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Did Inquisition change the way you think about factions and lore?


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Melyanna

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It definitely did for me.

As an example, I've never liked the templars much, but with Inquisition I was actually happier in my playthrough where I sided with them, than the one where I sided with the mages.

I used to think Fiona was kind of cool, but she doesn't seem that cool now.

Not to mention the Grey Wardens...


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I've kind of softened my stance on the Templars.  I've come to realize it is good to have soldiers trained in combating hostile magic to protect the population.  It's just I think I didn't like them in the previous games because they were basically the military branch of the chantry which led to fanaticism in their ranks. 


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I would say it certainly redeemed elements of the Templars for me. Ser Barris is pretty much what a templar should aspire to be and positive portrayals were in short supply until Inquisition put them back in the spotlight.

If anything the mage quest only reinforced my opinion that the weakest links within the mages tend to be their leaders. Fiona clearly proved unequal to the task of leading the rebellion she started.

The Grey Wardens have always had elements who have lost their way, so it doesn't change my overall view, but it did remind me that too many have lost touch with anything outside of the blight. That single-mindedness has proven a weakness. 



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On most things, no. On Mages yes, I think they should be in 'free' circles. Watched over and kept and eye on but free to move about and have a life.

 

Grey Wardens are still heroes. Not sure what the game is trying to make us think of them but they were misguided and tricked by Corypheus and that Tevinter guy. They still cool.


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Inquisition showed me for the first time in 3 games, 1 expansion, and 8 pieces of story DLC that templars are not, as a group, always paranoid tyrants. They can in fact be awesome. Shame most of them got turned into red templars because I did In Hushed Whispers.

 

Did I change my mind about mage freedom? No, College of Enchanters here we come. Did I change my mind about Grey Wardens? No, looking forward to them rebuilding in the south. I'm disappointed I didn't get to experience the awesomeness that is Ser Barris firsthand, but thems the breaks. Hopefully the new Seekers of Truth can become the new magic police.



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I'm not as pro-100% unlimited mage freedom as I used to be. I found myself more sympathetic to the Templars and I see that the Circles are needed (I still believe they should be run by mages and should be a means to an end though). The mage rebellion was not a good idea and Fiona was a terrible leader.

 

I've always disliked the Chantry and after Inquisition I dislike it even more. Things need to change, luckily they can though. God I love making hardened Leliana into the Divine....:devil:

 

The Qun appears to be going through a process of re-writing by Bioware. Now we accept women living as men and you can change your role if you want. If that's true, then the Qun is slowly but surely moving away from being The Worst Thing Ever. If it's a lie (and this information comes from a guy who's title means "Liar" in Qunlat) then the Qun still sucks.

 

The Grey Wardens seem to have become nothing but "blight blight blight" which is depressing. They are much more than that. Bioware if you can't come up with a good storyline for the Wardens then just leave them out of the story. Don't ruin them. -_-



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The Qun appears to be going through a process of re-writing by Bioware. Now we accept women living as men and you can change your role if you want. If that's true, then the Qun is slowly but surely moving away from being The Worst Thing Ever. If it's a lie (and this information comes from a guy who's title means "Liar" in Qunlat) then the Qun still sucks.

 

You also have to take into account that Bull's perspective comes from a guy who reached a point where he started to question the Qun, went to the brainwashers to get fixed and they basically told him : "well yeah this is bad, but we can use this, it will make you best spy ever". So Bulls views can be perceived as progressive and moderate because of his experience with the world. I kind of got the impression that his attachment to Qun, aside from the upbringing, is because he is afraid that he might go mad without that structure (because he has seen it happened), on the other hand being so well traveled and experience he has come to the realization that such structure is not for everyone. He also hates his role as a spy for the Qun (as apparent from his reaction to his title "Liar") he collects outcasts and wash-outs because he himself feels to be one of those.

Also I got the impression that under the Qun, as long as you are a follower, it doesn't matter who you are and what you are (but you are still second class citizent if you are not Qunary).

 

 


The Grey Wardens seem to have become nothing but "blight blight blight" which is depressing. They are much more than that. Bioware if you can't come up with a good storyline for the Wardens then just leave them out of the story. Don't ruin them. -_-

 

I think there was always something very sinister about Wardens from the very beginning, I'm also not terribly convinced that what happened at conclave was because Corypheus was controlling those wardens (the way he says "our victory" and then ok creating an army of demons to fight the blight might make sense on some level, but killing the Divine?) There is no telling what is going on in the higher echelons of Wardens, I mean there is even a pattern: low rank mages got screwed by Fiona, low rank Templars were screwed up by Envy posing as Lord Seeker, Lord Seeker was hiding important things from low rank Seekers. 


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No not really.  There is never any justification to curb someone else freedom out of fear.

 

I don't care for groupthink that supports that fear.  Its about personal responsability that few people are willing to take.  Hiding behind groupthink is easyer and thus popular.  Goverments / psychopaths and power craving personalities thrive of groupthink so they can proclaim to protect.  This "policing" nonsence is also so long going on it is hard too see through, most people are accustumed to it that policing themselves or put in a different way taking responsability, seems absurd.


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Nope still in favor of the Mages, as I think the Circle system is ripe for abuse by the jailers Templar Knights. They so wanted to make the Templar's out like poor victims this time around because you were working for the Chantry even if the game was telling your not working for them.


Also Look at how they retacon the kicking out mage children with the Dalish, when in DA2 and DAO children with magic were given to other clans and even taken in by them. They also let city elves into the clans, as well, but in this game they retacon this as bull crud. I still like the Dalish at least make the retacon conform to the previous games.
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I don't think my feelings on any factions have changed much, to be honest.    The Templars have been humbled and that may generate some sympathy in some, but for me I tend to view it as karma for their terrible actions.   Bad things deserve to happen to bad people.    Wow, I just sounded like Sera... that's a frightening thought. 

 

I think some of the writers of the Qun might have been shocked at how much some people hate the Qun and have tried to soften it.   Sorry, but trying to make the Qun more appealing is like adding ketchup to a septic tank to try to improve its taste.  

 

The mages still largely have my sympathy.   Most are scared and innocent and people often make incredibly bad choices when scared.   I also never read any of the books, so I don't even begin to understand where all the Fiona hatred comes from. 

 

Never been a chantry fan, and saw nothing here to change that stance.   My dalish do seem to be a bit more misguided by a past that never was much like they believe it to be.   However, they still represent the truest sense of 'free' people in Thedas to me. 

 

Finally, the wardens still feel pretty much the same.    Sure, they are filled with dedicated heroes who believe in their calling.  (Yes, I see what I did there)   However, like almost any 'organization' its the corruption of too much power by their failed leaders that lead to their downfall.   Which makes me wonder....   How are players going to accept the inevitable corruption of power of "their" Inquistion in future games?


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@Navasha:  "Bad things deserve to happen to bad people." 

 

So - if bad things happen to someone, they're bad people? 

 

You got some Old Testament judgement in your social justice warrioring.
 


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The poltical leaders in real life use the same reasoning the chantry use to crub some people rights over others. That is never a excuse to curb someone's else's rights like they have with the Mages in this game. It because they can be taken by a demon so what a cat can be possessed in this game and I don't see humans locking them up for life.

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I like the Templars a bit better, as well, though I've always thought they're necessary - just not in the way things work Circles. It was also very enlightening to hear the pro-Circle mages.

 

I've disliked the Wardens since the beginning of Origins, so no changes there :P Never been too fond of the Dalish, either, so the revelations didn't really affect me, though I liked playing a Dalish character.



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@Medhia_Nox - Well I suppose if you want to add in your own personal commentary.   However, I never said those words... You did.   You don't seem to quite comprehend what I actually said.  

 

When bad things happen to good people, it is a tragedy.   Bad things that happen to BAD people is payback.   

 

One produces sympathy...   the other produces satisfaction.  


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All the elven ruins, especially the temple of Mythal, and Solas' stroies really made me realize what the elves have lost, and how far they've fallen. Sure it was present all the way from Origins, but those places, still amazing as ruins really run the point home.

 

Basically, the same effect Deep Roads in Origins had for me about what the dwarves have lost.

 

Also gained some better insight into Tevinter and Orleasians, but no epiphanies about the mages, templars or the wardens.



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It affirmed my view that both the circles and Templars both are needed but made me see that both are in need of reform as the current way the systems work did a disservice to mages, Templars and the chantry even if it didn't see it any good.

 

The game also fleshed out and humanized Tevinter a little bit both with the presence of Dorian a Tevinter Mage, from war table missions and from codexes found in Tevinter ruins that showed a more human side of them.

 

As for the Wardens it confirmed what I thought shortly after getting into origins that that wardens were very much a organization aimed first and foremost at stopping the darkspawn and the blights at all costs.



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The game also fleshed out and humanized Tevinter a little bit both with the presence of Dorian a Tevinter Mage, from war table missions and from codexes found in Tevinter ruins that showed a more human side of them.

 

 

I do agree about Tevinter!



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I always saw the Mage Templat conflict in a pretty one sided way. I was pleased and shocked when I found myself understading completely where the other side was coming from. I found myself saying 'no' to complete mage freedom and was annoyed with myself but.. I couldn't give it to them.



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Chatting with Dorian has made me more interested in Tevinter. It's been painted as the bogeyman nation so far (though not without cause - usually when Tevinter show up in the South, it's to kidnap some slaves). But after learning more about the complexity of their society, I'd love to experience it in another game. 

 

Also, learning that mage circles aren't necessarily prisons and that Kirkwall was an extreme fluke. That the Templars were intended to be protectors and not jailers. 

 

And the Dalish. It's hard not to feel bad for them - they try so hard to recapture their lost culture, but when they find it, they can't even recognize it.



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Nope, still have the same viewpoints as before. The templar quest just further confirmed my hatred of templars by confirming that the upper leadership was corrupt. I was glad to finally wipe them out and give mages the freedom they deserved.



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Nope. When you're a moderate and try to actively refrain from jumping to conclusions it's hard to be surprised. I believe in DA's Maker more than I did prior to Inquisition. That's about it. I knew the elves were immortal and their gods existed too. I just couldn't prove it. 


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I'm more interested now in the ancient elven history than I was before. Everything else is about the same.
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I felt much more sympathy for templars since their addiction and abuse were recognized and how unlike mages, they are tethered to the one who holds their drug supply.

Tevinter was a lot more intriguing.

I have become less impressed with the first enchanters with DA2 and DA:I. Crazy, incompetent or conniving/ruthless. So unlike First enchanter Irving :( it gave less favorable light to mage leadership.

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Not really.  I do think Inquisition did a better job presenting differing viewpoints in the cultures and belief systems that we see.

 

The few pieces given about dwarven lore and history have me positively drooling.  When Solas describes the dwarves as a "cut-off limb" to Varric...what is THAT all about?  Were the dwarves at one time able to dream and produce mages?

 

MORE ABOUT THE DWARVES, BIOWARE.


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It made me see the mage rebellion as irresponsible. I didn't play DA2 but how things look for the mages in DAI, it makes me pity them but at the same time not.

So I'm pro templar...
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