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[Marika]

My question is simply this. Who's bright idea was it to have every member of the inquisition that shows up to the ball at Halamshiral wear the EXACT SAME OUTFIT?!!

 

It's bad enough I have to run around as a female looking like a cross dressing nutcracker wannabe but then I have 6 others who look like just like me.

 

My personal preference and the way I'd had done it (this includes the PC BTW) would have been to make the males wear the nutcracker outfit but maybe instead of them all wearing the same color (who came up with that color scheme anyway?) have them each in a different color. The female members I would have had them wearing a fancy dress that matches their place of origin (qunari and elf could be hard I know).

 

This also had a great opportunity for a tie in to DA:O with Liliana, she could have been wearing a nice orlesian dress and the blue satin shoes given to her by the warden in DA:O (assuming you did).

 

I love the game but so many opportunities were either ignored on purpose or just flat out overlooked.

 

I personally think it's clear no women were involved with this particular mission design either that or they had incredibly bad taste in clothing.

[Andat]

Isn't that the Inquisition dress uniform? After all, they are a military force.

 

Since it's a uniform, aren't they supposed to look the same, males and females?

 

And I'm not sure what the nutcracker comment refers to.

[Marika]

It's true that military uniforms match except most female military uniforms at least use a skirt instead of pants. However, I wouldn't technically call them a true military considering the military takes orders from a civilian government where as the inquisition governs themselves. I'd classify them as a well armed and organized militia myself.

 

How did you miss the nutcracker reference?

 

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[Andat]

Ah, I always forget about those old nutcrackers. I get the reference now...

 

I'm not sure that being answerable to a civilian government is the defining factor of what makes a force a military one. For one thing, what happens in dictatorships?

 

Yup, many (most? All?) military dress uniforms use skirts for female members, but I don't think that's a rule as such. At any rate, actual dresses seem to be out, based on a quick Google image search.

 

I think it was probably chosen because it looks like a military dress uniform, and they wanted the player to feel like they were representing a powerful military force. Their style guide probably mentioned something about British redcoats and the RCMP. I don't think dresses would have achieved the desired effect. I'm sure Bioware might have toyed with skirts but it probably looked wrong on some characters. I think trousers were a good compromise. 

[whitless256]

You're there for business, not pleasure, so of course everyone should be representing the Inquisition in uniform.  It's hard to present a strong, military presence while wearing your pretty ball gown.  Plus, I can't imagine the Lady Inquisitor climbing up to the second floor balcony wearing a skirt.  Too difficult to maneuver in.

[Marika]

Maybe but I really do wish they would have used different colors. black(primary) red(secondary) might have been better considering whenever you put up an inq flag the colors are black red and white.

 

BTW about the nutcracker did you notice it had the chantry symbol on it? 

[Marika]

You're there for business, not pleasure, so of course everyone should be representing the Inquisition in uniform.  It's hard to present a strong, military presence while wearing your pretty ball gown.  Plus, I can't imagine the Lady Inquisitor climbing up to the second floor balcony wearing a skirt.  Too difficult to maneuver in.

It generally depends on the dress. The orlesian style dress I'd have to agree would be hard to climb in hell I'm surprised they can even walk in those dresses. LOL

[Andat]

Maybe but I really do wish they would have used different colors. black(primary) red(secondary) might have been better considering whenever you put up an inq flag the colors are black red and white.

 

 

I guess that could have worked as well.

 

BTW about the nutcracker did you notice it had the chantry symbol on it?  

 

 

It's not quite the chantry symbol because in that the lines are wavy, and I'm pretty sure it usually has an eye in the middle. Close though.

[Bebopbeats20]

Is it possible they could release a cosmetic DLC that includes ball gowns? Similar to the armor DLC's in Mass Effect 2 (but pretty). Clothing is certainly the most obvious visual complaint. What's the point of going to an Orlesian ball to play intrigue if you can't wear something ridiculously fashionable? It just takes all the fun out of it. And lets not forget the ugly beige pajamas everyone and their mabari (another dlc idea i wanna puppy) despises. Modders have done wonders with it but some more legitimate options would be well received I think.

[Kantr]

It's easier to avoid clipping when using trousers.

[Digger1967]

My question is simply this. Who's bright idea was it to have every member of the inquisition that shows up to the ball at Halamshiral wear the EXACT SAME OUTFIT?!!

 

It's bad enough I have to run around as a female looking like a cross dressing nutcracker wannabe but then I have 6 others who look like just like me.

 

My personal preference and the way I'd had done it (this includes the PC BTW) would have been to make the males wear the nutcracker outfit but maybe instead of them all wearing the same color (who came up with that color scheme anyway?) have them each in a different color. The female members I would have had them wearing a fancy dress that matches their place of origin (qunari and elf could be hard I know).

 

This also had a great opportunity for a tie in to DA:O with Liliana, she could have been wearing a nice orlesian dress and the blue satin shoes given to her by the warden in DA:O (assuming you did).

 

I love the game but so many opportunities were either ignored on purpose or just flat out overlooked.

 

I personally think it's clear no women were involved with this particular mission design either that or they had incredibly bad taste in clothing.

 

Ok, yes that's bad.  But you know the whole thing has even more serious flaws.  Forget game mechanics, etc - everybody has already put in there 2 cents worth about how awful the mission is from that standpoint.  I mean honestly, what idiot decided to make it so you needed a bunch of deer statutes to open doors inside the palace?  Hopefully they executed that guy shortly afterwards.  But even that is nothing compared to the real problem - Stop and consider it just from a roleplaying angle.

 

Ok, you get your very first invitation to a fancy dress Orlesian party, and you, the Inquisitor,the Beacon of Law and Justice.. what do you do?  You show up, eavesdrop on people, possibly blackmail them and to top it all off you spend most of the evening running around stealing stuff that doesn't belong to you from your host.

 

Seriously?  That mission needs a serious overhaul, or just an out and out replacement.  It's just awful from the get go.  Me, I refuse to loot anything, I only take the crap I absolutely have to have to complete the mission, I won't blackmail anyone to get them to work together and thus I avoid most of the major issues that way, but it seriously limits my options and still requires me to sit through nearly an hour of awful cut scenes and stupid crap while I waste a ton of time running back and forth between the ballroom and the next idiotic location I'm required to go to and then back again.  Ugh.  

[Dai Grepher]

I can't believe there are people who actually disagree with the OP about this.

 

Of course there should be customization here, and of course we should get to pick our wardrobe.

 

Example, I wish my Inquisitor could have customized a dark samite formal attire so that it was black and white instead of red and blue. Or at least make it red and black like in the concept art.

 

As for Vivienne, her normal battle attire works perfectly for the ball. Blackwall, he should be able to wear full Warden armor. Cass? Well, if she wore a dress it would conflict with party banter later in the game, so for her, something other than a dress. Cullen wouldn't care. Dresses for Leliana and Josephine. Solas might want to look like a servant, given his party banter with Vivienne on the subject. Sera's outfit would be tricky. I doubt she would wear a dress, or anything fancy. Varric would wear diamond quarter clothing, like the nobles in Orzammar wear. Dorian could fit with the formal attire, though I would color it differently. The Iron Bull would be another tricky one. Formal qunari armor of some kind? And... I think that's everyone. I feel like I'm forgetting one. Oh well.

[Digger1967]

I can't believe there are people who actually disagree with the OP about this.

 

Of course there should be customization here, and of course we should get to pick our wardrobe.

 

Example, I wish my Inquisitor could have customized a dark samite formal attire so that it was black and white instead of red and blue. Or at least make it red and black like in the concept art.

 

As for Vivienne, her normal battle attire works perfectly for the ball. Blackwall, he should be able to wear full Warden armor. Cass? Well, if she wore a dress it would conflict with party banter later in the game, so for her, something other than a dress. Cullen wouldn't care. Dresses for Leliana and Josephine. Solas might want to look like a servant, given his party banter with Vivienne on the subject. Sera's outfit would be tricky. I doubt she would wear a dress, or anything fancy. Varric would wear diamond quarter clothing, like the nobles in Orzammar wear. Dorian could fit with the formal attire, though I would color it differently. The Iron Bull would be another tricky one. Formal qunari armor of some kind? And... I think that's everyone. I feel like I'm forgetting one. Oh well.

 

I don't disagree it would be better to have more wardrobe options.  I'm just saying it would be even better if your Inquisitor didn't have to resort to extortion, theft and other sorts of slimy behavior to finish the mission.  

[Dai Grepher]

I don't disagree it would be better to have more wardrobe options.  I'm just saying it would be even better if your Inquisitor didn't have to resort to extortion, theft and other sorts of slimy behavior to finish the mission.  

 

He does?

 

Extortion means to take money, info, whatever by force or coercion using one's office or position of authority. Don't remember any of that going on.

 

Theft? Well, I can see the trinket from Briala, but it isn't like you just take it and keep it. You use it to get a meeting with Celene, at which point you either give it back to her or she tells you to keep it.

 

Am I missing anything? I made it a point to keep my Inquisitor on the up and up.
 

[Digger1967]

He does?

 

Extortion means to take money, info, whatever by force or coercion using one's office or position of authority. Don't remember any of that going on.

 

Theft? Well, I can see the trinket from Briala, but it isn't like you just take it and keep it. You use it to get a meeting with Celene, at which point you either give it back to her or she tells you to keep it.

 

Am I missing anything? I made it a point to keep my Inquisitor on the up and up.
 

 

Extortion - the act of obtaining something through force or threat.  Often this is money, but not always.  In this case what your obtaining is some measure of control and support for your cause through blackmail, if you chose to blackmail the factions into working together.  

 

Anything you loot from the Winter Palace, should you choose to do so, well - theft, and most folks end up carting home a wagon load of stuff.  Just read through most any walk through and they describe how to get to the loot in detail.  

 

Even if you forgo all of that like I do, there are some items your forced to take.  There are a couple of documents, at least one Halla statue and a cylinder you have to take to proceed through the mission, and at least (I think) 2 occasions where you need to eavesdrop on other peoples conversations in order to trigger the cut scene you need to get through to the end.

 

So ya, sorry but in my book your engaging in some pretty slimy behavior regardless especially since your supposed to be, as Josephine puts it at Skyhold, a Beacon of Law and Justice.  

[Dai Grepher]

Extortion - the act of obtaining something through force or threat.  Often this is money, but not always.  In this case what your obtaining is some measure of control and support for your cause through blackmail, if you chose to blackmail the factions into working together.  

 

Anything you loot from the Winter Palace, should you choose to do so, well - theft, and most folks end up carting home a wagon load of stuff.  Just read through most any walk through and they describe how to get to the loot in detail.  

 

Even if you forgo all of that like I do, there are some items your forced to take.  There are a couple of documents, at least one Halla statue and a cylinder you have to take to proceed through the mission, and at least (I think) 2 occasions where you need to eavesdrop on other peoples conversations in order to trigger the cut scene you need to get through to the end.

 

So ya, sorry but in my book your engaging in some pretty slimy behavior regardless especially since your supposed to be, as Josephine puts it at Skyhold, a Beacon of Law and Justice.  

 

Well, you might get the blackmail thing to stick, but I don't see extortion. As for the blackmail thing, I see it as discovering wrongdoing and forgiving it in exchange for all parties cooperating to do the right thing.

 

The documents? Eh. I think of that as more or less being copied to your journal, not necessarily taken.

 

The Halla statue is not stolen. It is used.

 

The cylinder is just an object the elves use to pass info. It has no value. Also, it was left for someone to find. You just intercept the message is all.

 

Dropping eaves is not slimy. It is simply overhearing important information.

 

Law and justice sometimes require the discovery of illegal activity.
 

[Nefla]

Isn't that the Inquisition dress uniform? After all, they are a military force.

 

Since it's a uniform, aren't they supposed to look the same, males and females?

 

And I'm not sure what the nutcracker comment refers to.

A dress uniform they invented just for the ball and didn't use before or since. It also doesn't look like it's from the same time period as all the other clothing in any of the three games and no one else in Thedas wears anything like it.

 

Also:

 

I guess we should be thankful they didn't make us wear the hat too?

[Digger1967]

Well, you might get the blackmail thing to stick, but I don't see extortion. As for the blackmail thing, I see it as discovering wrongdoing and forgiving it in exchange for all parties cooperating to do the right thing.

 

The documents? Eh. I think of that as more or less being copied to your journal, not necessarily taken.

 

The Halla statue is not stolen. It is used.

 

The cylinder is just an object the elves use to pass info. It has no value. Also, it was left for someone to find. You just intercept the message is all.

 

Dropping eaves is not slimy. It is simply overhearing important information.

 

Law and justice sometimes require the discovery of illegal activity.
 

 

Ok, well I guess we could play the semantics game with the word extortion, or I could just point out that as the Inquisitor, a person referred to as "your worship", one who sits in judgement of others regularly that if after a mission I feel like I need to lawyer up then maybe it would be a good thing for the game designers to consider revising.

 

I also must assume that the timer feature on your gaming system must work differently than mine when it comes to those documents, no way I'd have time to sit down and copy them while playing beat the clock.  Also if your thinking of using them as evidence, well a copy in your handwriting probably won't be sufficient proof for any court not staffed by kangaroos.  

 

And really the only way any of that works is if you play the mission the way I do, refusing to touch any of the loot and taking only that which you absolutely have to have to complete the mission, and never using the blackmail option. That as I'm sure you'd concede is not the way most people play that mission.   Frankly even that route makes me uncomfortable from a roleplay standpoint.  I don't think Gaspard actually murdered anyone, for example.  I find it far more likely that Brialla planted his dagger, I mean Gaspard obviously has a few issues but he didn't strike me as being dumb enough to kill someone or have someone killed and leave behind a dagger with his family crest on it on the body.

 

But because I refuse to resort to blackmail, sadly my outcomes are very limited.  So yes, I do hope at some point they will think about a serous revamp of that mission.  YMMV, naturally.

[Digger1967]

A dress uniform they invented just for the ball and didn't use before or since. It also doesn't look like it's from the same time period as all the other clothing in any of the three games and no one else in Thedas wears anything like it.

 

Also:

 

I guess we should be thankful they didn't make us wear the hat too?

 

Oh man, where do I get the matching hat?  Hissing wastes maybe?

 

Lol