free elves from human oppression, by securing any future elven freedom from human interference forever. Thus the need for the orb's power and other extreme measures like taking Mythal's power. Of course he doesn't need to be Shartan to feel this way, but it sure would make his possible fight for elven freedom (if that is his true goal) a lot more personal throughout that ages than it already is.
Again Solas/Fen'Harel trying to secure elven freedom could be very bad news for the current humans of Thedas. At least for human influence over the world.
We have the developers note say Solas did absorbed her.
I know I am lazy and all that, but could you please point me to that note? Would love to read it too.
The game makes it seem like he was awakened for the very 1st time since sealing the gods away and not during the time of Andraste
The game makes it seem like he was awakened for the very 1st time since sealing the gods away and not during the time of Andraste
Yeah I have to agree with that. It's just strange that the artists chose to make Solas' Tarot card so similar to Shartan's ingame mosiac art. The only real difference being a flame instead of a key, a mask over Solas' face, a dark robe rather than light, and no staff in the left hand of Shartan. The body and arms positions are near exact as well.
Maybe it's just symbolism of the role Solas plays as the elven confidant to the Herald of Andraste just as Shartan was the elven confidant/general/advisor to Andraste herself.
Edit: For anyone looking for or how to find the developer note quotes, just visit the dragon age wiki site, search solas, go to the 10. reference link which is a reddit link to the dev notes quotes and discussion.
The game makes it seem like he was awakened for the very 1st time since sealing the gods away and not during the time of Andraste
He's been awake 1000 years before DA:I (which was during Andraste's time).
Developer notes as posted here: http://www.reddit.co...cene_explained/
This part of your theory doesn't really gel with what we observe in the game. Saving the Orb is one of the first things Solas mentions and repeats several times throughout the game. That combined with his reaction when he discovers the orb destroyed (he is devastated) and what he says when you offer the Inquisition's help in possibly restoring it, "That will not replace what was lost," shows a desire to keep the orb intact.
I completely agree, which is why I posted an addendum here. I wanted to leave the OP to laugh at later, but should probably update it to prevent this kind of confusion. =w=
This theory is fascinating. Especially since we have only had the barest of glimpses about Dirthamen because of the temple, and less information about Falon'din. Though it seems like it would make Solas a severely overpowered character. As interesting as it is, I wouldn't mind if it turns out that he is only Fen'Harel. Not the other two also. But then, to my Lavellan, he will always just be Solas. Her hahren, friend, and lover. The titles of the past mean little, though the stories are interesting, and should be preserved.
Though I have to say, these are some great points. I assumed Solas approved of your recitation of the tombstone due to the kindness such an act involved. The idea that he had an ulterior motive that spirals even deeper than him being Fen'harel is.. Well. Exciting. I really want to know the truth about him.
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