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[AshenEndymion]

Hissrad is happiest being The Iron Bull, leader of Bull's Chargers.  Serving the Qun in as limited a role as possible, by sending reports and receiving few(if any) orders.  The problem is that the happiness of the individual doesn't matter within the Qun, and Hissrad knows this.  He has a reason to leave the Qun, but he lacks the courage to actually leave, primarily because he knows what the Tal-Vashoth represent, and can't see himself like that.  Even though he lacks the courage, he clearly wants it, as evidenced by the fact that he  does leave if the Inquisitor says to save the Chargers(remember, the quest is only given if you've amassed enough approval with Bull).

 

The question shouldn't really be "do you leave the Chargers to die in order to ally with the Qunari", because that's a really stupid choice(a single mercenary company over an entire nation?  No sane leader actually makes that decision).  The choice, in my opinion, is whether or not the Inquisitor will choose the happiness of a friend over an alliance with the Qunari.  And leaders have done that numerous times over the millennia.

 

And I usually base my decision as such.  The Chargers are a good group of people, but, in all, the decision comes down to whether or not my Inquisitor cares more about an alliance than about Bull's friendship and individuality.

[l7986]

The Chargers.

 

The Qunari can't be trusted. You give them an inch they'll take a mile and then some.

Because there have been so many chances in the past. When a foreign power like the Qunari, out of the blue, says "Hey we want to talk," you take that in a heartbeat and try to cement something that ends up with them not being such colossal pricks. Saving the Chargers pretty much guarantees that the Qunari will never view the rest of Thedas as anything more then a land full of barbarians that needs to be exterminated.

[Eterna]

Yeah that whole incident with Dragon Age 2 and the Qunari. It probably best not to have the Qun as allies.

 

Varric outright tells you the Arishok was not acting with the Quns blessing in Kirkwall. Everything that happened there was not supported by them. 

 

But yes, some mercenaries who only fight beside you because you pay them are totally trustworthy because you had a beer with them and learned their names. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Qun.... Communists! All of them!

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Yeah that whole incident with Dragon Age 2 and the Qunari. It probably best not to have the Qun as allies.

they will never speak of it again

so history will repeat itself

FRIGGIN

QUNARI

[Hanako Ikezawa]

also it comes from sten's mouth:

qunari alliances are worth the paper they are written on

Exactly. That's really the most ironic part. Our DAO companion Sten, who is now the Arishok thus leader of the Qun's military, flat out tells you that Qunari alliances are worthless.

[Eterna]

Exactly. That's really the most ironic part. Our DAO companion Sten, who is now the Arishok thus leader of the Qun's military, flat out tells you that Qunari alliances are worthless.

 

The operations after the fact tell a completely different story. 

[l7986]

Exactly. That's really the most ironic part. Our DAO companion Sten, who is now the Arishok thus leader of the Qun's military, flat out tells you that Qunari alliances are worthless.

Sten also tells us that a woman is an artisan, baker, farmer etc.. but that got retconned pretty quick.

[actionhero112]

Gotta go with the chargers. The devil you know is better than the one you don't. 

[Maniccc]

The Qunari do not form alliances, everyone is their enemy, and they will use any means necessary to conquer them, even pretend to be allies.  Kind of like that other Qunari IRL, the one with the little mustache who was obsessed with cultural purity based on old Norse mythos.  And like some other civilizations today that we can't mention because OMG PC WHAAAAA.  Though even Maher dumped his PC devotion to agree with conservatives on that one.

[FreshRevenge]

Varric outright tells you the Arishok was not acting with the Quns blessing in Kirkwall. Everything that happened there was not supported by them. 

 

But yes, some mercenaries who only fight beside you because you pay them are totally trustworthy because you had a beer with them and learned their names. 

 

Well if I remember in Dragon Age Origins Sten kill people for losing his sword. Sorry I don't need loose cannons as allies.

[RobRam10]

*sigh* This question again.. look its very simple:

 

KILL. QUN.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The operations after the fact tell a completely different story. 

No, those tell us that the alliance still helps serve the Qun's purpose for it. The moment they no longer benefit, they will break it off. 

 

Sten also tells us that a woman is an artisan, baker, farmer etc.. but that got retconned pretty quick.

No, it wasn't. A woman who wants to fight or do other male roles is seen as a man by the Qun. That's not a retcon. 

[Deebo305]

Imo depends on which story your running. If ypu sided with mages then the Red Templars don't make it worth it but if you chose Templars then I say go for it because the Venatori feel bigger once you get a real look at how far they've spread with Calpernia at the helm

[Wittand25]

I usually save the chargers.

 

Because the Quanari are either competent or actually actively betraying the alliance even before it starts.

 

Sending a dreadnought to intercept a smuggling vessel is plainly put idiotic, it has no hope to actually catch the smaller and faster vessel and it is completely defenceless close to the shore.

Together with the faulty information they give you beforehand  i see no reason to sacrifice inquisition resources for them.

[Eterna]

Well if I remember in Dragon Age Origins Sten kill people for losing his sword. Sorry I don't need loose cannons as allies.

 

THe chargers would kill you if someone offered them enough money because they're mercenaries. 

[Eterna]

No, those tell us that the alliance still helps serve the Qun's purpose for it. The moment they no longer benefit, they will break it off. 

 

 

 

So will the Chargers. 

[FreshRevenge]

THe chargers would kill you if someone offered them enough money because they're mercenaries. 

 

They could try

[russiandobby]

i picked bulls men simply because i rather have good men who know how to fight then a boat full of idiots that explodes only after few fireballs.

[MindWeb]

So again, your personal feelings get in the way of logic. 

 

I judge you as unfit to lead Ieldra! 

You'd rather save a dreadnaught full of DANazis than a group of actual characters? I'd rather not have an alliance with the DA version of the Nazis.

[Maniccc]

THe chargers would kill you if someone offered them enough money because they're mercenaries. 

Not necessarily.  Mercenary is a job, it does not necessarily inform their every choice in life.  The Qun, however, is not a job, it is a way of life.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So will the Chargers. 

Not really. The Iron Bull becomes loyal to you for helping his Charger buddies. 

 

But even if you are right, a mercenary company is easier to take down than an invasion army. And the Chargers don't go around saying how they plan to conquer all of Thedas. 

[Eterna]

You'd rather save a dreadnaught full of DANazis than a group of actual characters? I'd rather not have an alliance with the DA version of the Nazis.

 

Yes, because I am a pragmatic commander who cares more for the fate of the world than my personal life. If your Inquisitor is too weak to make such choices then that's okay, the game does not punish you for it. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

*sigh* This question again.. look its very simple:

 

KILL. QUN.

 

Yes. Let's kill the Qunari :DD

[Eterna]

Not really. The Iron Bull becomes loyal to you for helping his Charger buddies. 

 

But even if you are right, a mercenary company is easier to take down than an invasion army. And the Chargers don't go around saying how they plan to conquer all of Thedas. 

 

If this game had any sense of consequence for choice saving the Chargers and betraying your budding Alliance with the Qunari should have caused them to retaliate against you. But this game is all about good feels and unrealistic outcomes, so of course no shits are given.