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[TheChris92]

There's no such thing as a product that caters to everyone and the SJWs have time and time again proven that they're against the existence of games that don't fit their ideological bent like Hatred, GTA, Bayonetta, Duke Nukem,etc.

Aside from GTA, I find some of your examples to be rather odd. Lot of people looked at Bayonetta positively, especially those that have been labelled with that garbage term. Hatred is generally considered a controversial game, for the sake of being controversial, I don't see what it has to do with this. Duke Nuke 'Em's childish antics is something gamers have grown away from now, not to mention its outdated gameplay -- You can be whacky and stupid like Saints Row, without being tasteless. It seems to be a game that a lot of people don't care about (see reception of Forever)

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

There's room enough for both Lara Croft & Nathan Drake.

Is depressing the amount of people who do see the gaming industry as not having room for female characters & get angry if a game has a PC who isn't the usual "skinheaded male with a beard" that keeps getting recycled over & over. They're the type of people who refuse to even play RPG's that have a optional female choice, i remember arguing with a guy who hated on DA2 prior to release simply cos F!Hawke existed & he only considered "real games" as games with a male main character only, anything else was a "lame joke & agenda"

[Stefan Burnett]

What I really hate is the restriction of creative freedoms and agenda pushing. If you want to make a game with a female protagonist go right ahead, I'm not stopping you. What I can't stand is when people start complaining that something isn't the way they want it and try to force it to be changed. People complain about irrelevant things in games such as how diverse the cast of characters is and that they want to force their own (usually far left social justice) agendas onto the developers. Game devs and publishers can cater a game to whoever they want, it doesn't have to always appeal to you. There is a thing called a free market, if you don't like that, for example, that a game has a male/female protatgonist don't buy it. Quit shoving your beliefs onto everyone else and trying to make the world think like you.

[SlottsMachine]

well personally i loved running around an empty house as far as gameplay goes Gone Home is my favourite game ever would have been better if it wasnt set in the 90s though, seeing a vhs reminds me of how old i am

 

LOL. Hey, I enjoyed it too for what it was. You just won't see me heaping praise on it. And I think most people were walking around but whether it was lag or a glitch, it certainly seemed like I was booking it everywhere. Haha.  

[Wires_From_The_Wall]

Is depressing the amount of people who do see the gaming industry as not having room for female characters & get angry if a game has a PC who isn't the usual "skinheaded male with a beard" that keeps getting recycled over & over. They're the type of people who refuse to even play RPG's that have a optional female choice, i remember arguing with a guy who hated on DA2 prior to release simply cos F!Hawke existed & he only considered "real games" as games with a male main character only, anything else was a "lame joke & agenda"

 

I think this weird extremist group you describe would have to make so tiny in size and otherwise insignificant in every imaginable way that it can't be easy to get depressed about them. Only example you yourself provided is like half a decade of age.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I think this weird extremist group you describe would have to make so tiny in size and otherwise insignificant in every imaginable way that it can't be easy to get depressed about them. Only example you yourself provided is like half a decade of age.

Id like to believe that, but the amount of people who just dismiss games that have strong female characters as pushing an agenda makes me think otherwise

[Seboist]

Aside from GTA, I find some of your examples to be rather odd. Lot of people looked at Bayonetta positively, especially those that have been labelled with that garbage term. Hatred is generally considered a controversial game, for the sake of being controversial, I don't see what it has to do with this. Duke Nuke 'Em's childish antics is something gamers have grown away from now, not to mention its outdated gameplay -- You can be whacky and stupid like Saints Row, without being tasteless. It seems to be a game that a lot of people don't care about (see reception of Forever)

 

Bayonetta's been attacked by Anita, polygon and others and there's plenty of other games that have been attacked by the same SJW vermin, like Dragon's Crown,Witcher,etc for having themes, art direction,etc they disagree with(and often fabricrated ones at that, ala GTA's "promotion of violence against women").

 

As for Duke Nukem having "childish antics" and gamers having "grown away from it", that's like, just your opinion man. Reason why Forever wasn't received well was due to incompetent management that resulted in a mediocre game, much like Aliens: Colonial Marines but I'm sure you knew that already.

[KingTony]

Id like to believe that, but the amount of people who just dismiss games that have strong female characters as pushing an agenda makes me think otherwise

There are like four and a half people who actually do that. This particular slight is imagined on your part.

[Fast Jimmy]

There are like four and a half people who actually do that. This particular slight is imagined on your part.

Let's not do that.

[Seboist]

Is depressing the amount of people who do see the gaming industry as not having room for female characters & get angry if a game has a PC who isn't the usual "skinheaded male with a beard" that keeps getting recycled over & over. They're the type of people who refuse to even play RPG's that have a optional female choice, i remember arguing with a guy who hated on DA2 prior to release simply cos F!Hawke existed & he only considered "real games" as games with a male main character only, anything else was a "lame joke & agenda"

 

Looks like you're largely going on about a strawman that exists solely in your imagination, considering the fact that there were numerous female protags even back in the 80s. Neither is there a shortage of non-"skinhead males with beards" if one were to go out and look for 'em.

 

What's wrong with people not wanting to play games where they don't care for the protag? That's their prerogative and I've never gotten all butthurt over BSNers whom have admitted that they don't care for Witcher since they can't play as  femprotag.

 

As far as DA2 is concerned, it has enough problems with being a rushed mediocre game with an asinine plot for anyone to care too much about whom they're playing as quite frankly.

[TheChris92]

Bayonetta's been attacked by Anita, polygon and others and there's plenty of other games that have been attacked by the same SJW vermin, like Dragon's Crown,Witcher,etc for having themes, art direction,etc they disagree with(and often fabricrated ones at that, ala GTA's "promotion of violence against women").

Is this the part where I have to counter this by naming some names who thinks otherwise of Bayonetta, just to fuel the fire in this pointless argument? Polygon liked the game -- it's only the occasional jarring up-and-close camera panning that was granted criticism, which even BioWare have been doing with Mass Effect, but not enough to prevent the game from getting a big recommendation. Heck, it'll be just as bad if Whacky-Koji-Pro decided to pan camera towards Snake's ass every 5 seconds in Phantom Pain, it's downright distracting and pointlessly jaded. Anyway, I read the review and there weren't any dislike towards Bayonetta's character or her representation..
 

As for Duke Nukem having "childish antics" and gamers having "grown away from it", that's like, just your opinion man. Reason why Forever wasn't received well was due to incompetent management that resulted in a mediocre game, much like Aliens: Colonial Marines but I'm sure you knew that already.

It might be my opinion, sure, but it's apparently not an opinion I share alone, because it was implemented into a lot of the criticism towards the game, along with its poor game-design. Duke Nuke 'Em only has its immature humor to balance itself on, which don't hold over well with the modern day, as it would appear -- The uninspired shooting mechanics and other gameplay-related issues don't hold up anymore. Saints Row stands attest to the fact that you can have whacky humor, in all its Kool-Aid-drinking-from-a-clown-shoe-zany glory, without being tasteless and plain dumb. In other words, Duke Nuke 'Em was a target of criticism from all corners.

You are right, however, that Gearbox's management has proven to be incredibly poor with its recent titles. I'll give you that one.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

There are like four and a half people who actually do that. This particular slight is imagined on your part.

Don't patronise me with that "nothings wrong, your just imagining things" BS, ive had enough experience of the outdated "women don't belong in gaming" belief to know that its not imaginary & all in my head when it comes to certain guys who have a problem with female characters & female gamers in general

[Seboist]

Is this the part where I have to counter this by naming some names who thinks otherwise of Bayonetta, just to fuel the fire in this pointless argument? Polygon liked the game -- it's only the occasional jarring up-and-close camera panning that was granted criticism, which even BioWare have been doing with Mass Effect, but not enough to prevent the game from getting a big recommendation. I read the review and there weren't any dislike towards Bayonetta's character or her representation..
 
It might be my opinion, sure, but it's apparently not an opinion I share alone, because it was implemented into a lot of the criticism towards the game, along with its poor game-design. Duke Nuke 'Em only has its immature humor to balance itself on, which don't hold over well with the modern day, as it would appear -- The uninspired shooting mechanics and other gameplay-related issues don't hold up anymore. Saints Row stands attest to the fact that you can have whacky humor, in all its Kool-Aid-drinking-from-a-clown-shoe-zany glory, without being tasteless and plain dumb. In other words, Duke Nuke 'Em was a target of criticism from all corners.

You are right, however, that Gearbox's management has proven to be incredibly poor with its recent titles. I'll give you that one.

 

Polygon lowered their score of Bayonetta due to their petty gripe with the game. Pretty humorous that christian game reviewers are more objective than these SJW wankers.

 

And your holding up a game with fart jars and purple dildos as being more "tasteful" and "mature" than Duke 3D and it's 1980s action hero humor is downright bizarre but I suppose it's to be expected from the bsn, after all, I've seen people on here slamming JRPGs as being "linear" and "railroaded" while praising Mass Effect...

 

And like I said, Duke Forever was only bad due to mismanagement from 3d Realms + Gearbox, not "immature humor", "sexism" or whatever inane gripe SJWs have with it.

[General TSAR]

SJW crap that gets shoved down the throats of gamers is always annoying.

[TheChris92]

Polygon lowered their score of Bayonetta due to their petty gripe with the game. Pretty humorous that christian game reviewers are more objective than these SJW wankers.

I think there's a lot of presumption in this statement. Irregardless, it doesn't change the fact that they still didn't dislike the game, despite any grievances. Evidently, this next bit is going to be a bit subjective. But scores are seemingly pointless, as I feel they cannot summarize a complex opinion. I read the entire review, and I could barely find any criticism of the overall game, or Bayonetta's character/representation (which was my original point). Take that for what you will.
 
 
 

And your holding up a game with fart jars and purple dildos as being more "tasteful" and "mature" than Duke 3D and it's 1980s action hero humor is downright bizarre

Action hero humor? Aaaaaargh, that's stretching it a bit, buddy. I don't believe I called it tasteful or mature, I did however argue that its whacky content is endearing enough to warrant the praise it's gotten, along with the gameplay which isn't that inspiring in the first place -- Going from being a Grand Theft Auto clone, to Crackdown & PROTOTYPE.
 
 
 

but I suppose it's to be expected from the bsn, after all, I've seen people on here slamming JRPGs as being "linear" and "railroaded" while praising Mass Effect...

Ouch. Well, I've played Xenoblade Chronicles and a few other JRPGs that have sprawly open world content, but of course are ultimately still linear, but they are great. I find it sad that you would label me in this category. That's a shame.
  

And like I said, Duke Forever was only bad due to mismanagement from 3d Realms + Gearbox, not "immature humor", "sexism" or whatever inane gripe SJWs have with it.

Nah, it wasn't. There were other issues as you no doubt can see in its general reception. You can, however, choose not to agree with it which I assume you do.

[KingTony]

EDIT: Never mind, I was antagonizing for the sake of it.

[KingTony]

EvilClown pls

I know, I have a real problem.

[Killdren88]

Honestly I just wanna play and enjoy my games without getting involved in any political agenda.

[General TSAR]

They're either true believers in all of the SJW nonsense, or they like the publicity. Probably the later.

Good point.

 

Like AC:Unity or FC4, they didn't include a female assassin/co-op buddy and all the SJW backlash earned them free publicity.