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[animedreamer]

So yeah, Flemeth was going to give Morrigan all her knowledge/power anyway, but what about all her other daughters? Did she not like them? were they ever really her true daughters? She seemed to genuinely care about Morrigan, are we to believe she didn't have similar feelings for the others? Are there still more daughters out there? Did she not leave them anything?

 

If Flemeth's true goal was to help restore what once was (the magic of the old times I'm assuming), and to a similar such is Morrigans desire as neither wishes to see magic fade away, what exactly are the other daughters doing if at all in relation to this? Will they know that Flemeth has died, or that she was really Mythal? 

[Mims]

I don't think its a matter of whether or not she liked them. I think Morrigan was just the chosen successor, either because she and Mythal had actively 'bred' her, or she was just determined to be the most clever and intelligent of her daughters.

 

I think Flemeth/Mythal likes the fact that Morrigan is much less devoted to her than her other daughters. In a sense, that uplifts her out of being a 'servant' type role. She's her own person, and the daughter least likely to crumble when Flemeth is gone. 

[Cerulione]

From what I understand (maybe wrongly) from DA:O

- all daughter of "Flemeth" is actually Flemeth. She took their body when her own old body arrive at its end of life.

- morrigan was intended (possibly) as Flemeth's Vessel.

 

From DA:I

- Mythal is a spirit that resides within Flemeth. Mythal came to Flemeth once & had been within her ever since.

 

If I got mistaken please correct me

[Hellion Rex]

Based on Flemeth's conversation with Morrigan, I got the sense that she didn't necessarily want the old powers to be restored, cause Flemeth remarks "to what end?"

Also, I think for the daughters is that she was waiting for something, probably for Solas to return. So she had daughters periodically through the ages so that she would always have one or two ready should the worst come to pass, which it did. In Yavana's case, she is probably dead by DAI, so there wouldn't have been any others left to pass Mythal's godhood to.

Or maybe Morrigan was simply the strongest daughter Flemeth had ever raised, making her the prime candidate.

[Hellion Rex]

From what I understand (maybe wrongly) from DA:O
- all daughter of "Flemeth" is actually Flemeth. She took their body when her own old body arrive at its end of life.
- morrigan was intended (possibly) as Flemeth's Vessel.
 
From DA:I
- Mythal is a spirit that resides within Flemeth. Mythal came to Flemeth once & had been within her ever since.
 
If I got mistaken please correct me

I think we can throw the old possession of the daughters to extend her life thing out the window. I think Flemeth has lasted through the ages in that one body. The only real possession was to pass on Mythal's essence to Morrigan.

[Br3admax]

The thing is, Morrigan has actual sisters, or at least one, that were still alive when she was, but Morrigan was chosen to be the vessel, hence the OP's question.

[Reznore57]

Flemeth isn't the best mother , she used her daughters because she has a plan in mind.

Morrigan is her heiress , she taugh her to restore old magic and such , mainly because I think she wants her daughter to merge with the spirit of a very pissed off elven goddess.

 

Flemeth plan isn't about restoring old magic , she wants a "reckoning against the very Heavens".

Even Morrigan doesn't know what she was talking about here.

 

Anyway Flemeth did good , Morrigan wants the Well of Sorrows badly even if she doesn't know the consequences.

And she wanted the OGB , she didn't have a plan beyond I want this old powerful thing reborn.

 

The good news is at the end , Morrigan questions herself a bit .So maybe she will outsmart Mythal, and not be her victim.

[Br3admax]

I think we can throw the old possession of the daughters to extend her life thing out the window. I think Flemeth has lasted through the ages in that one body. The only real possession was to pass on Mythal's essence to Morrigan.

But Morrigan claims that Flemeth ages. I don't think she's immortal in the traditional sense.

[MasqureMan]

I think her daughters serve a number of roles: Possible possession back ups, "agents" that could be working toward her goals or preserving her territory when she's not around, and also just bragging rights for the whole "Witches of the Wilds" title to reinforce her fearsome reputation. 

 

If we're to believe what Flemeth said about only being able to pass your soul into someone who is willing, then it's likely that she was never even planning to posses Morrigan. She repeatedly talks about how stubborn and hard headed she is, she knew she wouldn't be for that. It is much more likely that she could see (just like the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke's destinies) that Morrigan would have a role to play in the Blight and prepared for her to enact the Old God baby ritual at some point in time. This would serve her long term goals, but beyond that I don't think she really cares much what Morrigan does.

 

It is also possible that since that Old God baby ritual was such a big part of whatever plan she has, Flemeth was waiting for the Fifth Blight and had her daughters in different areas to be ready for wherever it struck. I dunno too much about DA geography and where Blights take place, but it seems like a decent theory. 

[Cerulione]

I think we can throw the old possession of the daughters to extend her life thing out the window. I think Flemeth has lasted through the ages in that one body. The only real possession was to pass on Mythal's essence to Morrigan.

 

Agree with Br3admax. Elu, what's the base on that? I didn't find it in game (yet). Hmm... This is interesting.

[Mims]

Also, I think for the daughters is that she was waiting for something, probably for Solas to return. So she had daughters periodically through the ages so that she would always have one or two ready should the worst come to pass, which it did. In Yavana's case, she is probably dead by DAI, so there wouldn't have been any others left to pass Mythal's godhood to.
 

 

This is the most interesting part. According to the developer notes, she's been waiting for Fen'Harel for quite some while. Nurturing power to pass onto him. [While one of her daughters would get Mythal's 'godhood'.] 

 

So either:

 

a. It is a complete coincidence that her 'favorite' daughter is born in the same era Fen'Harel chose to awaken.

b. She deliberately set into motion the events that would awaken Fen'Harel partially because Morrigan was the correct choice.

[Hellion Rex]

But Morrigan claims that Flemeth ages. I don't think she's immortal in the traditional sense.

True. She could just be extremely long lived. However, could it not be possible that Flemeth, as a master shapeshifter, could age her own appearance if need be?

[Cerulione]

True. She could just be extremely long lived. However, could it not be possible that Flemeth, as a master shapeshifter, could age her own appearance if need be?

 

Very very good point. But for what purpose?

[Hellion Rex]

This is the most interesting part. According to the developer notes, she's been waiting for Fen'Harel for quite some while. Nurturing power to pass onto him. [While one of her daughters would get Mythal's 'godhood'.] 
 
So either:
 
a. It is a complete coincidence that her 'favorite' daughter is born in the same era Fen'Harel chose to awaken.
b. She deliberately set into motion the events that would awaken Fen'Harel partially because Morrigan was the correct choice.

Now I know what she meant by, "Is it fate or chance? I can never decide..."

[Cerulione]

Now I know what she meant by, "Is it fate or chance? I can never decide..."

 

This line is from DA2... Has Flemeth's Amulet has something to do to awaken Fen'Harel?

[Hellion Rex]

This line is from DA2... Has Flemeth's Amulet has something to do to awaken Fen'Harel?

I don't think so...


Though now I wonder what her "appointment" was that she spoke of after releasing her from the amulet.

[Cerulione]

I don't think so...


Though now I wonder what her "appointment" was that she spoke of after releasing her from the amulet.

 

Be in time to save the Warden from the Tower of Ishal? No, the timing's off since Hawke already got the time to get back from Ostagar to Lothering...
Hmm...

[Br3admax]

True. She could just be extremely long lived. However, could it not be possible that Flemeth, as a master shapeshifter, could age her own appearance if need be?

Waste of magic, tbh. She could just convince a daughter to become a god, the one she favored the most. I doubt many said would say no. 

[Farangbaa]

True. She could just be extremely long lived. However, could it not be possible that Flemeth, as a master shapeshifter, could age her own appearance if need be?

No. Morrigan tells you that in DA:O that they can't shapeshift into other human forms, because this gains them nothing. (whatever that might mean. But she says it's impossible)

[Cerulione]

No. Morrigan tells you that in DA:O that they can't shapeshift into other human forms, because this gains them nothing. (whatever that might mean. But she says it's impossible)

 

I didn't understand it the same way you do. From what I remember she say that she would not do that because she gains nothing (no new knowledge). But IIRC she didn't say it's impossible.

[katerinafm]

'Daughters' doesn't necessarily mean that they had the same relation that Morrigan had with Flemeth. I would guess that they were raised as vessels for Mythal's spirit. Looks like they have to be willing vessels, and since Morrigan doesn't want to be a vessel, Flemeth ran out of time and gave her spirit to Fen Harel.

[Hellion Rex]

No. Morrigan tells you that in DA:O that they can't shapeshift into other human forms, because this gains them nothing. (whatever that might mean. But she says it's impossible)

Ummmm, and tell me, does Morrigan have any concept of what Flemeth is capable of in DAO?

[Farangbaa]

Ummmm, and tell me, does Morrigan have any concept of what Flemeth is capable of in DAO?

Ah yes, Flemeth is the special snowflake of shape shifters, of course.

[Ryzaki]

No. Morrigan tells you that in DA:O that they can't shapeshift into other human forms, because this gains them nothing. (whatever that might mean. But she says it's impossible)

 

She doesn't say it's impossible. She simply says she can't.

 

And we already see Flemeth have two different human appearances.

[Br3admax]

Ummmm, and tell me, does Morrigan have any concept of what Flemeth is capable of in DAO?

Morrigan never even says she can't shapeshift into other humans, from what I gathered, she said she never tried. She's already a human, so why would she?