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[Monica21]

I've actually considered that, since their thematic connection seems obvious.  My brain starts to hurt, though.  Even if the Archdemon we know as Dumat was powered by a "piece" of Solas, which was then recovered and restored to mortal form by his spirit half when Dumat fell, it seems difficult to incorporate into what we know of the overall timeline and how his physical and spirit sides can interact.

 

It's... not entirely impossible, though.  (I don't think?  I'd have to check the timeline.)  Just difficult.  And damn interesting, since it would have significant implications about how many unrecovered OGSes remain, and the extent of his power as Falon'Din.  It would make him almost impossible to kill, unless directly attacked in the Fade.

 

Solas: "One does not lightly kill a god, Inquisitor. Even in legend."

 

Well, the timeline does work, doesn't if? If you consider that "1,000 year slumber = 1,000 years give or take 100 years or so." The First Blight was two centuries long and ended a little over 1,000 years ago, in -195. We're at 9:41 now, right? That's a thousand years and some change that Solas has slumbered if he is Dumat.

 

Which now makes me wonder if the Old Gods, in Archdemon form, have ever really been killed. Maybe they're all just sleeping too, and Solas/Dumat, as the first to wake, has the power to wake them all and that's his real intention with the orb?

 

My brain hurts with all this now.

[leaguer of one]

Well, the timeline does work, doesn't if? If you consider that "1,000 year slumber = 1,000 years give or take 100 years or so." The First Blight was two centuries long and ended a little over 1,000 years ago, in -195. We're at 9:41 now, right? That's a thousand years and some change that Solas has slumbered if he is Dumat.

 

Which now makes me wonder if the Old Gods, in Archdemon form, have ever really been killed. Maybe they're all just sleeping too, and Solas/Dumat, as the first to wake, has the power to wake them all and that's his real intention with the orb?

 

My brain hurts with all this now.

Solas is not dumat.

[Monica21]

Solas is not dumat.

 

Because.... ?

[leaguer of one]

Because.... ?

Because Dumat maybe really Dirthamen.

[madrar]

Because Dumat maybe really Dirthamen.

 

Yes.  And Solas is Dirthamen.   

 

Therefore, by the transitive property....

[leaguer of one]

Yes.  And Solas is Dirthamen.   

 

Therefore, by the transitive property....

I don't think he's dirthamen. He may of take his soul or power but not truely him.

[madrar]

I don't think he's dirthamen. He may of take his soul or power but not truely him.

 

Hmm.  So your theory is that when Dirthamen-as-Dumat died, Solas took in his OGS, which is why he's able to wipe his secret path from Cole's mind.  That's actually not impossible.  But it's not nearly as simple or satisfying as Dirthamen/Falon'Din being one and the same.  Your theory has two serious problems that would need to be addressed:

 

First, we'd have to find another way to account for the huge stretch of Solas' personal history between the Fall of Arlathan and the Andrastean rebellion.  Why was he sleeping through it, and why did he wake?  The Solas-as-Dumat theory, on the other hand, explains this very neatly.

 

Second, we're assuming that Solas as the Dread Wolf was released from the void because Mythal needed Dirthamen's power to wipe the secret path to the Void from Andruil's mind.  Since Solas wouldn't have that ability at that point in the timeline using in your theory, we'd need to postulate another plausible reason for him to be released.  I honestly can't think of one.  

 

Between those two problems, I find the possibility unlikely enough to dismiss.  Dirthamen/Falon'Din being the same entity addresses both of those issues, making the overall theory and timeline satisfyingly complete.  

[leaguer of one]

Hmm.  So your theory is that when Dirthamen-as-Dumat died, Solas took in his OGS, which is why he's able to wipe his secret path from Cole's mind.  That's actually not impossible.  But it's not nearly as simple or satisfying as Dirthamen/Falon'Din being one and the same.  Your theory has two serious problems that would need to be addressed:

 

First, we'd have to find another way to account for the huge stretch of Solas' personal history between the Fall of Arlathan and the Andrastean rebellion.  Why was he sleeping through it, and why did he wake?  The Solas-as-Dumat theory, on the other hand, explains this very neatly.

 

Second, we're assuming that Solas as the Dread Wolf was released from the void because Mythal needed Dirthamen's power to wipe the secret path to the Void from Andruil's mind.  Since Solas wouldn't have that ability at that point in the timeline using in your theory, we'd need to postulate another plausible reason for him to be released.  I honestly can't think of one.  

 

Between those two problems, I find the possibility unlikely enough to dismiss.  Dirthamen/Falon'Din being the same entity addresses both of those issues, making the overall theory and timeline satisfyingly complete.  

Well we still need more info. But Solas did state you can't truly kill a god.

[leaguer of one]

Just a thing to add to my theory. Andraste was born in 203 Ancient. The blight ended in 203 Ancient. Solas can easily been a part of the end of the blight and aiding Andraste.

[madrar]

Well we still need more info. But Solas did state you can't truly kill a god.

 

That's not quite true.  His claim was that "One does not lightly kill a god".   

 

Ignoring the surface meaning in context, there's a secondary unspoken suggestion here that it would be particularly difficult to kill Falon'Din/Dirthamen.  The apparent degree of control he has of his dual physical/fade nature (his fade side strong enough in Will to potentially act independently, of its own volition) would allow him to maintain his sense of self on death and return to mortal form at will, unless his fade self (Falon'Din) was somehow destroyed as well. 

 

...if that makes sense.

 

Solas would be very, very hard to kill.  ...which is the reason his role as the arbiter of Balance in the DA Universe is so important.  Were it not for this part of his essential nature, Order would have triumphed long ago.