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[Liec]

It could simply be that Morrigan's sisters didn't have what was needed to become Mythal, or they weren't willing to accept her soul.

[Wolfen09]

or we are wildly speculating again... anyways, sadly i think the OGB was a side bonus for flemeth, because cannonically there is no OGB, so the OGB soul playing a significant role in later games is probably off the board.

[In Exile]

Very very good point. But for what purpose?

To push Morrigan to obtain power to fight her. Like e.g. a certain elven well.

[In Exile]

I don't think so...


Though now I wonder what her "appointment" was that she spoke of after releasing her from the amulet.

The appointment was her death match with the Warden. She needed a backup in case the Warden decided to mount her skull in Morrigan's tent.

[Hellion Rex]

The appointment was her death match with the Warden. She needed a backup in case the Warden decided to mount her skull in Morrigan's tent.

Nah, by that point I assumed that the other Flemeth had already perished. I think she meant something else by "appointment".

[myahele]

I can see Flemeth liking Morrigan's independent nature and maybe even saw her fit enough to become a worthy successor (not in the being possess kinda way) and an eventual equal.

 

Maybe she wanted to elevate Morrigan to god-hood ala Andruil to Ghilan'nain. But she's still quite young and naive for now. 

[Ash Wind]

*blank stare* um... what...?

 

From what I have seen, I absolutely believe that Flemeth possesses her daughters.

 

A. In DAO, Flemeth is old and approaching elderliness. She absolutely ages. If she didn't she would remain 25 to lure men to be with her.

B. In DAO, while it doesn't play any part in the storyline per se, one of the few things you can outfit Morrigan in are the Robes of Possession.

C. Yavanna... while I know the comics aren't 'Canon' the devs have repeatedly said there is no canon, BUT Yavana, a daughter of Flemeth calls Morrigan a confused child. And furthermore call's Flemeth's possession a Gift, this may have been the path Morrigan would have been on if not the blight struck and she met the Warden. Whatever the motivation of that line, that shows there are Flemeth's daughters who are willing to be possessed, meaning its not forced upon them, just as Flemeth declares in DAI.

 

I don't buy into Morrigan's initial 'Independence' either because in DAO she is clearly threatened by the Warden after the battle of Ostagar, and only seeks to see he/she and Alistair move on, and retain the status quo... aka she remains under Flemeth's influence. She is reluctant to depart and repeatedly says its time for you (Warden) to move on. When Flemeth commands her to join them she states she is not ready, this isn't what she wanted.

 

Morrigan could have well been on her way to being a willing participant. 

[animedreamer]

True. She could just be extremely long lived. However, could it not be possible that Flemeth, as a master shapeshifter, could age her own appearance if need be?

 

Morrigan in Origin has said that, "It's not inconceivable that she could have taken on a younger/attractive form and seduced a man into her bed." She also tells Alistair that her mother has had company over from time to time, and that no he doesn't want to ask what type of company. She also tells Leliana that her mother has told her tales about the wilder men she has taken to her bed, and used them until they were spent, and that she was expected to do the same. So Flemeth has definitely been active despite her "only recently become old and wizen." 

[azarhal]

Morrigan in Origin has said that, "It's not inconceivable that she could have taken on a younger/attractive form and seduced a man into her bed." She also tells Alistair that her mother has had company over from time to time, and that no he doesn't want to ask what type of company. She also tells Leliana that her mother has told her tales about the wilder men she has taken to her bed, and used them until they were spent, and that she was expected to do the same. So Flemeth has definitely been active despite her "only recently become old and wizen." 

 

Does Flemythal looks like someone who would take a random dude to bed?

 

Flemeth mock Morrigan's understanding of everything in all three games...unless you missed it.

[animedreamer]

Does Flemythal looks like someone who would take a random dude to bed?

 

Flemeth mock Morrigan's understanding of everything in all three games...unless you missed it.

 

Why so defensive? There world isn't the same as ours, and she could have many reasons why to take a random guy as oppose to 1 specific lover. Have you forgotten the tale of Olsen and Conobar? If you recall Morrigans version of the tale, Flemeth isn't the type to put love above sensible exchanges, If you recall her words to Aveline, it would seem Flemeth herself likely never got over Olsen or likely his betrayal as she was the one who talked him into the exchange in the first place, so she likely never forgave herself for her part in it, but that doesn't mean she was dead below the waist, and she obviously had children, so if not with some random guy then who? She wasn't exactly known for attending the biggest parties, or hosting them herself. There is reason to believe she probably did it with Maric when he was on the run. Morrigan tells you she remembers when she was younger her mother having long black hair just as she does. So who is to say what Flemeth can do or has done?

[azarhal]

Why so defensive? There world isn't the same as ours, and she could have many reasons why to take a random guy as oppose to 1 specific lover. Have you forgotten the tale of Olsen and Conobar? If you recall Morrigans version of the tale, Flemeth isn't the type to put love above sensible exchanges, If you recall her words to Aveline, it would seem Flemeth herself likely never got over Olsen or likely his betrayal as she was the one who talked him into the exchange in the first place, so she likely never forgave herself for her part in it, but that doesn't mean she was dead below the waist, and she obviously had children, so if not with some random guy then who? She wasn't exactly known for attending the biggest parties, or hosting them herself. There is reason to believe she probably did it with Maric when he was on the run. Morrigan tells you she remembers when she was younger her mother having long black hair just as she does. So who is to say what Flemeth can do or has done?

 

Defensive? What am I trying to defend exactly, unlike you? I asked a question and pointed out that Flemeth dismiss everything Morrigan says so it can be used as proof of anything.

[Hair Serious Business]

Spoiler

There was Yavana too the Antivan Witch Of Wildes but Alistair killed her...or so it seems at least.

[animedreamer]

Defensive? What am I trying to defend exactly, unlike you? I asked a question and pointed out that Flemeth dismiss everything Morrigan says so it can be used as proof of anything.

"Does Flemeth look like the type to take a random guy to her bed." that's not being defensive? Right.. anyway I answered your question and why would Morrigan need to lie about that? She gains nothing from lying about Flemeth's sexual nature, unless you are implying that Morrigan mentioned this as what a another possible means to trick her companions into facing Flemeth? Have the Warden or Alistair offer her the D in exchange for something Morrigan wanted? obviously NOT. Flemeth can dismiss whatever she wants, she has her own agenda she is Mythal, she'd say anything she needed to say to get the outcome she wanted. Also i'm not sure how Flemeth dismissing Morrigan paranoia about being possessed by her mother has anything to do with Morrigan's actual first hand accounts of her mothers "company", or "wilder men". 

 

She eats, she sleeps, and yes she gets horny. and you can stop acting like it hurts her character to have had such traits as being promiscuous.

 

And what proof do I need? i assume you've played the games and heard the dialog, it's all there.

[myahele]

Does anyone know how old Yavana was? It seems as if she's well into her 100's if she got a legend about her already in Antiva.

[MasqureMan]

Does Flemythal looks like someone who would take a random dude to bed?

 

Flemeth mock Morrigan's understanding of everything in all three games...unless you missed it.

Flemeth does and says a lot of things. She absolutely strikes me as someone who, in her long life, took a random dude to bed. Where do you think the daughters come from? 

[The Ascendant]

She probably does have other daughters scattered throughout the world. Each doing her assigned task. With a long live comes great patience and a distinct outlook on life and the world. Her endgame? Revenge/justice for Mythal? What does that entail?

[LolaLei]

That we know of there was only 2 of her daughters still alive (Morrigan and Yavanna). Perhaps Yavanna was originally supposed to be the one to receive Flemeth's gift but she was clearly mad so she had a second daughter (Morrigan) who grew up to be appropriate enough to house Mythal's essence?

[Sifr]

Does anyone know how old Yavana was? It seems as if she's well into her 100's if she got a legend about her already in Antiva.

 

Since Morrigan stated in DAO that she has a normal lifespan, I think that Yavana and the other daughters probably age normally as well.

 

The Antivan Witch of the Wild that Zevran mentioned probably was one of Yavana's predecessors, as was the one who bestowed the immortality on Xenon over three hundred years ago, without telling him that it was age without youth?

[Rekkampum]

Flemeth explicitly tells Morrigan that she was "never in danger", so I'm guessing what Flemythal planned for Morrigan wasn't what we originally thought.

 

Spoiler

Of course, if you let her drink from the well, there's a pretty nice bit of irony, whatwith Morrigan's pursuit of knowledge to overcome her mother ultimately binding her to Mythal.