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#151
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I'm a straight guy IRL and i'm planning a Dorian romance for my third playthrough, right after finishing with the mustachioed magnificent bastard that is Gaston Trevelyan and my as yet unnamed female qunari archer.

Uh oh.  You used the S word.  Better get the hell out of dodge! :P



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Source please

Source of what, David Gaider being gay? It's David Gaider. It'll take you 10 seconds to google relevant wiki article which will provide you with a link.

re: writing Dorian specifically, http://dgaider.tumbl...ment-in-writing

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son if I had to uninstall games because of the people on the internet, my current computer would be two cooking sticks, a window frame and 6th grade circuit table

Omfg I almost pissed my pants. Seriously though, I agree. It's the internet. There are some horrible people in the world. You will find many of them here on the internet. Being a forum moderator is probably tedious with a need to facepalm at least 35 times a day. I don't think these forums specifically account for all of biowares care about their gaming community. 

 

I would also like to add that like with any business company or whatever there are most certainly employees who don't give a crap but then there are employees who genuinely do care. So lumping the entire franchise into one whole not giving a crap about the community is unfair. I have worked in customer service enough to know this to be true. Not a company of this size of course but it is all inevitably the same some employees care, some don't. 


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#154
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Source of what, David Gaider being gay? It's David Gaider. It'll take you 10 seconds to google relevant wiki article which will provide you with a link.re: writing Dorian specifically, http://dgaider.tumbl...ment-in-writing

I know I just felt like making you do the work

Plus he seems to love DA wymn

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#155
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The homosexual stuff catering to 4% of the population and those millenials who found it trendy reminds me of all the money EA is losing in countries that have banned the sales of this game.

 

Most of us straight people can cope with a few gay and bisexual characters in our games without requesting a fainting couch. BioWare have made it pretty clear that the ones that can't can just play some other game.

 

Here is one of their GaymerX panel talks, because it always bears reposting.


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#156
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Most of us straight people can cope with a few gay and bisexual characters in our games without requesting a fainting couch. BioWare have made it pretty clear that the ones that can't can just play some other game.
 
Here is one of their GaymerX panel talks, because it always bears reposting.


That's not even what I was saying.
My point was that EA effectively shot themselves in the foot by creating a "fully gay" not "55% gay" character by isolating the consumer base. I understand the need for progressivism in this social injustice but they went about it the wrong way. You wonder why EA keeps losing money? Well it's because they don't take the consumers needs into consideration.

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That's not even what I was saying.
My point was that EA effectively shot themselves in the foot by creating a "fully gay" not "55% gay" character by isolating the consumer base. I understand the need for progressivism in this social injustice but they went about it the wrong way. You wonder why EA keeps losing money? Well it's because they don't take the consumers needs into consideration.

How does creating gay characters isolate the consumer base? What are the consumers "needs" exactly? Not having any LGBT content?



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How does creating gay characters isolate the consumer base? What are the consumers "needs" exactly? Not having any LGBT content?


As stated previously they effectively isolated Billions of dollars in revenue in countries that do not accept these types of things into their culture. EA even said screw them anyways.
The fact that I have a gay friend vs the writer being openly gay shouldn't matter anyways because regardless of what you may have been taught in liberal arts, some people actually DO have a gay agenda and it is quite obvious when a company who "only cares about money" effectively loses billions for the purpose of pushing said agenda.

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As stated previously they effectively isolated Billions of dollars in revenue in countries that do not accept these types of things into their culture. EA even said screw them anyways.
The fact that I have a gay friend vs the writer being openly gay shouldn't matter anyways because regardless of what you may have been taught in liberal arts, some people actually DO have a gay agenda and it is quite obvious when a company who "only cares about money" effectively loses billions for the purpose of pushing said agenda.

If Bioware is actively trying to NOT attract those types of people to the game then they aren't the consumer base are they? Bioware aren't losing out on something they never had. If that's the case then they're  losing out on the money of people who aren't interested in videogames at all, should they have made a film instead?



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As stated previously they effectively isolated Billions of dollars in revenue in countries that do not accept these types of things into their culture. EA even said screw them anyways.

What countries would that be, specifically?

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As stated previously they effectively isolated Billions of dollars in revenue in countries that do not accept these types of things into their culture. EA even said screw them anyways.

 

I feel bad for Dragon Age fans in countries that can't play the game because there are gay characters in it, but somehow I don't think making Dorian bisexual would have helped any. It isn't EA's fault that some places have ridiculous censorship policies.

 

I doubt EA cares more about pusing the 'gay agenda' (LOL) than making money. They just have views on where to best get that money from that don't align with yours.


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#162
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I feel sorry for the people in Australia who can't play GTAV. One of the best games ever made.



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Yep
No agenda here
Just an army of SJW's who claim 180 BILLION dollar profit margin doesn't affect the company in any way

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I feel bad for Dragon Age fans in countries that can't play the game because there are gay characters in it, but somehow I don't think making Dorian bisexual would have helped any. It isn't EA's fault that some places have ridiculous censorship policies.

 

I doubt EA cares more about pusing the 'gay agenda' (LOL) than making money. They just have views on where to best get that money from that don't align with yours.

 

Exactly this ^

 

Also, what's a "gay agenda"?  Seriously, as a gay man who has been accused of being a 'SJW' (as if that's an insult.....), I have no idea what a gay agenda is.  Are you using it to mean wanting to see more gay-related content?  Are you using it in some other way? 



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I feel sorry for the people in Australia who can't play GTAV. One of the best games ever made.

 

Um, we can?

 

I don't know if it was censored like South Park: The Stick of Truth, but it's certainly for sale.

 

Yep
No agenda here
Just an army of SJW's who claim 180 BILLION dollar profit margin doesn't affect the company in any way

 

What are you basing that figure on? Are you perchance assuming that everyone in India would have bought Dragon Age if it weren't for those awful gays?



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Yep
No agenda here
Just an army of SJW's who claim 180 BILLION dollar profit margin doesn't affect the company in any way

What are you talking about? EA's entire revenue per year is around 3.5-4 billion according to their own financial reports. Please, enlighten us where exactly do you imagine they'd be making 180 billions if only it wasn't for that awful, awful gay agenda?
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I feel bad for Dragon Age fans in countries that can't play the game because there are gay characters in it, but somehow I don't think making Dorian bisexual would have helped any. It isn't EA's fault that some places have ridiculous censorship policies.

 

I doubt EA cares more about pusing the 'gay agenda' (LOL) than making money. They just have views on where to best get that money from that don't align with yours.

 

Even if they did, I mean...well, so what?  I guess I don't see the unthinking acquisition of wealth via unfettered and amoral capitalism as a virtue of greater value than trying to make people feel included and respected (or indeed, artistic integrity.)  But I'm a filthy socialist like that.



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Did I just get called an SJW? That's too funny, I believe many who have seen me post before would be offended that they have let their standards slip something fierce. Those SJWs are letting anyone join up these days. 



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Um, we can?

 

I don't know if it was censored like South Park: The Stick of Truth, but it's certainly for sale.

 

 

 

I thought it was banned due to the ridiculous campaign saying the game promoted both physical and sexual violence against women?



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Did I just get called an SJW? That's too funny, I believe many who have seen me post before would be offended that they have let their standards slip something fierce. Those SJWs are letting anyone join up these days. 

 

Nope.  That's how it works SnakeCode.  You don't get to self-identify as a SJW; it's appointed on you by a forumite.  And now you are one of us!  For ALL TIME.  Welcome.  I've made cookies.  :D

 

And now you can also probably see why it holds almost no actual weight as a insult.


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Exactly this ^
 
Also, what's a "gay agenda"?  Seriously, as a gay man who has been accused of being a 'SJW' (as if that's an insult.....), I have no idea what a gay agenda is.  Are you using it to mean wanting to see more gay-related content?  Are you using it in some other way?


First off assume want you want but to claim being an SJW is not a bad thing is to claim to be an SJW.
The gay agenda is to try to force people to sympathize with a cause that may not be applicable to a real life situation and the way the story was written it was most definitely forced upon the gamer. No gay person I associate with push this kind of crap. I marched in the gay pride parade with my wife so stop trying to act like you support them because a real homosexual simply wants to be treated as if they are a normal person not as if they need sympathy from everybody around them and that is exactly what this story pushed upon us

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I thought it was banned due to the ridiculous campaign saying the game promoted both physical and sexual violence against women?

 

AFAIK there was one chain of stores in Australia that opted not to stock it, but it wasn't banned all together.  Think Walmart refusing to stock gangsta rap rather than India making it illegal to sell DA:I.



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Nope.  That's how it works SnakeCode.  You don't get to self-identify as a SJW; it's appointed on you by a forumite.  And now you are one of us!  For ALL TIME.  Welcome.  I've made cookies.  :D

 

And now you can also probably see why it holds almost no actual weight as a insult.

Mmmm, Tastes of despair.


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First off assume want you want but to claim being an SJW is not a bad thing is to claim to be an SJW.
The gay agenda is to try to force people to sympathize with a cause that may not be applicable to a real life situation and the way the story was written it was most definitely forced upon the gamer. No gay person I associate with push this kind of crap. I marched in the gay pride parade with my wife so stop trying to act like you support them because a real homosexual simply wants to be treated as if they are a normal person not as if they need sympathy from everybody around them and that is exactly what this story pushed upon us

 

Wait, did I just get told that I'm not "a real homosexual"?!? 

 

Gurllllllll.....

 

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#175
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Nope.  That's how it works SnakeCode.  You don't get to self-identify as a SJW; it's appointed on you by a forumite.  And now you are one of us!  For ALL TIME.  Welcome.  I've made cookies.  :D

 

And now you can also probably see why it holds almost no actual weight as a insult.

 

Do I still get cookies if I'm a social justice rogue?  The social justice warrior is my alt.


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