I realise that [C]RPG players have been conditioned into treating conversations as interrogation sessions, where the objective is to extract as much information as possible in the shortest amount of time. Nevertheless, this must end if we are to move to a more organic approach.
In other words: just because an option appears doesn't mean you have to click it. Strange, but true.
Don't try to excuse poor quality writing.
Don't try to excuse poor quality writing.
Don't try to pass off your idiosyncrasies as being due to poor quality writing.
Bah, I express my opinions, like any other user here.
As I've said multiple times in various threads here; people's cultural and aesthetic development vary. Some find Twilight a great piece of writing. Some, more developed, disregard it as utter rubbish. See what I'm implying? Taste and opinions are not equal. Some are more educated.
And to speak to Krem, there are people on the forums who still insist on using feminine pronouns for him even though it's explicitly stated that he's a he in-game. I can only imagine how people would refer to him if his gender identity was left ambiguous. There would probably be threads arguing if he's a transman, a lesbian, a butch straight woman, a teenage boy, etc.
What does that mean?
Bah, I express my opinions, like any other user here.
As I've said multiple times in various threads here; people's cultural and aesthetic development vary. Some find Twilight a great piece of writing. Some, more developed, disregard it as utter rubbish. See what I'm implying? Taste and opinions are not equal. Some are more educated.
It's pretty hilarious to see people trotting out this "shove down their throats" line. None of the DAI characters says anything about their sexuality when you meet them, or even after repeated interactions. It's only after a specific conversation that they actually reveal their preferences (Krem after Iron Bull brings you to their drinking session; Dorian after his companion quest; etc). And then, they generally don't make a big deal of it, only divulging further information if the player asks them about it. Of course, most players will ask them about it, because of the aforementioned interrogation reflex; but that's a long, long way from "shoving down throats".
And even longer way from subtlety.
And some are less educated, despite their pretensions to the contrary.
Indeed.
I can understand the argument you make to an extent, but they really are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation here. There are still people on the forums who argue that Merrill and Fenris are not actually bisexual (even though they are available to romance both males and females in DA2) because they didn't explicitly state their sexuality. They then go on to base a whole variety of arguments against LGBT characters, romances, character development, writing, etc. on the 'fact' that they are 'playersexual', even when the head writer of the series corrects them. It's the best example of how an ambiguously portrayed sexuality doesn't always benefit a character's reception.
And to speak to Krem, there are people on the forums who still insist on using feminine pronouns for him even though it's explicitly stated that he's a he in-game. I can only imagine how people would refer to him if his gender identity was left ambiguous. There would probably be threads arguing if he's a transman, a lesbian, a butch straight woman, a teenage boy, etc.
Dorian and Sera are other great examples. There are people who find Dorian's storyline to be "shoved down their throat" and others who love it and appreciate seeing stories like that in the series. There are people who find Sera's storyline to minimize lesbian characters because her sexuality isn't important to her character development and there are others who love that there's a gay character whose sexuality isn't prominent.
Bioware just needs to make decisions and stick by them because they'll never please everyone and there is no one "right" solution. I think that they did that in DA: I. I'm sure that there are others who would disagree though.
I kinda like a bit of ambiguity. I tend to think that people might be smarter than some think and don't necessarily need everything explained in excruciating detail. I admit that sexuality is one of the areas you're probably not going to win regardless, so..eh?
My real problem, though, is the moments where it's so out of left field that I feel it's the writers talking and not the character talking. The Krem conversation is just one of those. It just makes me twitch when someone takes a sledgehammer to my sense of immersion and makes me go "..really?"
Then again, Bioware's always been kind of "blunt force trauma" in their methods. Not a lot of subtlety in general - like the digs at the fanbase through the comments of the ranting guy in the Hanged Man.
And even longer way from subtlety.
Indeed.
Godspeed OP. You are a true bro. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I wasn't able to give him a like, but maybe this will do.
Pointless protest.
Pointless thread.
I mostly see mods dealing with hate and spam.
I kinda like a bit of ambiguity. I tend to think that people might be smarter than some think and don't necessarily need everything explained in excruciating detail. I admit that sexuality is one of the areas you're probably not going to win regardless, so..eh?
My real problem, though, is the moments where it's so out of left field that I feel it's the writers talking and not the character talking. The Krem conversation is just one of those. It just makes me twitch when someone takes a sledgehammer to my sense of immersion and makes me go "..really?"
Then again, Bioware's always been kind of "blunt force trauma" in their methods. Not a lot of subtlety in general - like the digs at the fanbase through the comments of the ranting guy in the Hanged Man.
Pointless protest.
Pointless thread.
I mostly see mods dealing with hate and spam.
Funny.....Allan Schumacher only liked the posts in which I admitted I deleted a part of my post that stated I was straight. From where I'm standing, his protests seem right on target.
That the OP's summary of his own post --"TL;DR: Wah Wah, Cry Cry Quitting Bioware QQ."" -- was the best thing about it.
It wasn't though, the OP did actually make some decent points, and was met with the kind of trolling and flaming that they expected. These boards are nothing if not predictable. There are people on these boards who troll in threads with topics they don't like in order to get said threads closed, and it usualy works in threads about straight romance options, however people trolling in threads about LGBT romance options threads will simply have their posts removed, and the thread will remain open. It's one rule for some and different rules for others. Granted, some of those threads DID deserve to be closed, but some didn't as well.
Something as subtle and invisible as sexuality should be portrayed as such; not a blatant shove-down-your-throat behavior of in-game bisexuals, transsexuals etc which scream about their sexuality after a few sentences.
Tell me again about how people shoved things down your throat. That was awesome!
No one shoved anything down my throat. I used the expression as an adjective describing the behavior of certain in-game characters. You should really work on improving your reading comprehension skills. I find them lacking.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
I'm not a native speaker of English, but I believe dictionaries and corpus sentences provide a sufficient definition of the word.
No one shoved anything down my throat. I used the expression as an adjective describing the behavior of certain in-game characters. You should really work on improving your reading comprehension skills. I find them lacking.
I'm not a native speaker of English, but I believe dictionaries and corpus sentences provide a sufficient definition of the word.
All I can think of when I see this thread is how most of you are proving OP's judgements.
The homosexual stuff catering to 4% of the population and those millenials who found it trendy reminds me of all the money EA is losing in countries that have banned the sales of this game.
I have gay friends, I lived with one for a long time. Doesn't mean I have to accept it and forcing it down our throats (pun intended) while removing content that would cater to the straight male population will come back to haunt them. The best thing they could've done is left Dorians character as is without the random backstory that made him look like a victim. Up until that point he was not a victim and I loved his character, afterwards I couldn't help but feel his self centered pride was nothing more than a coping mechanism for his feeling of inadequacy. It's made me depressed thinking about it. It also makes the inexperienced in the situation player think "maybe this is why they are all so flamboyant" which only causes people to think less of gay people subconsciously.
Whoever was in charge of his story had ZERO understanding of homosexuals. Maybe not even a gay consultant to make sure it doesn't offend.
Agreed wholeheartedly. Although uh....one thing. That's not a pun.
All I can think of when I see this thread is how most of you are proving OP's judgements.
The homosexual stuff catering to 4% of the population and those millenials who found it trendy reminds me of all the money EA is losing in countries that have banned the sales of this game.
I have gay friends, I lived with one for a long time. Doesn't mean I have to accept it and forcing it down our throats (pun intended) while removing content that would cater to the straight male population will come back to haunt them. The best thing they could've done is left Dorians character as is without the random backstory that made him look like a victim. Up until that point he was not a victim and I loved his character, afterwards I couldn't help but feel his self centered pride was nothing more than a coping mechanism for his feeling of inadequacy. It's made me depressed thinking about it. It also makes the inexperienced in the situation player think "maybe this is why they are all so flamboyant" which only causes people to think less of gay people subconsciously.
Whoever was in charge of his story had ZERO understanding of homosexuals. Maybe not even a gay consultant to make sure it doesn't offend.
That's interesting, since the lead writer - who is also Dorian's writer - is gay.
But hey, you have a gay friend so you probably know better.
Side note, I'm sure it'd blow your mind to read the Reddit thread about straight dudes deciding to romance Dorian because, as David Gaider put it, he's basically a gay Tony Stark, and who doesn't want to bone Tony Stark?
I'll admit, I considered it for a moment.
The OP has interesting points, but disappointed with Bioware because of the forums, more specifically the closing of threads about heterosexuality and the usual silence in between patches...
Well, I view Bioware as a source of entertainment and, as such, a developer to be judged according to the quality of what they produce (or of the content that is inexplicably missing in Inquisition). It irks me to think that this game is poised to be milked to death and that the missing RPG content is going to be brought out not as a free addon but as premium content. That would infuriate me to no end after pre-purchasing the deluxe for 70 dollars to what is a console game badly ported to the PC. Asking me for more money after being mislead would definitely have me uninstall the game, leave the forums, unlike them on whatever social sites, and shut the door for good.
To each their own, I guess.
The homosexual stuff catering to 4% of the population and those millenials who found it trendy reminds me of all the money EA is losing in countries that have banned the sales of this game..
I'm a straight guy IRL and i'm planning a Dorian romance for my third playthrough, right after finishing with the mustachioed magnificent bastard that is Gaston Trevelyan and my as yet unnamed female qunari archer.
That's interesting, since the lead writer - who is also Dorian's writer - is gay.
But hey, you have a gay friend so you probably know better.
Side note, I'm sure it'd blow your mind to read the Reddit thread about straight dudes deciding to romance Dorian because, as David Gaider put it, he's basically a gay Tony Stark, and who doesn't want to bone Tony Stark?
I'll admit, I considered it for a moment.
IndiaIs that actually very much money? Most countries with a lot of money to spend on games also have pretty decent free speech standards, last time I checked.
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