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[KaiserShep]

I just said fade-step as an example. Nothing to stop a 2hw from leaping off the cliff, guzzling a potion and grappling the nearest Venatori to say hi. I'm sure the rest of the team would get the idea and follow.

 

The reaction could be mixed for a class-specific action. I seem to recall most people being in favor of the Omega Engineer interrupt.

 

Eh, the Engineer-specific interrupt in Omega is a nice gesture, but ultimately it doesn't really provide any real benefits in practice, because the class doesn't make a difference at all.

[Laughing_Man]

Eh, the Engineer-specific interrupt in Omega is a nice gesture, but ultimately it doesn't really provide any real benefits in practice, because the class doesn't make a difference at all.

 

It's not all about story benefits. It's really nice when the game acknowledges your class or spec by showing a specific class-related action or finisher in a  cut scene, it adds immersion to the game.

[BouncyFrag]

I went with the Qun for the somewhat a selfish reason hoping that Sten would show up at some point if I did so.

Spoiler

Sten is one of my all-time fave companions and he didn't show up

 

This choice seemed a bit sudden and forced much like the choice of whom to sacrifice just before you left the fade.

[PocketDragon]

Trust has next to nothing to do with an alliance between nations or political powers, it's all about potential risks Vs. potential gains, mutual goals, etc.

 

So what is the difference between an alliance with the Qunari to an alliance with every other power?

 

Simple: The difference is in what drives their decision making. With any other power, you can trust that as long as relations are good and both sides benefit from it, the connection will only grow into something like friendship, you might even be able to trust your ally some day.

 

However with the Qunari all that is irrelevant, it's the old "Convert or die" (we saw lately truly horrific examples for this type of religious fundamentalism).

They simply cannot be reasoned with, or trusted to not attack and subjugate you out of the blue "for your own good".

The Qunari "religion" has no room in it for any other culture or religion, and as soon as it is convenient you will be devoured.

 

And as someone else mentioned above, the Qunari don't really do anything special for this "Alliance", they just fight the "Vints" as they always do,

and will continue to do it with or without an alliance.

 

Therefore, I judge any alliance with the Qunari as not worth the risk until such time that we see a real change in their attitude.

 

In regards to IB, he is not a very "religious" Qunari, and he is quite effective even without his handlers, for all intents and purposes he is not *truly* a Qunari since he seems able to compromise and bend the rules.

 

 

 

I'm trying to understand what you wrote here, but I'm just getting a headache.

 

 

 

You would rather build an inquistion of fanatic's potentially more valuable in bludgeoning every other politcial power in attempts to convert to your sense of fanaticsim?

 

I understand that democratic concept of value.

 

Not the potential of completing any objectives sought by accepting offered alliegance in bids to work towards a common goal when set about to achieve a certain task.

 

All because it was a case of identity on whose fanatic's spied first?

[Qunquistador]

 

Doing the right thing is questioning when someone tells you do something you know is wrong.   Blindly doing it anyway is the WRONG choice. 

 

"If you feel bad about what you are doing, its a pretty good sign you are doing something wrong."  - Inquisitor to Leliana

 

I chose to sacrifice the Chargers and, even though my heart went out to Iron Bull, I didn't feel bad about the decision. They were soldiers, whichever way you swing it. As such, they knew the risks. I didn't want massive amounts of bloodshed at Adamant, but it was my ambassador who reminded me that soldiers willingly fight with the knowledge that they may die in doing so.  That put things into perspective for me.  I went into that fight and did everything I could to protect my men, but I did not get weepy at the inevitable losses, which included Hawke in the end.

 

I didn't go into the game with a mind for the tough calls of leadership, but it developed overtime. The longer richer gain, as Josephine later said about aiding Tevinter, was an alliance, however temporary, with the Qunari. I think all of my advisors would have agreed a swell. So while I may not have wanted the Chargers to die, I had to do what was best for the Inquisition and Thedas.  I'm still in my 1st PT, mind, but I will probably make the same choice in my 2nd.

 

Also, I'm playing as a Vashoth warrior who was a merc herself. So she knows that mercs are aware that they are expendable in such a dangerous occupation.

[abisha]

the dreadnought.

 

those mercenaries life a dangers live if they do not die today they might do tomorrow, on the other hand if you let the dreadnought get destroyed Bull can never return.

so basically my theory why i always choose the Qun way above those group of mercenaries.

[Thargorichiban]

I pretty much always sacrifice the Chargers. In the end they go out doing their jobs. As Cole later points out they don't have any regrets in how it plays out. And by doing their jobs they help ensure that the Qunari enter into their first ever real alliance with a foreign power which is a HUUUGE step for them diplomatically.

 

I honestly consider it the first step in the process of getting them to come to the table with more foreign powers and even possibly stabilize the international communities. Done correctly the Inquisition has developed alliances with the Free Marches, Ferelden, Orlais, Orzammar, and the Qunari. These represent the majority of known world powers. The Inquisition could then act as an intermediary to help them settle their differences.

[Laughing_Man]

You would rather build an inquistion of fanatic's potentially more valuable in bludgeoning every other politcial power in attempts to convert to your sense of fanaticsim?

 

I understand that democratic concept of value.

 

Not the potential of completing any objectives sought by accepting offered alliegance in bids to work towards a common goal when set about to achieve a certain task.

 

All because it was a case of identity on whose fanatic's spied first?

 

Are you using google translate or something? This is completely unreadable.

 

In any case, I explained what the difference is in my opinion between the Qunari and any other nation when it comes to an alliance.

[PocketDragon]

Are you using google translate or something? This is completely unreadable.

 

In any case, I explained what the difference is in my opinion between the Qunari and any other nation when it comes to an alliance.

Because you need help with the really "big words" here is the dictionary to help you with your struggles.

 

Fanatic: enthusiast, zealot, bigot, hothead, militant. Fanatic, zealot, militant, devotee refer to persons showing more than ordinary support for, adherence to, or interest .

 

What was not legible in your loss for apparent speech?

 

Then if being really clever, it may have been an intended pun? I will leave you to decipher.

[Geth Supremacy]

I love how many people will would pick 1 band of merc over the most powerful military in Thedas.  Really paints a picture. 

[Laughing_Man]

I love how many people will would pick 1 band of merc over the most powerful military in Thedas.  Really paints a picture. 

 

It's not about how good the merc band is, it's about how dangerous and unreliable an alliance with the Qunari is.

[Thargorichiban]

It's not about how good the merc band is, it's about how dangerous and unreliable an alliance with the Qunari is.

 

It might be dangerous but unreliable? They've never had an alliance like the one they've offered the Inquisition. No real indication that they'd be unreliable. In fact, if you choose them the background info and operations shows them to be pretty reliable. The Qunari seem to be pretty good about keeping their word.

[PocketDragon]

Tzeentchian Apostrophe,

 

Banter is lost when somebody doesn't understand even basic grammar, because of incomprehension you resort to childlike pictures with a trolled and ranted description.

 

It is a really simple term for any, every, religious zealot, a fanatic. Something you are so set upon because of your bigotry of on offered alliance.

 

Despite of whatever spoiler, you are so profoundly set too playback endlessly. You have already painted a misinformed, misguided, picture from the start.

 

Of what your zealots those fantatic's in terms of your inquistion are hoping to achieve here, which is paramount to genocide.

 

Heck you have condemed more men to die, then what your paid soldiers were even suppose to protect. Jeopradising their very cause.

 

Please continue to argue that emotion shown is certainly fanatical

[NM_Che56]

The Chargers.

 

I don't trust the Qun.  There's a quid pro quo buried in that arrangement and I'm not certain if it's for the best.  

[nelly21]

My first Inquisitor chose to save the Chargers. It seemed like the best choice given that:

 

A) the Qunari wouldn't tell me exactly what the alliance would entail

 

the majority of their promised assistance seemed to indicate naval power. Why would I need naval power to fight against an army of demons, corrupted Templars, and nearly omnipotent magisters/wannabe gods who's goals can all be accomplished without setting foot in the ocean?

 

Furthermore, in the Dragon Age universe magic trumps technology. Tevinter has beaten back the Qunari and none of the magisters are as powerful as Corypheus. It felt like I would be trading in a crack mercenary group who's individuals all have a stake in the fight (and take their orders directly from Iron Bull, a close friend) for a crack mercenary group that doesn't (and will only be loyal insofar as the "Qun demands", whatever the hell that means). 

[nelly21]

*not really sure why my "B" point was replaced with a smiley but alright.

[PocketDragon]

The alliance offered at the direct time of the mission was stopping the spread of Red Lyrium sailing around the globe via their Dreadnaught, which is basically a Frigate or Armada probably carrying hundreds of soldiers. This is detailed within conversation at what had been supplied objectively and why inquistion support was required for this mission.

 

If the Dreadnaught sinks, by allowing it too. More ships will continue to sail that cargo, despite of stopping a single vessel within this mssion. This is detailed in conversation. Finally upon later returning the inquistion close the port

 

Also later offered upon completion of the objective. Through gaining alliegance. The Ben-Hesserth supply agents in stopping certain Vinatori activity in the regions. This includes assassination attempts on corrupting Vinatori officals throughout the regions.

 

Their aid at this present time, was directed to the threat of both Red Lyrium from the Red Templars, and Vinatori, pawns of Coryphaeus. Somewhat explained when giving you aid in this current objective.

 

The alliance on offer here was helping to defeat certain common goals at the direct time of this mission.

 

I am pretty sure prior to this mission when chatting with Iron Bull or Krem after recruiting them there was a previous Ben-Hesserth operation within Ferelden.

[Seracen]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to pick up on the shades of derp from this mission. Anyone else reminded by Shep & co picking their bums while the cereal killer and Thane are fighting during the Citadel coup? I could have fade-stepped down to the beach and annihilated the Venatori without breaking a sweat. Also, how is a small secret society supposed to threaten Denerim? Last I checked Ferelden has an army to defend itself.

 

I had the exact same thought as you, except I saw ME1's Virmire mission, rather than ME3's Citadel attack.

To add one more facet to your point, what if I bring another mage, or two archers, in addition to IB?  That's two snipers or a hail of arrows and a freaking METEOR SHOWER raining down from a heightened position.  Add to that the Inquisitor and IB flanking the reinforcements (and likely forcing Gat to do the same), and I could totally see them having it both ways.

 

From this scene, I got the IDEA that the forces arrayed against the Chargers were supposed to be insurmountable.  However, we never actually SEE such a mismatch in the forces, and thus the illusion for me is broken.  That's why I go with the Chargers and just continue to head-canon a situation where the Inquisitor realizes the Qun are basically using him (biding the time to stab Ferelden in the back), and he is doing the same.

[Arisugawa]

Just finished this quest for the fourth time.

 

And every single time, I feel like I've made the wrong choice. I've played it both ways, and it doesn't matter. I always walk away from it thinking I should have made the other choice.

 

This isn't a criticism, mind you. It's just that, in my opinion, no optimal path exists. Most (though not all) of the choices in Dragon Age or Mass Effect have left me satisfied with the path I selected.

 

This is not one of them. Something feels broken at the end regardless of what I choose.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

They're mercenaries. The whole point of you paying them is to provide you a service. Using them to gain the Qunari favor seems an obvious choice. Mercenaries grow on trees, especially being the Inquisitor, with everyone in Thedas tripping over their skirts/shoes to fawn over you. Quanri favor doesn't grow on trees. 

 

You're a leader. Not an emotional teenager. 

[Maniccc]

They're mercenaries. The whole point of you paying them is to provide you a service. Using them to gain the Qunari favor seems an obvious choice. Mercenaries grow on trees, especially being the Inquisitor, with everyone in Thedas tripping over their skirts/shoes to fawn over you. Quanri favor doesn't grow on trees. 

 

You're a leader. Not an emotional teenager. 

You weren't getting Qunari favor.  The Qunari are snakes.  They smile at you, shake your hand, and their brother sneaks up behind you to stab you in the back.  The Qunari favor only one thing: themselves.  Convert or die! is their motto.  You can never trust them, you must always watch them, they will always turn on you.  To them, you are an enemy of growing power, and they want to get closer to you, the easier to stick a sword in your side.

[frostajulie]

The Chargers.

 

The Qunari can't be trusted. You give them an inch they'll take a mile and then some.

I chose the Qun this ttime though in my first run I chose the chargers.  I realized I do not trust the Qun or the Qunari.  As soon as the chargers were dead I understood I would never make that choice even if the Qunari alliance meant killing Corypheus right then and ending the war.  I do NOT trust or want any part of the Qun.  From now on I protect the backs of the people I trust and the men who fight for freedom not total subjugation of the sef to a domineering will of the great other.

[PocketDragon]

You weren't getting Qunari favor.  The Qunari are snakes.  They smile at you, shake your hand, and their brother sneaks up behind you to stab you in the back.  The Qunari favor only one thing: themselves.  Convert or die! is their motto.  You can never trust them, you must always watch them, they will always turn on you.  To them, you are an enemy of growing power, and they want to get closer to you, the easier to stick a sword in your side.

 

Then you are no better. Isn't that that your inquistion motto, convert or die, by not seeking an alliance at that point? It doesn't matter whatever happens in the future, the point is at that mission point, you had a job to do, and you failed it.

 

But really careless it is a game and they are all pixels anyway. Inbetween football friends.

 

There is absolutely no attempted logic outside of the emotional baggage from saving the chargers. A band of mercenaries, who failed their tasked mission. Losing you the objective, gaining you nothing that you didn't already have.

[Bigdoser]

Really? I blame the Qunari for the reason for the chargers being in that situation in the first place and I am not paying for their mistake via my best men when I stated the current plan is too risky. 

[MikeJW]

You weren't getting Qunari favor.  The Qunari are snakes.  They smile at you, shake your hand, and their brother sneaks up behind you to stab you in the back.  The Qunari favor only one thing: themselves.  Convert or die! is their motto.  You can never trust them, you must always watch them, they will always turn on you.  To them, you are an enemy of growing power, and they want to get closer to you, the easier to stick a sword in your side.

 

I wonder, if you truly beleive this (and I think you are right) then why recruit Iron Bull? He is Qun, a spy and the leader of a group of mercenarys, which means that their loayalty depends on who pays them the most. Nothing is stopping them from having Iron Bull and his mercs from killing you if they want. Bull would probably follow the order, his mercs would if they were paid enough.