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#51
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The Demonologist wrote...

In all honesty, I believe they were made with the whole 'swings both ways blue alien chick' mentality in mind.


Did anyone else tear up when they read this?  It's just beautiful.

I suspect the "shes" are also a translater quirk.


EDIT:   AUGH I POSTED IN A DEAD THREAD.   /washes.... fingers.

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-notices its a 3month old post-



Why?! -wipes hands on Rinpoche's shirt-

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*Reads first page of posts*



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Garuda One wrote...

-notices its a 3month old post-

Why?! -wipes hands on Rinpoche's shirt-


That's not a shirt, that's my sweat matted chest hair.

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Asari are not referred to as male, and they don't "morph" when they're melding with someone. This topic is completely off base.

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yorkj86 wrote...


I'm cautious about all of this because we have no indication of how much the Asari have felt compelled to adopt the binary-sex classification used by other species due to translators and simply co-existing with them.


It is a strictly Asari issue. Not even the most neutral of neutral human anthropologists could properly describe the wholly unique Asari situation, because at the end of the day he's still a human and will end up impressing human ideals upon them. What's even more fascinating is how their language would work, when referring to someone else would an Asari just refer to them by their first name? If they have no "him" or "her" "she" or "he" and the translators are just forcing cohesion it must be difficult.

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ImperialOperative wrote...

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Being mono-gendered is actually a great advantage. You would have no suppression of gays for example...


You fool, the concept of "gay" wouldn't exist.



Yes. That´s why there would be no suppression. Fool.

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 I'm suppressed :o

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RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

-notices its a 3month old post-

Why?! -wipes hands on Rinpoche's shirt-


That's not a shirt, that's my sweat matted chest hair.




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Asari are female... Sha'ira told me so. :D

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pat.jontan wrote...

 I'm suppressed :o



That´s because you were banned.

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Vladivindel wrote...

 I have done extensive research on gender in social culture and in video games. The Asari acording to lore have what can only be described medically as a "Selectivly transmorphic suedo male hermaphriditism with testosterone immunity"


This has got to be one of the funniest things Ive read on a forum.  'Extensive research on gender', followed up by a load of spelling mistakes.  If you wanted to sound smart you failed and this whole discussion is ridiculous.

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yorkj86 wrote...

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In a universe where very single other species recognizes them as female it would be seen as culturally delusional to try and keep up a presense of being non-gendered.


They are unique and defy classification.

If you'd like to brave the cries of "cultural relativism", then you'd need to assert and prove the way in which their insistence of being mono-gendered is in some way detrimental to themselves and to others.  Lastly, it would have to be convincing to the Asari, who as we know, sometimes aren't open to radical social change, as the bartender on Illium tells us.


No they don't defy classification. The universe has already classified them as female. Mono-gendered means one-gendered. That gender is female. They have vaginas with heavy nerve clusters (or Asari just fake it?), uterus, breasts, femine curves, voice, eyes, etc. Everything about them is recognizable as female.

We have species that talks about their own sexuality, but then will have intimate relationships with krogan, human males, turians, salarians, etc. who cannot fit their native aesthetic standards of beauty. They even have a bias against asari who stick to their own kind. The most advanced race and they're entire sexual identity is based on silly scientifically denounced superstitions about gainning something from nothing when they meld with aliens? They are a fan service species. Trying to rationalize them as anything more is purely fan fictional. It's very clear that we were sex kittens first and then Bioware tried to add substance around them after the fact.

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Darkhour wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

In a universe where very single other species recognizes them as female it would be seen as culturally delusional to try and keep up a presense of being non-gendered.


They are unique and defy classification.

If you'd like to brave the cries of "cultural relativism", then you'd need to assert and prove the way in which their insistence of being mono-gendered is in some way detrimental to themselves and to others.  Lastly, it would have to be convincing to the Asari, who as we know, sometimes aren't open to radical social change, as the bartender on Illium tells us.


No they don't defy classification. The universe has already classified them as female. Mono-gendered means one-gendered.


There is no such thing as a "mono-gender" anything. It's like a negative zero.

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I'm no expert but I assume Asari:



Have asexual reproduction.

Are (in comparison to human sexuality) female by the fact they have a womb, give birth, can breast feed their young.



Now, question is in ME1, does male Shepard have intercourse with Liara or not? Because the Asari anatomy, since not requiring intercourse as part of the reproduction process, wouldn't be designed for intercourse. I assume. What we humans would call foreplay is their entire mating act so I'm guessing male Shep was left high and dry (hence the reason he took a cold shower and was already dressed ready to head back to work by the time Liara woke up). Skin on skin contact may be necessary for the Asari mating ritual to be complete but considering they can mate with Krogan I'm tempted to believe it's not necessary.

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I think you are anthropomorphising. Asari are *alien*. Biological and social rules from this planet just don't apply to them.



None of the words "she" and "he" and "masculine" and "feminine" are correct.

Asari are "it", if anything, though there isn't a word in English that really describes what they are.



Because they have bumps on their chests we use the words "she" and "daughter" and "feminine" even though those words don't accurately describe the situation.



When we meet real aliens, I suspect we are going to have to invent a lot of new language to deal with them.

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You sure it wasn't a "Hey, you know what would sell the game? Hot blue alien chicks, that even female characters can bang!" "Thats a great idea! High five!" kind of thing?

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vhatever wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

In a universe where very single other species recognizes them as female it would be seen as culturally delusional to try and keep up a presense of being non-gendered.


They are unique and defy classification.

If you'd like to brave the cries of "cultural relativism", then you'd need to assert and prove the way in which their insistence of being mono-gendered is in some way detrimental to themselves and to others.  Lastly, it would have to be convincing to the Asari, who as we know, sometimes aren't open to radical social change, as the bartender on Illium tells us.


No they don't defy classification. The universe has already classified them as female. Mono-gendered means one-gendered.


There is no such thing as a "mono-gender" anything. It's like a negative zero.


There is no such thing as element zero either. I am talking about the Mass Effect universe.

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Asari conceive and bear young and suckle them. They are females. Just because they are the most powerful species in the Universe does not make them somehow 'male'. You can try to lawyer them into a 'hermaphrodite' label if you want, but they are women. They do not impregnate each other with penises. Get over this dead-horse argument already.

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Havokk7 wrote...

I think you are anthropomorphising. Asari are *alien*. Biological and social rules from this planet just don't apply to them.

None of the words "she" and "he" and "masculine" and "feminine" are correct.
Asari are "it", if anything, though there isn't a word in English that really describes what they are.

Because they have bumps on their chests we use the words "she" and "daughter" and "feminine" even though those words don't accurately describe the situation.

When we meet real aliens, I suspect we are going to have to invent a lot of new language to deal with them.


Because they have bumps on their chests, they are MAMMALS. Clearly evolution on Thessia is very similar to Earth's.

One thing you boys don't seem to realize is that females are the base model of any species, the self-replicating model. Males are the variant, that exist to randomize genes for more varied offspring. If females could self-fertilize, males would be unnecessary. Asari are just such a race. They self-fertilize, using a biotic connection to another being to randomize the 'father' half of the daughter's DNA. It's not hermaphroditism, it's parthenogenesis, specifically hybridogenesis. Seriously, how many times do we have to debate alien gender? The ones that pop out the kids are the females, folks. It really is that simple.

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Sounds good to me.

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Darkhour wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

In a universe where very single other species recognizes them as female it would be seen as culturally delusional to try and keep up a presense of being non-gendered.


They are unique and defy classification.

If you'd like to brave the cries of "cultural relativism", then you'd need to assert and prove the way in which their insistence of being mono-gendered is in some way detrimental to themselves and to others.  Lastly, it would have to be convincing to the Asari, who as we know, sometimes aren't open to radical social change, as the bartender on Illium tells us.


No they don't defy classification. The universe has already classified them as female. Mono-gendered means one-gendered. That gender is female.


Uhhh, no. People from bioware have already said that Asari are NOT females. It's highly unlikely other species all work on binary sexes anyway. Some races may ahve multiple "sexes", what do you call them then? What would you call a race with three sexes? Male, female, and "ohcrapIdon'tknow"?

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Siansonea II wrote...

Asari conceive and bear young and suckle them. They are females. Just because they are the most powerful species in the Universe does not make them somehow 'male'. You can try to lawyer them into a 'hermaphrodite' label if you want, but they are women. They do not impregnate each other with penises. Get over this dead-horse argument already.



Liara says she is not really female. Considering she´s an asari she probably knows better than you.

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Tirigon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Asari conceive and bear young and suckle them. They are females. Just because they are the most powerful species in the Universe does not make them somehow 'male'. You can try to lawyer them into a 'hermaphrodite' label if you want, but they are women. They do not impregnate each other with penises. Get over this dead-horse argument already.



Liara says she is not really female. Considering she´s an asari she probably knows better than you.


Actually, she says she's not exactly a woman. There is a difference. The asari, not having males, lack a concept for men and women, and assigned gender roles. They are simply asari. They are all capable of bearing and suckling young, so they are females. No amount of lawyering is going to get around that, folks.

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Siansonea II wrote...


Actually, she says she's not exactly a woman. There is a difference. The asari, not having males, lack a concept for men and women, and assigned gender roles. They are simply asari. They are all capable of bearing and suckling young, so they are females. No amount of lawyering is going to get around that, folks.




No. They are ASARI, not females.