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How...how do ppl defend the demon commander?


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#26
VilhoDog13

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I hate the camping strategy with dc. It just makes it easier for terror demons/fear demons/wraiths/ and the dc to kill everyone.

 

Just have one person take aggro. When the dc disappears, he will create a green mist on his target. If you're paying attention - and it's not you, avoid the teammate with the green mist. If it is you, start running when he first disappears. When you see the mist on you, jump. You can avoid him 90% of the time (I say 90% because any slow on you from fear demon will make this much harder to do. Also, not paying attention and jumping into a wall will still lead you to being damaged).

 

He'll either follow you trying to hit you, if you're far enough. If you're close, he'll scream. When he screams, he'll disappear to do a ranged attack, but will quickly disappear to do another leaping attack. Just be aware of his habits and he'll be easy to predict.



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First and Foremost, learn his pattern, this is the most important thing. Demon commander is very simple. He warps underground, and then whoever has aggro is marked, by a black and green smoke. Not to be confused with the greenish mist that is a wraith's Weaken. A second or two later he will do the uppercut. After a few moments, sometimes almost immediately if you manage to dodge and then hit him, he will do his scream, the scream is three blasts, can do damage. Initially it slows you, and if you get hit by last blast, it panics you, for a while. He then tunnels again and pops up at a distance to shoot for spirit bolts at whomever has aggro. After this he tunnels for his uppercut, and its rinse and repeat.

 

Strategy

First and foremost, you want to stay in the beginning room, but do not bunch up, have warrior types near door but again away from each other, and not actually blocking doorway. Then you want ranged chars back a bit firing out the door, their main idea is to get wraiths to bunch together so they can wipe them out at a distance, chainlighting, walking bomb and other such multi target abilities are great here. This is you base set up. Try and be aware of who has Aggro, and always, always watch for the smoke. A good strategy is watch for him to go under after he does that, just turn and run in a dirrection till he pops up.

 

Mages: Barrier and Fadestep or fade cloak are the way to go, I personally have fallen in love with Fadestep, costs no mana and you move fast, as long as you pay attention, and react fast, DC will never hit you. For Arcane Warriors, if you draw aggro, when he shoots at you, knock the blasts back at him for decent damage, and if he uppercuts on another member of the team, this is the time to fade step through him, turn and cut him to pieces, you might get hit with the scream but thats not too bad.

 

Shield Warriors: Best strat is to either run, or use shield wall or walking fortress, its a bit tricky, but if you play with it you can come out in the positive, payback strike is good for getting out of the panic.

 

Two handers: Reaver, best strat is to run to avoid the uppercut, if you can, immediately turn, hit rampage, and go to town with Dragon Rage, your strat should be to hunt him down and beast him, kill him as fast as possible. Katari, Running bull is your bread and butter here, if you're targeted, use bull to run when you see the smoke. If you're not targeted, then use bull and run through him, you won't do much damage, but you'll hit him and get guard, win win.

 

Dual wield: Stealth, Stealth, Stealth. If you do things right, DC will never target you. When I play my assassin, I actually stealth out of the room, my goal is to run around and clear off as many wraiths as I can, as well as hitting some of the other mobs, the idea is to keep them off your teamates backs, if you do it right, you'll never be unstealthed for more than a second.

 

Bows: Distance and leaping shot, save your leaping shot and manage your stamina, that way if you get targeted, the moment you see black smoke hit leaping shot, if done right you will avoid his strike and get in a good hit.

 

These are just the strategies I use, and I tend to do pretty decent with them, mind you I'm only up to playing threatening at this point.



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Shield Warriors: Best strat is to either run, or use shield wall or walking fortress, its a bit tricky, but if you play with it you can come out in the positive, payback strike is good for getting out of the panic.

 

Bows: Distance and leaping shot, save your leaping shot and manage your stamina, that way if you get targeted, the moment you see black smoke hit leaping shot, if done right you will avoid his strike and get in a good hit.

 

 

I use most of this myself - allthough, a few comments: Using shield wall, you can hug a wall with your back which forces the DC to jump up in front of you and that makes the uppercut blockable and gives you guard. Other than that, if you are legionnaire and have walking fortress you are golden, as you want to save this for the smoke, and that way the DC turns into just a nuisance.

If you are AW just stand still and aggro everything. You can perfectly well solo the DC on any difficulty. So sit back and light up a cig.

Also, I find leaping shot probably the most unreliable escapeskill. I'd rather just start running once I see him go down for the uppercut. With low lag it usually works a charm. You might still get hit sometimes though.

 

Lastly, if you are a bit stacked, just kill him as quick as possible. If everyone focuses with all they have he will go down in seconds. Then the rest is childs play.



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Also, I find leaping shot probably the most unreliable escapeskill. I'd rather just start running once I see him go down for the uppercut. With low lag it usually works a charm. You might still get hit sometimes though.

 

Lastly, if you are a bit stacked, just kill him as quick as possible. If everyone focuses with all they have he will go down in seconds. Then the rest is childs play.

Leaping shot is better than nothing, I tend to get zoned in on blasting mobs from afar, Or I lose him in the sea of things I'm blasting that I can't see him go under, I try running first, but if I see the smoke before I start, well its better than just taking the hit, I just quickly look down and knock it off, more often I get a pretty good blast on him.

 

As for the AW gods, I have to rebuild him, took strength of spirits before I knew its downside. But the Bipolar Feeling that fade step gives me is just sweet, start off in the back, hitting things from a far, then I see him pop up under a warrior and I fadestep in, and just go to town on him. Or he targets me, I fade step away and start hitting him from afar, watch as he goes for his shot and am ready to smack it back in his face..... as I said, I got addicted to Fade step because of him.



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Leaping shot is better than nothing, I tend to get zoned in on blasting mobs from afar, Or I lose him in the sea of things I'm blasting that I can't see him go under, I try running first, but if I see the smoke before I start, well its better than just taking the hit, I just quickly look down and knock it off, more often I get a pretty good blast on him.

 

As for the AW gods, I have to rebuild him, took strength of spirits before I knew its downside. But the Bipolar Feeling that fade step gives me is just sweet, start off in the back, hitting things from a far, then I see him pop up under a warrior and I fadestep in, and just go to town on him. Or he targets me, I fade step away and start hitting him from afar, watch as he goes for his shot and am ready to smack it back in his face..... as I said, I got addicted to Fade step because of him.

 

If you use fade cloak once he pops at you you wont take any damage and return quite a lot back. Fade cloak is what makes AW OP together with the barrier he gets. When I fight DC on any difficulty with AW, I just stand still and kill everything. All you need is to use fade cloak once you get the smoke and you are golden. 



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"How...how do ppl defend the demon commander?"

I don't know - given that Geth Prime got so much fire from players, because it is felt as annoying. The DC fields even more BS. I don't really see why someone would think the idea that DC is a good idea.

It really tops it with the multi-instakill capability. However, I'm glad the crap is over quickly when sh1t hits the fan.



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DC or Banshee..... I'll take the DC..... Sync kills can just not ever return.



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I know the Fade Cloak is good for DC, logically yes, but I don't want a skill that I know that I, myself, will probably ONLY use on the DC, especially since when I am building my mages it's usually a choice of Fade Step or Fade Cloak and I am ADDICTED to Fade Step/Frost Step so hardcore, it's ridicules. I pump out my damage as high as I can and start ramming mooks, if you curve it right, you can slam into the same dude several times and outright kill them on perilous. I'm surprised I don't run into more randoms using it aggressively and not just a gtfo move. Not that the Cloak isn't insanely good too, cuz it is, I just find the Step to fit me better.



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I know the Fade Cloak is good for DC, logically yes, but I don't want a skill that I know that I, myself, will probably ONLY use on the DC, especially since when I am building my mages it's usually a choice of Fade Step or Fade Cloak and I am ADDICTED to Fade Step/Frost Step so hardcore, it's ridicules. I pump out my damage as high as I can and start ramming mooks, if you curve it right, you can slam into the same dude several times and outright kill them on perilous. I'm surprised I don't run into more randoms using it aggressively and not just a gtfo move. Not that the Cloak isn't insanely good too, cuz it is, I just find the Step to fit me better.

THis, its like the AW version of Charging bull, just faster, great for closing the distance with Archers, and damaging them at the same time. I'm Aiming for a build where I can use Pull, fade step through them, and then just wail on what still lives. I'm not dismissing Fade Cloak, but I just love face step, I love giving people headaches.... he's up with the warriors slashing things.... wait, now he just zoomed back by the mages to kill one that got by.... wait no he's back up in front..... and now he zoomed back and is pumping out ranged Dps..... With Step you can in an instant change what role you're playing.



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Jeremiah12LGeek

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My problem with him isn't the uppercut as much as it's the stunlock. He's the Geth Prime of the game, it feels like.

 

Even if I survive the first uppercut, he just immediately hits me with panic, and then cycles around to killing me again before I recover. When someone revives me, I'm immediately hit with panic again, and by the time I recover... uppercut. I've had this happen three times in a row a lot. :(

 

Stand in the corner and cry.

 

So far, this is my best strategy.



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THis, its like the AW version of Charging bull, just faster, great for closing the distance with Archers, and damaging them at the same time. I'm Aiming for a build where I can use Pull, fade step through them, and then just wail on what still lives. I'm not dismissing Fade Cloak, but I just love face step, I love giving people headaches.... he's up with the warriors slashing things.... wait, now he just zoomed back by the mages to kill one that got by.... wait no he's back up in front..... and now he zoomed back and is pumping out ranged Dps..... With Step you can in an instant change what role you're playing.

For AW I would recommend a build that will use either Fade step or Chain Lightning, depends on your flavour - then fade cloak, pull of the abyss and spirit blade. If you think fade cloak is only usefull against the DC then you havent killed entire groups of enemies with the PotA and fade cloak combo. It is certainly one of the most effective murdering comboes in the game. Also Fade cloak is a killing blow against most enemies, a great barriergenerator and has en extremely low cooldown and last but not least it will make you practically invincible even on perilous... I just didnt mention this because I thought this was by far common knowledge. Apparantly not.

Fade step has just a completely different utility so it shouldnt be either or, it should be both.


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