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A lot of these SJW wankers are not only not part of the audience for these games but don't know a damn thing about them either.
Their butthurt is over this character from Metal Gear Solid V: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Quiet
Quiet is best MGS character simply because of how easily her design pisses off radical feminists. Never change Japan.
If Tumblr existed in Thedas I can see Anders's blog already #Oppression #AllMages
If Anders had a Tumblr, he'd probably get PTSD from Fenris trolling it.
'Social Justice Warrior' is an utterly laughable term. 'You try to make things more inclusive for people! DAMN YOU!'
Will never understand that term.
And, yes, I would imagine that making a game more inclusive will indeed increase sales. The safer and more comfortable more people feel with a game's content and attitude, the more it will be recommended in different social circles, surely?
A common misconception. Social justice warriors are extremists who want to preform acts of bigotry and cyber-vigilantism to people they feel deserve it, based upon their sex, race, or skin color. It just so happens that their form of bigotry is targeted towards people whose ancestry were traditionally dominant and for the benefit of those whose ancestry suffered past grievances against them.
Social Justice Warriors got us such ridiculous concepts as "Racism is power + prejudice", a flawed notion that anyone with even a passing knowledge of logic or reason can dismiss as utter BS. It's also seen such mindests as death threats, doxxings(putting a persons private information online and mass spreading it), and swattings(calling in a fake 911 call, often involving a crazed hostage taker and possible terrorist connotations in order to get a lethal swat team response sent to a persons house), are perfectly moral things to do to people in a political debate, because their politics disagreed with their own and thus they were oppressors in waiting.
Its not about bringing people together or making things equal. Its about retroactive punishment, and guilt based upon cultural norms that may or may not even exist, and have no way of being objectively proven or observed.
Never confuse the two, for it diminishes the later in favor of promoting the former.
On top of what Jensaarai said, SJWism is an extreme left totalitarian ideology that seeks to force it's narrow minded puritanical morality upon all society and media. They have no qualms with shutting people up, ruining their liveliloods(like the former ceo of mozilla and the black guy behind "#notyourshield") or even causing them physical harm (ex. the swatting) for not conforming to their beliefs.
When it comes to gaming, SJWism isn't about access, or equal opportunity to create games they like (they've always had that, and mostly declined). It's not about diversity, ensuring that different people with different tastes all have games they enjoy. It's about the same thing every totalitarian ideology is always about: destroying something of value that they didn't create and don't control.
First they went after television and managed to get that "censored" to lower crime. When that didn't work they went after comic books again to lower crime. Then they went after the EVIL VILE rock'n'roll music that was corrupting Western culture, and kind of failed...sort of...I believe such campaigns have started focusing more on rap now...
Which then led to an overturning of the Comic's Code Authority, as well as more liberal (in respect to prior programming) television programs. Now they seem to be waging a war on video games, but their message is constantly changing.
I'm sure they'll be another controversy in about 10 years (if not less).
To play Devil's Advocate, crime across all of Industrialized countries in the world, where TV, movies and video games are most prevalent, has gone done since the early 90's, timed right with these type of Tipper Gore campaigns. I don't think the two are related in any way, but I don't think you can just as dismissively wave them off as failures, either.
There may be a correlation (which is probably the wrong word) but it may be unrelated. To put another way, there may have been a decrease, but it's unlikely that one thing had any affect on the other.
I was more referring to the type of censorship seen post WW2 to (at least) the 1980's (it may have ended earlier) that was seen with comic books and television. I know even less about the anti-rock'n'roll movement that occurred during that time, and even less of music from the '90's onward.
If I recall correctly, crime's more related to the amount of people concentrated in a particular area than to any cultural phenomenon.
It's interesting - it's actually not just focused on area, but on specific GROUPS in that area. And I don't mean demographic groups, but social groups that engage in crime and other risk-engaging activities.There may be a correlation (which is probably the wrong word) but it may be unrelated. To put another way, there may have been a decrease, but it's unlikely that one thing had any affect on the other.
I was more referring to the type of censorship seen post WW2 to (at least) the 1980's (it may have ended earlier) that was seen with comic books and television. I know even less about the anti-rock'n'roll movement that occurred during that time, and even less of music from the '90's onward.
If I recall correctly, crime's more related to the amount of people concentrated in a particular area than to any cultural phenomenon.
Some interesting conversation in this thread, especially the changing definition of what a SJW is, id agree that the insecure overly aggressive people who just look for targets to get offended at so they can act like aggressive a-holes are SJW's IMO but its generally not even used against those kind of extremists, is anyone who dares ask for better female or LGBT representation that mostly get insulted instead, just asking nicely can attract "stop poisoning the industry with your agenda" responses or worse.
Both sides are little better then the other when they act like 10 year olds having a tantrum, the fact that certain people who dismiss BW games as "SJW garbage" just because female characters are taken seriously & they have LGBT representation then go out of their way to insult the people who enjoy them make them little better then SJW's who explode at the smallest thing they find offensive IMO.
I think the biggest thing is that SJW types have hijacked the language and vocabulary. For instance, asking for "more representation of LGBT, women and minorities in X" is language that is typically associated with SJW types now. Even if your actions and behavior don't mesh with the more aggressive and somewhat militant SJW types, because you use the same language, in the Internet its easy for people to assume you are one (and vice versa - saying you think forced inclusion is a bad idea will get you labeled as a white cys patriarch, even if none of those titles apply).
The best way to change the perception is to change the language. And then you can change the reality.
How many people, though are really taking it to the sort of absurd extremes that XXPrincess was talking about, though? I haven't really seen people doing it in this thread, which started with this post:
Kinda curious about this. I've been seeing lots of comments about DA:I catering to the SJW crowd, and am now wondering if there is a real financial gain in doing so? Would Bioware have made less money by not choosing this route to the point that there was a clear financial incentive?
I haven't finished DA:I yet, but I don't find the portrayal of the female, minority, or LGBT characters especially heavy-handed or being used to push ideas that are somehow out of place in the narrative. Yes, there are references to discrimination being a factor in at least one character's life, but there are also parallels to RL Issues that have nothing to do with that like religious conflicts, refugees, corrupt political establishments, terminal illness, and probably some others. If "SJW" really only means the extremists on one side of this debate, then DA:I doesn't seem like a game that people would be citing as "catering" to them in the first place.
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How many people, though are really taking it to the sort of absurd extremes that XXPrincess was talking about, though? I haven't really seen people doing it in this thread, which started with this post:
A few places on twitter and tumblr are prone to doxxing people
The problem with SJW themes is that they're always evolving. Something new gets deemed unacceptable every month for one reason or another, and "SJW" covers a bunch of social topics.
Then there's the frustrating duality to what they usually demand from games. On the one hand, some view games as works of art that can be used for social commentary. On the other, games should be inclusive and should depict idealized worlds based on their morality. It's hard to have meaningful social commentary in a setting where everything is already accepted. BioWare tries it in Inquisition with Dorian's father, for example, and it just comes off as disingenuous.
At some point I think you can't go too far down the rabbit hole chasing Tumblrisms and SJW dollars without giving up a good chunk of your audience who don't want to encounter hamfisted preaching of a certain morality in every form of media.
Where are the mods? Odd this topic has remained unlocked
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No kidding. Mods are slow to wake these days.
The mods have ascended to a greater plane of existence.
The mods have ascended to a greater plane of existence.
I'm telling you... BioMod03's evolution into BioMod02 is a sign. The mods are at war and shed their own divine blood.No kidding. Mods are slow to wake these days.
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I'm telling you... BioMod03 evolution into BioMod02 is a sign. The mods are at war and shed their own divine blood.
Mod has killed mod!
Yes but how can we use this information to our benefit? Mod was meant to serve man, never rule over him. Its time we rise up.
Yes but how can we use this information to our benefit? Mod was meant to serve man, never rule over him. Its time we rise up.
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With great mod comes great responsibility.
I'd mod you... but then I'd have to ban you.
We can do this the easy way... or we can do this the mod way.
"You'll never mod away with this!" "Oh... but I already have."
You're a moderator, Harry.
That last one got me. Got me good.
That last one got me. Got me good.
I'll just point out... the Five Letter thread got locked, but this was able to roam free for two days?
Mods work in mysterious ways...
This thread hasn't run its course yet. It has a higher purpose, one that we cannot fail to achieve!
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