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Though, correct me if I'm wrong on the lore, but isn't it only possible for spirits to possess mages? And your Inquisitor can be decidedly non-magical. 

 

You are wrong.Spirits, demons particulary seek to possess mages A) because it's the easiest B )they can do most in a mage's body.But they can still possess non-mages.



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Though, correct me if I'm wrong on the lore, but isn't it only possible for spirits to possess mages? And your Inquisitor can be decidedly non-magical. 

 

You're wrong. Otherwise there wouldn't be Spirit Warriors or Seekers. Demons that want to crossover seek out mages specifically because they could alter reality the way spirits and demons can in the Fade.

 

When spirits join up it's usually for altruistic purposes rather than selfish and it's usually with someone they already know from dreams I'd wager. 



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You are wrong.Spirits, demons particulary seek to possess mages A) because it's the easiest B) they can do most in a mage's body.But they can still possess non-mages.

 

You're right, I'd forgotten that. Thanks! 



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You're right, I'd forgotten that. Thanks! 

You're wrong. No you didn't.

 

I just wanted to say that because everyone was doing it :P



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Though, correct me if I'm wrong on the lore, but isn't it only possible for spirits to possess mages? And your Inquisitor can be decidedly non-magical. 

 

There is no limit to possession beside Seekers and things that already have a +1. Spirits can even possess trees, that create a sylvan.

 

But, Flemythal also says in DAI that possession can not be pushed on an unwilling host...



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You're wrong. No you didn't.

 

I just wanted to say that because everyone was doing it :P

 It's cool, I left open the possibility that I misremembered some lore! 


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But, Flemythal also says in DAI that possession can not be pushed on an unwilling host...

 

I always thought that was sort of implied? When you speak with mages, they usually talk about the risk of making a mistake; of consenting to a demon in a moment of weakness. I always figured that the rules were a lot like Supernatural and angels - angels couldn't possess you unless you said yes, but once you did, they could ride you like a circus monkey. 

 

Though that sort of begs the question - how does a tree consent to possession?



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I always thought that was sort of implied? When you speak with mages, they usually talk about the risk of making a mistake; of consenting to a demon in a moment of weakness. I always figured that the rules were a lot like Supernatural and angels - angels couldn't possess you unless you said yes, but once you did, they could ride you like a circus monkey. 

 

Though that sort of begs the question - how does a tree consent to possession?

 

I suppose that only works with sapient/sentient beings. Trees are very much alive. They just don't think or feel which is why a displaced demon or spirit would rather jump into one than become an insane Shade.



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Yep. Demons possess spiders to produce giant spiders. Let's not forget corpses either. Permission is only needed when you can actually give permission. 

 

Anyway, I doubt the Inquisitor is possessed by anything. Much more likely they have the same kind of thing Wynne had pre-Uldred going on. 



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Sorry if someone has already posted this.

 

 

Interesting... The Inquisitor is possessed by a spirit of faith!

Veery interesting!



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Interesting but, I took it as simply the inquistor's strong connection tot he fade summoning that spirit. Why it isn't an ability we can use in other battles I don't know but, I assume ore Quizzy that can easly enter the fade physically can just as easily pull spirits out of the fade and, he/she does know that one after Adamant so, it makes sense for him/her to call on that one.

 

But if that is one of the elven gods, or even a spirit of faith or hope, or guidance/help then, it's possible that Quizzy is a willing host for the spirit when it wishes a host.



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But, Flemythal also says in DAI that possession can not be pushed on an unwilling host...

Well the that particular rule seems to be only the case in whatever Flemeth does to change bodies. Demons quite often force themselves into the unwilling.

To be fair though demons might all be working around this rule quite easily by the common plan of "Just overpower the victim and then torture it (mentally) until it says yes. Either way the rule is moot.



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It's common knowledge that you have to willingly let a demon possess you, codex entry. Otherwise, Uldred wouldn't be torturing mages in the Harrowing Chamber. The fact that consent is given after torture is irrelevant. This isn't a court of law. 



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It's common knowledge that you have to willingly let a demon possess you, codex entry. Otherwise, Uldred wouldn't be torturing mages in the Harrowing Chamber. The fact that consent is given after torture is irrelevant. This isn't a court of law. 

Just shows that the rule can be easily worked around in any case and shouldn't comfort anyone in their right senses.

 



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Moment of, perhaps, either Crazy Logic or Fridge Logic. 

 

- Demons need consent to possess a living, sentient creature. 

- But they can possess trees. Either trees don't need consent or are somehow able to signal they're okay being possessed. 

- Demons can also possess the dead. 

 

Soo... can demons possess dead trees? 

 

Like, could they possibly possess, say, a pear tree that is later chopped down and turned into a steamer trunk? So now there's a haunted, demon-possessed piece of luggage running around Thedas?



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"...a demon always attempts to possess a mage when it encounters one—by force or by making some kind of deal" Codex entry: Abomination

 

"It only works because the child gave himself to the demon willingly. If the demon takes over the host forcibly, we must slay the abomination." - Irving on the ritual that can be used to save Connor

 

Irving's quote implies that a mind is destroyed if forcibly taken (no Connor left in Connor's head to save). Presumably that makes the resulting abomination weaker and closer to what you get taking a corpse so discerning demons and elven gods get consent.