Finally later on you destroy the red/templar port which had previously been locked. Had the Dreanaught been destroyed those ship would be sailing away until that without any Dreadnaught to destroy them. The Quanri help rebuild the red/templar port via a war table operation amongst many other ben-hesserth missions
You can actually wipe out the Red Templars and rebuild the port without the Qunari.
The alliance gained is worth 4 war table operations, that I know of?
The chargers on the other hand provide mostly only emotion?
Chargers or the Ship they both got crushed to the same attack...
You can actually wipe out the Red Templars and rebuild the port without the Qunari.
Shame there is no active visible port there even after wiping out the dragon. Maybe it is because I am not working on the linear calander of story progression. Apology for the mistake. The operation wasn't a Ben-hesserth one. However the option via an advisior I think it was Cullen, was to use the Qun aid had you kept that alliance.
However the point made was how many ships containing Red Lyrium escaped in that time frame, without the Dreadnaught shooting them down.
Men die in war. Leadership is to calculate how many casualities there will be, through descisons made.
I do not consider for any moment there to be any actual gain from keeping a mercenary band alive whom are paid to die. The few to save the many. Outside of any prejudice or preference
How about neither?
I am less averse to the Qun than most folks around here (which is a lot, by the looks of it), and yet even I do not consider recruiting one of their spies to my team to be a good idea. While lots of folks who do so play it up as some real shrewd move of keeping your eye on the enemy, well, just see how well that strategy works for you by recruiting Knight-Captain Denam (sp?) to the Inquisition (hint: it does not end well). And then you have these same players thinking "let's go get this alliance I know I want no part of." It's a joke, really.
It's right there next to [rebel-mage supporters being shocked that the mage-loyalist leader they recruited is not a fan of their policies]. Gamer-logic = fail.
ANDERS TO THE RESCUE... of chargers.
Seriously, Anders has aversion for circles because of it's forced schooling methods, templars and so on... you think he could do anything for the qun, a system that treats everyone as a tool and where the only crime is freedom? In my cannon, the qun is being purged. thanks hardened Lelianna ((and i'm not sure if Orzammar is safe or doomed there))
I've said this before, but I feel pretty strongly about it. This choice is great for the character Bull and his story arc, but it shouldn't be the player's choice to make. Iron Bull should have been able to make this choice on his own. It feels like the devs really shoehorned the player into the decision making because it was more videogamey than necessarily appropriate for the character or narrative.
I think if there was going to be any kind of input from the player in Bull's decision, it should have been cumulative, like the Divine choice, over the course of multiple discussions with Bull, rather than having Bull just look at you like a deer in the headlights incapable of making his own decision.
The linear calander of story progression, shouldn't have factored into this decision.
The only objective here was obvious at this time.
Ben-Hesserth, Iron Bull is on your team, he never changed religon? You deal with it..
Iron Bull would have done the right thing, why he hesitated first, upon order to save his men. Only after the pro's and con's were weighed did he require the final guidance...
Personally, one great thing about choosing the Chargers is Solas and Bull actually becoming close friends thereafter. Take them both in your party following and listen to the banter.
Personally, one great thing about choosing the Chargers is Solas and Bull actually becoming close friends thereafter. Take them both in your party following and listen to the banter.
Pretty much I think its one of the best banters in the game actually plus playing chess in their heads is bloody awesome I think someone made video of it showing their moves via virtual chess.
They become such bro's considering they were arguing before. XD
Personally, one great thing about choosing the Chargers is Solas and Bull actually becoming close friends thereafter. Take them both in your party following and listen to the banter.
And if you side with the Qun, Solas keeps railing on the Iron Bull...and since I've exhausted all banter between the two, he KEEPS railing on him...the same banter, over and over...it's annoying.
it was their plan, the Qunari can live with the consequences. I let them run the show, despite the event occurring within my sphere of influence, and then when the Qunari plan goes wrong they want me to take the losses? Hah you can keep your "intel" the same intel that underestimated the Venatori forces. Not that I like the Qun anyways, but I heard them out, and gave them a chance to make a good impression and they failed. If you still want to help prevent the apocalypse cool, I'll take all the help I can get, but it will be on my terms not the Qun's.
I have played both scenerios through, and I get the same reaction from Bull regardless - he still ends up murdering the dummies back at Skyhold. Still, I can't help but wonder if the choice will affect any possible interaction with Sten as the Arishok in future installments of the game.
I usually save the chargers, I like the war table missions Krem gives better than the Ben Hassrah missions and, yes Krem will give you several if you ask him how you can use the chargers periodically. Makes them feel more like a useful part of the team, and makes you glad you told Bull to sound the retreat. He even seems happier in the long run if you keep the Chargers.
yes but the fact of the matter is that the arishok can make decisions regardless of what the qun demands
also let's get real if a couple spellbinders can wreck a dreadnought Solas/Vivenne/Dorian could defeat a fleet.
Fire mines on the boat? fire mine + blackpowder = big boom
Fire storm from solas would wreck quite a few
all while dorian raises the dead qunari to fight agaisnt the living qunari and vivi could just time dilation field all incoming attacks
fire staffs and energy barrage = dead dreadnoughts
qunari arent worth anything
kill them and move on
I'm sure you could take over the planet singlehandedly if you wanted to but at the end of the day, naval power and a spy network are more valuable than a small merc band.
Personally, one great thing about choosing the Chargers is Solas and Bull actually becoming close friends thereafter. Take them both in your party following and listen to the banter.
You see, that might've actually encouraged me to save the Chargers. Too bad the banter doesn't work in my game. Seriously Bioware, fix the damn bug already. It'll literally save lives.
Depends on my Inquisitor, one thought there is no way the Qun are going to honor an alliance when it is no longer valuable to them, especially if it is headed by a Tal-Vashoth or mage. On the other hand, one Inquisitor thought he would help be a force of change in the Qun, and as Gatt pointed out, fix the stuff he doesn't like from the inside. The Chargers are soldiers; they knew what they were getting into. Bull says early on hard decisions are what make a leader. I agree with Dr. Rush though, it seems like Bull should be the one to decide, but I guess he would be ruining a possible alliance for the Inquisition.
Except the strategic situation is different. Corypheus isn't a direct threat to the qunari, and the Inquisition has been doing rather well in containing him so far (for me, this quest has been coming up after both the Winter Palace and Adamant Fortress). Which means that any scenario where I take a hit to save qunari forces benefits them a great deal more than it benefits me.
If the WWII scenario applied, Corypheus would be on his way to defeat the qunari, and by supporting them I'd bind his forces so that he'll have fewer resources to oppose my own attack. Instead, you can accurately predict that an alliance with the qunari would not take a significant weight off your shoulders, since they're not positioned to aid you in time even if they wanted. Instead, the net outcome is that you strengthen them at your expense with little gain for yourself. Of course the qunari are interested in such an arrangement...
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Or you can look at it from the qunari side: by allying with the Inquisition the Inquisition *may* gain a little benefit, but we have an additional foot in the door with no expense on our side, and if the Inquisition takes losses saving our people it'll be easier to conquer them in the future.
Nope. I won't be the one letting the qunari gain a foothold. Not with my main Inquisitor anyway, who is also a mage who has allied with the mages and has even more reason to detest the Qun.
Except if you talk with Bull afterwards, he says the Ben Hassereth are coordinating with the Inquisition's spy network on all sorts of missions and that the Qunari fleet is basically halting all Venetori activity by sea. Hell, he says they're even coordinating with the Orlesian military if you talk to him after the Winter Palace quest. Seems like a pretty good deal for the cost of 6 mercs. You could technically win the game by skipping most of the operations and side quests in the game so you could argue that they all offer little benefit as well. Just because the game doesn't outright shove the benefits in your face, doesn't mean that they are not there.
And what foothold would the Qunari get in Thedas? Exactly, how much effect would it actually have on the balance of power in the region? Skyhold and the inquisiton are located in southern Orlais and Ferelden. The Qunari live on an island nation on the other side of the continent. If they do invade, it will be by sea and they will have to cross several nations to get to Southern Thedas. I don't really see how this alliance would change much in the event of a Qunari invasion. The Qunari are just as concerned about the Venetori as everyone else. When you first meet Bull, he tells you that the Qun is thinking about launching an invasion to stop the world from falling apart. Not allying with them seems like it will only increase the Qun's willingness to launch an invasion. Atleast the alliance would reassure the Qunari that things are under control. That was the whole point behind why Bull joined the inquisition in the first place. To let the Qunari know that the situation is under control so that they don't take extreme measures.
I don't serve the Qun - and the Qun only wants a tool.
Plus - it's not like they're going to stop fighting Tevinter and trying to stop them from smuggling red lyrium.
Plus - I value elite fighting teams who have proven their usefulness and loyalty.
Nobody would ever be loyal to a person eager to lose his troops - like some of these Inquisitors that think they're good leaders.
Pretty much I think its one of the best banters in the game actually plus playing chess in their heads is bloody awesome I think someone made video of it showing their moves via virtual chess.
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They become such bro's considering they were arguing before. XD
Bull's fatal mistake was using his Tamassran, instead of his Arishok, to take the Tower at G1... I was hoping he would win, but knew that Solas took it after that point. It was a tad disappointing.
I don't serve the Qun - and the Qun only wants a tool.
Plus - it's not like they're going to stop fighting Tevinter and trying to stop them from smuggling red lyrium.
Plus - I value elite fighting teams who have proven their usefulness and loyalty.
Nobody would ever be loyal to a person eager to lose his troops - like some of these Inquisitors that think they're good leaders.
Then why not use the Qun as a tool? Bull tells you that the Ben Hasserath are coordinating with Lelianna and providing useful intelligence. He also says that their Navy is halting all Venetori activity by sea and that they will send soldiers to fight the Venetori. That elite fighting team may be good but how good are they? They got utterly destroyed by a small Venetori ambush. Is that really more useful than a spy network and the best navy in the world? Oh and no one is eager to lose their men. That's like saying the US was eager to lose all the men that died on D-day. Soldiers are expected to do their jobs and risk their lives. Casualties do happen but such is the nature of war.
I am a horrible person and let them die because I wanted the Masterwork Archon staff. However, I was surprised how well Bull seemed to adjust and he said he was looking forward to returning to the Qun by the end. It was kind of creepy actually... like brainwashing reasserting itself.
Still, I had the staff, and I womped much butt with the different variants I made. I took Bull along to kill dragons, he was very happy by the end.
I know that if I were romancing Bull, I would have let the Chargers live because I would not want him sacrificing me for the Qun.
Depends on my Inquisitor, one thought there is no way the Qun are going to honor an alliance when it is no longer valuable to them, especially if it is headed by a Tal-Vashoth or mage. On the other hand, one Inquisitor thought he would help be a force of change in the Qun, and as Gatt pointed out, fix the stuff he doesn't like from the inside. The Chargers are soldiers; they knew what they were getting into. Bull says early on hard decisions are what make a leader. I agree with Dr. Rush though, it seems like Bull should be the one to decide, but I guess he would be ruining a possible alliance for the Inquisition.
But how does this make them different from any other nation?
I am a horrible person and let them die because I wanted the Masterwork Archon staff. However, I was surprised how well Bull seemed to adjust and he said he was looking forward to returning to the Qun by the end. It was kind of creepy actually... like brainwashing reasserting itself.
Still, I had the staff, and I womped much butt with the different variants I made. I took Bull along to kill dragons, he was very happy by the end.
I know that if I were romancing Bull, I would have let the Chargers live because I would not want him sacrificing me for the Qun.
The impression I got is that if you sacrifice the chargers, he has just lost his family that he just decides to just be emotionless and go back to the Qun. In fact, he decides to go back to being Hisraad if you sacrifice the Chargers. In fact, look at the meanings of the cards for Bull. If you sacrifice the Chargers, Bull's card becomes the 10 of swords which signifies that somebody has reached the worst point in their life. On the other hand, if you save the Chargers, Bull's card becomes the wheel of fortune which signifies somebody's life is turning around for the better.
My inquisitor was Tal-Vashoth. It was an easy choice for her - 'save' Bull, and in the end his team as a byproduct. But, more about him than them, since she just basically wanted him to not have to live under the Qun, which he seemed to constantly question. Besides, the alliance you are getting is a large unknown given that it is put out by the Ben-Hassrath, who seem to be able to stretch the teachings of the Qun a bit when they want, and she'd definitely know that the qunari dislike Tevinter more than the inquisition, so there'd still be indirect help. Still, perhaps it would be the better choice in a larger perspective for the chance at alliances.
But my inquisitor was certainly not perfect. 
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