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[KallianxZevran]

Hi Bioware Dragon Age and Mass Effect Development Teams,

My name is Jessica and I live in Florida. I have been playing your Mass Effect and Dragon Age series from the very beginning and I am 24 years old. I love your games to death. I play them in mutiple routes and characters and regardless of how you change your battle system I still love them for the story and the characters. I have just two issues with a pattern I've noticed in the games.

1. Heartbreak Marathon or Romances missing proper closure for straight women.

Dragon Age Inquisition Examples:
Varric Tethras -explained and accepted even if I wish after Bianca's betrayal and marriage to an orlesian dwarf he would be available.
Blackwall- Liar and leaves you after everything once he had sex with you in the barn.
Solas- Understandable for plot point epilogue is a mystery. Being Fen'Harel is badass! Flemith/Mythal possessed him or the reverse who knows but you. Explanation promised to my inquisitor however and yet he vanishes with no true explanation. (DLC with some hopeful positive closure please.)

Mass Effect 2/3 Examples:
Kal'Reegar: Total quarian fan service I loved. Not a LI but fair...his death in an email? Why? Time constraints maybe?
Thane: Knew he was dying but hey he died a warrior...okay did Shepard have to be locked away for however long and not see him...he is a sneaky assassin.
Shepard survival in 3rd game: Why no survival celebration or lover's reunion!
Javik and James: Sleep with them once in Citadel DLC but no true relationship....I liked Javik's gruff personality I call that a tease!
JOKER: He is another character I loved his romance with EDI but after everything if he could find love with an AI why not with a witty Shepard.

2. Lack of style choices for people who like exotic styles for appearance on consoles.

PC gamers can do mod codes. Console players not so much (I play on PS3). I would like to see some longer hairstyles for characters. I don't like the half shaved look and it would be fun having long hair styled elaborately for certain scenes.


So again I absolutely love your games but, The guys get these deeply involved romances most ending on a positive note while women are left out to dry with no conclusion or teases. WHY?! I love everything else about the games I just want my happy ending too!        

[Zobert]

Yes, many say this.  The level of caring about this is next to nil.  You'll just have to write fanfiction.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Good thing you speak for straight women.

 

Edit: I apologize for this rather flippant response.

[whitless256]

Discussion already exists only a page back.

 

http://forum.bioware...sible-spoilers/

[Zobert]

Good thing you speak for all straight women.

 

She never said she was speaking for straight women.  She said Bioware breaks the heart of all straight female characters.  She's wrong.  They break the hearts of a lot of them, but not all.

 

However, she didn't say she was speaking for straight women...so you're both kinda wrong.

[Andraste_Reborn]

1. My Inquisitor got a happy ending with Blackwall (even thought he didn't cover her up with blanket when he snuck out of the hayloft.)

 

2. While I'm still sobbing into my cider over Varric not being a romance option, I don't think he belongs on this list. They never said he was going to be one. Same with the various unromanceable guys from Mass Effect - BioWare don't owe us a romance with every character we find attractive.

 

3. I'm not sure why you think only straight women care about their characters having long hair.

[Zobert]

1. My Inquisitor got a happy ending with Blackwall (even thought he didn't cover her up with blanket when he snuck out of the hayloft.)

 

2. While I'm still sobbing into my cider over Varric not being a romance option, I don't think he belongs on this list. They never said he was going to be one. Same with the various unromanceable guys from Mass Effect - BioWare don't owe us a romance with every character we find attractive.

 

3. I'm not sure why you think only straight women care about their characters having long hair.

 

Question: is it required that people caveat everything they say to be inclusive of everyone who may agree while also making a statement disbarring any attempts to speak for others?  That feels very schizophrenic.

 

Not picking on your specifically, just an observation about this forum I find curious.

[Elsariel]

I could have sworn we already have a big long thread about this .  

 

That said, Varric was never an LI to begin with so he doesn't count.  Blackwall is not heartbreaking because you have the opportunity to reunite with him.  Solas is pretty much the ONLY one in DAI to earn the heartbreak title and yet, I don't think we're quite done with his story so I would put him in the "tentative" list.

 

Why are you completely ignoring Iron Bull and Cullen?

 

 

(I don't know **** about Mass Effect so I can't comment there.)

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

Not picking on your specifically, just an observation about this forum I find curious.

 

The title of this thread refers to 'all straight female characters', which does rather imply an attempt to speak for everyone.

[KallianxZevran]

My intent was not truly meant to speak for all. I suppose I was a bit ranty when I wrote this. I feel that Cullen Romance was sweet he just isn't my first choice. As for IronBull he is with both genders which I think is fantastic. It's just a trend I've noticed with Bioware. Also I am not personally into the D/S or S/M thing Bull does. Its interesting but not my cup of tea.

 

I appreciated the replies and of course guys can have long hair if they want to. I just meant in general though looking back my phrasing is focusing more on my female playthroughs then my male I will admit.

 

I just feel sad that almost any game I have played I am either completely charmed by the ones who end in tragedy in some form of heartbreak be it temporary or otherwise. I know Varric was not likely a LI but I never stopped hoping and Bianca's betrayal opened that hope for me again. (I don't watch all the romance interest spoiler forums since I like discovering as I play.) 

 

That being said I love their games. I just feel that they always have more tragic love interests for the straight female characters than happier ones.

[KallianxZevran]

Yes, many say this.  The level of caring about this is next to nil.  You'll just have to write fanfiction.

Lol which I am working on believe it or not. My imagination however runs wild and in unpredictable fragments so writing them out is a pain. 

[whitless256]

My intent was not truly meant to speak for all. I suppose I was a bit ranty when I wrote this. I feel that Cullen Romance was sweet he just isn't my first choice. As for IronBull he is with both genders which I think is fantastic. It's just a trend I've noticed with Bioware. Also I am not personally into the D/S or S/M thing Bull does. Its interesting but not my cup of tea.

 

I appreciated the replies and of course guys can have long hair if they want to. I just meant in general though looking back my phrasing is focusing more on my female playthroughs then my male I will admit.

 

I just feel sad that almost any game I have played I am either completely charmed by the ones who end in tragedy in some form of heartbreak be it temporary or otherwise. I know Varric was not likely a LI but I never stopped hoping and Bianca's betrayal opened that hope for me again. (I don't watch all the romance interest spoiler forums since I like discovering as I play.) 

 

That being said I love their games. I just feel that they always have more tragic love interests for the straight female characters than happier ones.

 

Definitely check out that other thread.  Lots of folks agree, though I'm not one of them.   Though I do appreciate your tone in this.  You're very polite.   Lots of folks get heated about this topic.

[KallianxZevran]

Discussion already exists only a page back.

 

http://forum.bioware...sible-spoilers/

I just went and checked it out thanks for sharing their are so many I sometimes miss the posts threads.

[KallianxZevran]

Definitely check out that other thread.  Lots of folks agree, though I'm not one of them.   Though I do appreciate your tone in this.  You're very polite.   Lots of folks get heated about this topic.

Thank you very much. I always try to be polite and never get to the hot head stage.  I really do love both series of games and not all may agree and I appreciate their views for sure perspective is everything in creating a story especially its characters in order to make them real. Bioware has that down to an art from what I've seen. I just want one sarcastic witty Female only MLI to be the sexy one who makes my character happy or at least content rather than the tragic break up or vanishing end.

 

Who knows Bioware may surprise me yet. (Think they will give us a male quarian romance in the next Mass Effect I wonder   )

 

And now I am speculating for fun. Again thanks for your positive and understanding response!

[Zobert]

I'm just curious why people assume every new poster has prior knowledge of all threads and rants that were ever made on here.  It can't be the search function for this forum because that stinks, so perhaps the magical spirit of the game has confused the posters here?

 

This is the Feedback area.  I will assume like other company feedback areas they encourage people to give them feedback here rather than tie up their phone lines and rather than provide customer service agents.

[Zobert]

The title of this thread refers to 'all straight female characters', which does rather imply an attempt to speak for everyone.

 

No, a "character" is not a person on this forum.  It is a character in a game.  Characters--shhhh--don't actually have feelings.  I know they are well written--props to Gaider--but they still are prewritten, you don't have choices outside what they give you to say, ergo she's not speaking for humans other than herself.

 

Now had she said "all straight female gamers" you may be onto something, but you'd still be nitpicking.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

She never said she was speaking for straight women. 

 

1. Heartbreak Marathon or Romances missing proper closure for straight women.
 

women are left out to dry with no conclusion or teases.

 

It's certainly implied.

[Andraste_Reborn]

No, a "character" is not a person on this forum.  It is a character in a game.  Characters--shhhh--don't actually have feelings.  I know they are well written--props to Gaider--but they still are prewritten, you don't have choices outside what they give you to say, ergo she's not speaking for humans other than herself.

 

But BioWare doesn't break the hearts of all straight female characters. Or all straight female PCs, even.

[Elsariel]

I'm just curious why people assume every new poster has prior knowledge of all threads and rants that were ever made on here.  It can't be the search function for this forum because that stinks, so perhaps the magical spirit of the game has confused the posters here?

 

I would grant a person this if the old thread was OLD and hadn't been talked about recently but the other thread regarding this topic is still active.

[KallianxZevran]

Again was not my intent to truly speak for all parties. I just spoke mostly from my personal experience and a few friends we literally had a full two weeks where around the clock we all tried different paths and different romances. We played and in most cases were sad with how our romances ended.

 

I shalt not ever claim to speak for all and my ranty typing may have implied more than was intended as for the other thread I am dyslexic so when I try to read some things I miss some posts easily due to my reading deficiency.  

 

Again apologies for those my rant may have offended and for those with easy going opinions thank you all the more.

[Zobert]

It's certainly implied.

 

Even if it were implied, which I think is subjective, it still doesn't require that we speak so formally in a "Feedback and Suggestions" forum where we are speaking to Bioware the company, as to caveat everything we say so that we're neither inclusive or exclusive.  First, that adds unnecessary verbage and makes people overly formal, and second, it truly goes without saying that we all know we don't speak for the universe.

 

Seriously?  Show of hands, who here believes they are empowered to speak for <insert special interest group>?  We don't.  It's figurative language with some borrowing of gender that we align with.  I'm sorry but that's not a sin.  That's relaxed linguistics.

 

I get that some people are extremely sensitive but that's their own burden.  The OP was addressing Bioware, not those people.

 

Set an example and people will follow.  Tell people they're bad or wrong and then people like me feel rebellious.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Again was not my intent to truly speak for all parties. I just spoke mostly from my personal experience and a few friends we literally had a full two weeks where around the clock we all tried different paths and different romances. We played and in most cases were sad with how our romances ended.

 

I shalt not ever claim to speak for all and my ranty typing may have implied more than was intended as for the other thread I am dyslexic so when I try to read some things I miss some posts easily due to my reading deficiency.  

 

Again apologies for those my rant may have offended and for those with easy going opinions thank you all the more.

 

There wasn't anything offensive about it.

 

But I have to disagree that straight female women or characters are getting their hearts broken by BioWare on an increased scale. Some people have already pointed out that there are a number of romances that can actually turn out well.

 

Mass Effects 2 and 3 aren't the best examples, because they all eventually have the same ending - for all genders. In the end, everybody's Shep dies. The tragedy isn't targeting women, specifically.

 

As for Dragon Age, female characters are actually the only ones who can end up ruling with Alistair (short of modding the game.) And I can't help but notice that your personal tastes and judgments do figure into a number of your examples, and that you specifically don't include a large number of the love interests. Your examples don't really form a majority of the potential story eventualities.

 

Perhaps the "happier" endings don't feature characters who you're interested in seeing the romances for, but when it comes to storytelling, the writers do need some freedom to tell their story. They can't really write happy endings for every potential character, or the stories would lack drama.

[Zobert]

I would grant a person this if the old thread was OLD and hadn't been talked about recently but the other thread regarding this topic is still active.

 

And I would agree if this weren't the Feedback section.  I only joined because I had respawning bears and wanted to rant.  That's what this is for.  Its how EA gets away with not having a customer service desk.  They "encourage you" to use the forums.

[Zobert]

There wasn't anything offensive about it.

 

But I have to disagree that straight female women or characters are getting their hearts broken by BioWare on an increased scale. Some people have already pointed out that there are a number of romances that can actually turn out well.

 

Mass Effects 2 and 3 aren't the best examples, because they all eventually have the same ending - for all genders. In the end, everybody's Shep dies. The tragedy isn't targeting women, specifically.

 

As for Dragon Age, female characters are actually the only ones who can end up ruling with Alistair (short of modding the game.) And I can't help but notice that your personal tastes and judgments do figure into a number of your examples, and that you specifically don't include a large number of the love interests. Your examples don't really form a majority of the potential story eventualities.

 

Perhaps the "happier" endings don't feature characters who you're interested in seeing the romances for, but when it comes to storytelling, the writers do need some freedom to tell their story. They can't really write happy endings for every potential character, or the stories would lack drama.

 

Why do "they" need drama?  If they need it they shouldn't require the people playing to pay money for the game so those people can play it.  They are writing for the players.  If they were writing for themselves they'd go to fanfiction sites or put out a novel.  It's a symbiotic relationship.

 

You disagree with the poster and also have a voice and can write your own feedback to Bioware saying how much you love it.  It needn't be a criticism of her phrasing, her opinion, etc.

 

You could say, "You know, i disagree, here's why:..." but you chose to tell her first not to speak for you (that was harsh for an opener) and then basically schooled her on how she put it and what's wrong with her opinion.

 

I find that overly negative and unnecessary. 

 

You will and can choose to disagree with me, however.  i won't cry.  It's just a forum to me. 

[KallianxZevran]

And that is certainly true! most of the romances I was interested in was in regards to my taste and that of my friends and by no means speaks for everyone but, many scenarios have similar endings to which we were disappointed. There were some happy endings (Zevran turned out with much better closure than I hoped for in origins. Alistair is like Cullen to me, sweet but jaded and humorous. Not my cup of tea but I did that romance on a trial run with my friends as well.

 

In Mass effect if they choose to destroy the reapers(red Option) in the final cut scenes you will see Shepard take a breath indicating survival but that may have been part of the extended endings that was released I can't recall.

 

No not all female LI's end in tragedy and heartbreak but several of them do. In our Blackwall run my friends and I didn't see them get back together and we never made the selection to break off the relationship either...odd maybe a glitch?