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[DAMP Max]

Enhanced Immolate Ring is currently +30% duration.  Please change this to +30% damage. Enhanced Lightning Bolt is +30% damage, yet somehow Immolate has been lumped in with the DOT's.

[Geth Supremacy]

first balance patch the ele is going to get slaughtered.  enjoy him now...cause hes going to get the nerf bat in the face.

[knownastherat]

Why would Ele get nerfed? How it plays is possible to evaluate after few days playing which is something Bioware testers done thoroughly so they are pretty much aware .. right?

 

Immolate is good as it is. 400% weapon damage, 3 m AoE, 150% DoT .. with the ring 10.5 sec. It has **** all to do with Lightning Bolt though.

[DAMP Max]

first balance patch the ele is going to get slaughtered.  enjoy him now...cause hes going to get the nerf bat in the face.

 

Troll much? I doubt it very seriously.  Only nerf incoming is the AW...  MAYBE firestorm (which I rarely use), but definitely not immolate.

 

My point about lighting bolt was that it is also a direct damage spell and the Enhanced Lightning Bolt ring is +30% damage.  The Enhanced Immolate Ring is pretty worthless giving extra duration, IMO.  Most stuff is dead before the current duration wears off.

[gay_wardens]

Troll much? I doubt it very seriously.  Only nerf incoming is the AW...  MAYBE firestorm (which I rarely use), but definitely not immolate.

 

You clearly don't realize just how OP the elementalist is.

[DAMP Max]

You clearly don't realize just how OP the elementalist is.

You clearly have no idea what I have realized or not. You don't see a bunch of videos of Ele's soloing perilous. I play pretty much all the classes and Ele feels on par with Archer and Reaver.  What exactly do you see that is so OP about them?  Firestorm?

[knownastherat]

Troll much? I doubt it very seriously.  Only nerf incoming is the AW...  MAYBE firestorm (which I rarely use), but definitely not immolate.

 

My point about lighting bolt was that it is also a direct damage spell and the Enhanced Lightning Bolt ring is +30% damage.  The Enhanced Immolate Ring is pretty worthless giving extra duration, IMO.  Most stuff is dead before the current duration wears off.

 

A has X so B should have X too. Alright I get it, but it is not necessarily so.  In this case A and B are not comparable. Lightning Bolt is nothing like Immolate except that they both do damage. Anyway .. well, yes most stuff is dead before 10.5 sec run out, however, the spell is good on its own  - unlike Lightning Bolt -  and the ring gives little bonus. Either against creatures with high HP or on groups who cant/do not need to be dispatched immediately. 

 

Think of it this way, Immolate with the ring is still better than Lightning Bolt with ring.

[gay_wardens]

You clearly have no idea what I have realized or not. You don't see a bunch of videos of Ele's soloing perilous. I play pretty much all the classes and Ele feels on par with Archer and Reaver.  What exactly do you see that is so OP about them?  Firestorm?

 

Oh I'm sure they exist somewhere.

 

On par with reaver... lol... sure buddy. Death Siphon doesn't bug out.

 

You can't take 3 or 4 archers or reavers into Perilous. But you can sure as hell take 3 or 4 elementalists.

[DrMarble]

I agree that the elementalist is a very strong character, just not as clearly OP as the arcane warrior is.

I doubt elementalists will get any,or severe nerfs.

 

Time will tell though..

 

On the reaver thing, when rampage gets fixed it would surely put reaver on par with the better classes.

[gay_wardens]

oh by the way immolate sucks

[knownastherat]

I beg to differ. On Flashpoint what else to cast? Boom boom! Perhaps Stonefist 2 x 50 mana. Firestorm is situational and makes noise. Cant cast Fire Mine nor Fire Wall, maybe Barrier.

[gay_wardens]

I lol'd at this. You could not be more wrong.

 

You should talk to Boatzu, he'd disagree with you as well.

 

i'm talking about any random ass elementalist. doesnt even need a mic.

[BraveLToaster]

I beg to differ. On Flashpoint what else to cast? Boom boom! Perhaps Stonefist 2 x 50 mana. Firestorm is situational and makes noise. Cant cast Fire Mine nor Fire Wall, maybe Barrier.

Yes, Stone Fist is far superior.  Even if you're cutting Firestorm, running Wall of Fire, Barrier, Stonefist, and Step/Cloak is highly effective.

[Geth Supremacy]

Troll much? I doubt it very seriously.  Only nerf incoming is the AW...  MAYBE firestorm (which I rarely use), but definitely not immolate.

 

My point about lighting bolt was that it is also a direct damage spell and the Enhanced Lightning Bolt ring is +30% damage.  The Enhanced Immolate Ring is pretty worthless giving extra duration, IMO.  Most stuff is dead before the current duration wears off.

 

I didn't say immolate was overpowered or going to get nerfed.  I said the "ele" was.  Is a big part of his nerf going to be firestorm? Yep! Is that the only nerf hes going to get? Not by a longshot.

 

I was saying that because if Bioware's history with nerfs is anything to go by (ME3 MP)  They are not done nerfing something until it quite literally is so bland and garbage everyone ceases to use it at all unless its for a joke.  I meant it when I said "enjoy him now"

[DAMP Max]

I didn't say immolate was overpowered or going to get nerfed.  I said the "ele" was.  Is a big part of his nerf going to be firestorm? Yep! Is that the only nerf hes going to get? Not by a longshot.

 

I was saying that because if Bioware's history with nerfs is anything to go by (ME3 MP)  They are not done nerfing something until it quite literally is so bland and garbage everyone ceases to use it at all unless its for a joke.  I meant it when I said "enjoy him now"

 

That's very depressing and I hope you are wrong.  But in my experience, there are more than a few classes that have the ability to be "OP" right now.  Reavers are godlike when Rampage is not bugged.  Archers have insane damage when they are using a longshot ring and a good bow, and Mark of Death is one of the most OP talents in the game when used right.  Hunters using Leaping Shot out of stealth... Templars using Wrath of Heaven build... What are they going to do, nerf every class?  

 

 

Oh I'm sure they exist somewhere.

 

On par with reaver... lol... sure buddy. Death Siphon doesn't bug out.

 

You can't take 3 or 4 archers or reavers into Perilous. But you can sure as hell take 3 or 4 elementalists.

 

I ran Perilous in a group with 4 keepers.  Does this mean a keeper nerf is incoming?  And the only reason you couldn't run this with 4 reavers is because of the bug.  Once they (hopefully) fix that, it shouldn't be a an issue. Although running 4 melee would be a real pain, but that's a topic for another discussion.

[holdenagincourt]

I was saying that because if Bioware's history with nerfs is anything to go by (ME3 MP)  They are not done nerfing something until it quite literally is so bland and garbage everyone ceases to use it at all unless its for a joke.  I meant it when I said "enjoy him now"

 

First, there were way more buffs than nerfs over the course of ME3MP's lifespan (but of course people paid far more attention to the nerfs than the buffs, which is pretty standard for online gaming communities from what I've seen).

 

Second, while what you're claiming is a manner of opinion, I can't think of too many cases in which that actually happened. Falcon and Krysae are the most prominent in my mind, though the former remained eminently serviceable on all difficulties in certain strategies while the latter remained quite powerful on the classes it had originally been OP on. Then there are the balance changes that went the other direction, i.e. unnecessary buffs. Phase Disruptor, most egregiously. So I don't agree that there was some sort of overriding pattern that BioWare balanced ME3MP with that was dedicated to making everything "bland and garbage." Rather, this is a narrative that a lot of people started to propagate when the team began to nerf strategies they personally felt attached to, and they never stopped grinding that axe.

[BraveLToaster]

Even when Rampage is working, Reavers have a lot of inherent risk in their style of play.

 

Also, you can't balance abilities around cdr reduction on crit when some people have 10% crit and others have 100% from mass promoting, it just doesn't work.

[Geth Supremacy]

First, there were way more buffs than nerfs over the course of ME3MP's lifespan (but of course people paid far more attention to the nerfs than the buffs, which is pretty standard for online gaming communities from what I've seen).

 

Second, while what you're claiming is a manner of opinion, I can't think of too many cases in which that actually happened. Falcon and Krysae are the most prominent in my mind, though the former remained eminently serviceable on all difficulties in certain strategies while the latter remained quite powerful on the classes it had originally been OP on. Then there are the balance changes that went the other direction, i.e. unnecessary buffs. Phase Disruptor, most egregiously. So I don't agree that there was some sort of overriding pattern that BioWare balanced ME3MP with that was dedicated to making everything "bland and garbage." Rather, this is a narrative that a lot of people started to propagate when the team began to nerf strategies they personally felt attached to, and they never stopped grinding that axe.

 

You played ME3 MP...and those are the only examples you can come up with? Falcon and Krysae?

 

And zero characters? None at all?

[xROLLxTIDEx]

You can't take 3 or 4 archers or reavers into Perilous. But you can sure as hell take 3 or 4 elementalists.

 

Wow... So wrong.  I'd bet that the first class to actually get nerfed will be the Archer.  Do you realize how powerful Mark of Death is?  Do you realize it stacks?

 

1st Archer marks, then 2nd marks, then 3rd, then 4th.  1st Archer pops his mark, then the 2nd Archer pops his and gets the damage bonus from the first mark.  The 3rd then pops his mark and gets the damage bonus from the first 2.  And finally the 4th archer pops his mark and get the bonus damage from the previous 3 marks.  And what you now have is a dead boss on Perilous... very very quickly.

[J. Peterman]

And zero characters? None at all?

 

Which ME3 characters were nerfed into the ground? Can't think of any.

[BraveLToaster]

Weapons were nerfed into the ground.

 

As for characters, I'm only really coming up with blatant exploit fixes boning some characters (SE).

[holdenagincourt]

You played ME3 MP...and those are the only examples you can come up with? Falcon and Krysae?

 

And zero characters? None at all?

 

Well, what are your examples? Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. I happen to think a lot of strategies were left too strong by the balance team, while very few match your description. I can debate specific examples, but I can't debate generalized indignation about Fagnan et. al.

[Geth Supremacy]

Well, what are your examples? Like I said, it's a matter of opinion. I happen to think a lot of strategies were left too strong by the balance team, while very few match your description. I can debate specific examples, but I can't debate generalized indignation about Fagnan et. al.

 

I would have to load up the game and look at the characters for a refresher as its been so long.  One I know for a fact is the Phoenix adept and vanguard characters though.  I LOVED playing them when they first came out....when they were done with them it was so boring and dull I hated them.  I never played them after.

 

The typhoon was my baby when it came out....when they were done with it....it might as well be a common that you use on silver.  The Harrier was perfectly fine though.....

 

I never thought the vindicator was that "amazing" didn't its firing rate take a hit?  I never used it, but I had a friend who always did.

 

The Destroyer was always a good character, he is far, far, far, from the best and no where near OP, but the he didn't need nerfed at all.  That was stupid.  Some of the characters in the game and they left them alone and hit him?

 

There are others too I just need a refresher.

[J. Peterman]

I would have to load up the game and look at the characters for a refresher as its been so long.  One I know for a fact is the Phoenix adept and vanguard characters though.  I LOVED playing them when they first came out....when they were done with them it was so boring and dull I hated them.  I never played them after.

 

The typhoon was my baby when it came out....when they were done with it....it might as well be a common that you use on silver.  The Harrier was perfectly fine though.....

 

I never thought the vindicator was that "amazing" didn't its firing rate take a hit?  I never used it, but I had a friend who always did.

 

The Destroyer was always a good character, he is far, far, far, from the best and no where near OP, but the he didn't need nerfed at all.  That was stupid.  Some of the characters in the game and they left them alone and hit him?

 

There are others too I just need a refresher.

 

The balance changes were based around usage stats.