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[eVilate]

Thanks for the guide

[Torkelight]

Yeh, it's a pretty dumb sysem in place IMO.

Sure, it's not ideal, but it's the way it has to be - but on the positive side, I never had the key glitch happen to me when I soloed this achievment and I dont expect it to happen to anyone else, as you dont have firestorm in the game or any other knockaround AOE effect. Even invis enemies dies normally in the cloud, without any glitches.

Also, best suggestion I have to not having to experience the key glitch in PUG's is to avoid elementalists at all costs really. Unless you run 4 player private games. It works for me. I've had one key glitch the last week in god knows how many games, and that happened when an elementalist joined an open slot midway in a run. It only took him half a stage to glitch the game.

[eVilate]

Sure, it's not ideal, but it's the way it has to be - but on the positive side, I never had the key glitch happen to me when I soloed this achievment and I dont expect it to happen to anyone else, as you dont have firestorm in the game or any other knockaround AOE effect. Even invis enemies dies normally in the cloud, without any glitches.
 

 

Hmm, just been testing the build. They dont seem to die any faster with multiple clouds then they do with 1, are you sure they stack?

[Torkelight]

Hmm, just been testing the build, they dont seem to die any faster with multiple clouds then they do with 1, are you sure they stack?

I WAS pretty sure. But I might be wrong, which is a bit of egg on the face... but I've seen an increase in damage numbers pop up over enemies once I stack toxic clouds. I have to say tough that toxic clouds are a bit random, as if you throw three of them around an area then two of them might disappear immediatly, while the last one last quite long. Sometimes all of them stay up. It doesnt really seem to be any logic to it for me, but maybe Penguin can explain it, as he is a bit more thorough testing these kinda things than I am. I lack the patience.

You know I might be wrong. I just assumed that they did because of the damage numbers I saw, And I have to say that they did seem to die alot faster once I threw down several clouds on top of eachother. I suggest you try this a bit longer and see what you think after a run or two.

Besides: It really makes no difference in the end though. This is the quickest and best way to do it even if they dont stack - if penguin doesnt have any ninja-moves up his sleeves. So if you want that poison achievment you have to do it anyway. If they dont stack it is probably still usefull to spread clouds around a bigger area.

[eVilate]

Done a few runs now, not sure if I am missing something but often the clouds just aren't doing enough to kill them and I end up taking too much damage. Doing as you said, running straight to end not in stealth. Line of sighting ranged to make them come close and into clouds but the clouds just aren't killing them.

[Torkelight]

Done a few runs now, not sure if I am missing something but often the clouds just aren't doing enough to kill them and I end up taking too much damage. Doing as you said, running straight to end not in stealth. Line of sighting ranged to make them come close and into clouds but the clouds just aren't killing them.

Well, the problem you have then is that you do not have enough damage on your main hand unfortunatly. I guess I didnt consider that too much while writing the guide. On my runs all normal enemies died on one cloud, while some demanded a bit more work. So I guess they way I was doing it demands a bit more DPS. What is it if I might ask? Your DPS that is. Or what blade are you using?

Unfortunatly then if the clouds do not stack at all, it will have to require a higher dps weapon. Sorry if I had your hopes up there.

I did this with Blade of red birth which is probably why it was so easy.

[eVilate]

Oh well yeh that might be the problem, I have no Blade of Red Birth haha. I am using Coiled Strike with rune its at 334 dps and a Carta Fang at 272 dps. While we are talking about this, I'm still not entirely sure on this but which is your main hand going off your inventory, left or right? I would think its the left side of the inventory like most games but you never know.

[Torkelight]

Oh well yeh that might be the problem, I have no Blade of Red Birth haha. I am using Coiled Strike with rune its at 334 dps and a Carta Fang at 272 dps. While we are talking about this, I'm still not entirely sure on this but which is your main hand going off your inventory, left or right? I would think its the left side of the inventory like most games but you never know.

 

I would say it is the left, as that item will be in your right hand. Im quite sure they didnt create left handed characters even though that would only be fair.

[eVilate]

I would say it is the left, as that item will be in your right hand. Im quite sure they didnt create left handed characters even though that would only be fair.

Hmm another question (sorry). Is the damage you deal with skills as an Assassin or Alchemist based on the weapon in your main hand or is it based on both weapons and therefore doesn't matter which hand your highest dps one is in?

[Torkelight]

I am pretty sure most, if not all skills are based on the main hand weapon. Not 100% sure on twin fangs but I believe so.

[eVilate]

I am pretty sure most, if not all skills are based on the main hand weapon. Not 100% sure on twin fangs but I believe so.

Alright cool, thanks for answering. Hopefully I can get a Blade of Red Birth so your build works better for me. At any rate I got about 150 kills testing it.

[Torkelight]

Alright cool, thanks for answering. Hopefully I can get a Blade of Red Birth so your build works better for me. At any rate I got about 150 kills testing it.

If you have a bow you could always try hunter, but I'm pretty sure this alchemist build is quicker.

[Trickshaw]

Hmm, just been testing the build. They dont seem to die any faster with multiple clouds then they do with 1, are you sure they stack?

No, they do not.

Otherwise explosive toxin would be OP as ****. The only bonus of using flask is so you don't have to retreat as often to get the mobs to gather up.

Here's the only "guide" you need to farm poison kills.

Step 1: Solo routine at 20. This is for both damage and defense bonuses.
Step 2: Pull mobs back to a choke point so that ranged as well as melee clump up.
Step 3: Drop Toxic Cloud as they approach.
Step 4: Repeat.

Done.

DPS is irrelevant. Equip the highest damage weapon you have. Actual damage. Not DPS. As some weapons have different attack speeds. Rune is irrelevant. Does not factor into cloud damage. ArP is irrelevant. Stack attack% if you can.

[-PenguinFetish-]

Poison clouds dont stack.

Ill just do a video so you can actually see what to do as opposed to theorycraft.

[Trickshaw]

Poison clouds dont stack.
Ill just do a video so you can actually see what to do as opposed to theorycraft.

That'll work too.

I still haven't figured out how to record for DA without it crashing every two minutes. The drain on my CPU is ridiculous. I can record ANY other game just fine. I load up DA and my CPU goes balls to the walls right out the gate.

[-PenguinFetish-]

That'll work too.

I still haven't figured out how to record for DA without it crashing every two minutes. The drain on my CPU is ridiculous. I can record ANY other game just fine. I load up DA and my CPU goes balls to the walls right out the gate.

Working as intended.

[Torkelight]

Here's the only "guide" you need to farm poison kills.

I'm pretty sure I do it quicker than you, with my method as I dont run to a choke point on the map, but at the end of the level to get aggro of all enemies simultaniously and spread that cloud around. Might not work for all but it works if you have damage. Which is what I mean when I said DPS (obviously). Also the flask works well on spreading out the toxins to cover a larger area even if it doesnt stack. This I am certain of. And that makes it a whole lot quicker than being limited to one cloud, and being stationary - and not even use poison daggers. So, I'm not sure your "guide" will make anything any better.
 

 

Poison clouds dont stack.

Ill just do a video so you can actually see what to do as opposed to theorycraft.

It is not theorycrafting if you have farmed 2500 poison kills the exact way as described. I might not be right to say that they stack (which I'm still not certain that it doesnt), but everything else is probably exactly the same way you do it - if not quicker.

[Trickshaw]

I'm pretty sure I do it quicker then you, with my method.

Calm down chief. Your Epeen isn't in question, I didn't mean to insult it. You're very manly and anonymous internet people like you.

...the flask works well on spreading out the toxins to cover a larger area.

Which is what I said.

...and not even use posion daggers.

Poison weapons are the worst of the three options given to us for obtaining poison kills. 9/10 weapon kills aren't poison kills and instead of speeding up the process it hinders it. You can finish the challenge in 25-30 matches or you can finish it in 50+. My way takes slightly longer but every kill is a poison kill. So when I end a match at 115+ bow kills at least 98% of those are poison kills.

It's better to pull *TO* you with, if an alchemist, layered toxins in a short line then it is to spread them around. Or if a hunter to drop lantern, pull aggro, zip back and bomb a corner.

Just sayin', it's not rocket science, no need to get in a huff.

[Torkelight]

Calm down chief. Your Epeen isn't in question, I didn't mean to insult it. You're very manly and anonymous internet people like you.

I am calm. Your posts usually have a tone of insults and arrogance. I have read many. Just to let you know. Then after that, you apologize, to make another insult. Well done. Anonymous people on the internet think you are cool. What epeen means, I have no idea.

 

Poison weapons are the worst of the three options given to us for obtaining poison kills. 9/10 weapon kills aren't poison kills and instead of speeding up the process it hinders it. You can finish the challenge in 25-30 matches or you can finish it in 50+. My way takes slightly longer but every kill is a poison kill. So when I end a match at 115+ bow kills at least 98% of those are poison kills.

No, it is not. You will quickly learn how many hits you will need to just damage enemies, and they will be finished off by the poison while you run ahead. If you are lucky you get a poison cloud proc which will eventually kill enemies that are following you, while you run. Time saving. Also the cool down is shorter than clouds f.ex. Like I said, I finished this challenge in 25 matches getting 100 +/- every match depending on my patience, and 3-4 hours tops. How many hours did you spend?

 

It's better to pull *TO* you with, if an alchemist, layered toxins in a short line then it is to spread them around. Or if a hunter to drop lantern, pull aggro, zip back and bomb a corner.

If you run towards end of stage, how else will the enemy approach than to run *TO* you? You dont really need a choke point to be able to layer toxic clouds in their path at all. Also, if you just put up toxic around a pillar or similar everything (with exception of some dogs) and hide behind it, even ranged will walk into your clouds.

Easy peasy.

The only reason I write this is that your tone implied that my writing a detailed tip guide was useless and unusable. Which I find borderline rude. Because it isnt.

[Saboteur-6]

Alright cool, thanks for answering. Hopefully I can get a Blade of Red Birth so your build works better for me. At any rate I got about 150 kills testing it.

 

Tork's strategy is solid but I'd recommend some more survivability and you want some key passives like Fighting Dirty, Explosive Toxin, and Alchemy Mastery to make sure the Poisoned DoT lasts as long as possible.   I'm doing the challenge with Poisoned Weapons, Toxic Cloud, Fire Flask, Sleep Bomb. You want to cluster the enemies like Tork mentioned using line of sight and then Fire Flask + Toxic Cloud + Sleep Bomb spam. I've got similar daggers so my DPS isn't in the 400's either.

 

You have to be a proactive though in keeping the chain of clouds going in that you might have to auto attack enemies a few times to bring their hp low for the poison to tick off the rest. You definitely want to be mindful of the dagger kills though else you're not registering the poisoned kills. Basically poisoned weapons help you apply the DoT to proc Toxic and continue the chain while also burning down high HP targets so the DoT will kill them. You do not want to just go ham spamming auto attack or you won't register poison kills.

 

Biggest game changer is having a heal on kill ring though. It makes this so much easier. If not, I'd probably do this challenge with a Hunter.

[Torkelight]

Biggest game changer is having a heal on kill ring though. It makes this so much easier.

Yes, I forgot to mention I used that. It makes it so easy together with a high damage weapon that I forgot that it might not be as easy for everyone. My mistake that.

[Geth Supremacy]

Erm.....It's a thread about grinding, and the song is called Grindin'.....

 

you should've just facepalmed....that was pretty bad lol.

[Geth Supremacy]

[Trickshaw]

I am calm. Your posts usually have a tone of insults and arrogance.

There's nothing I can do about any "tone" you read in my posts. Sorry.

No, it is not. You will quickly learn how many hits you will need to just damage enemies, and they will be finished off by the poison while you run ahead.

I can only speak for myself but nearly every mob in Routine gets one-shot by my alchemist's auto attacks. Ergo no poison kills with poison weapons. Ergo poison weapons are awful. Toxic cloud all the way.

If you are lucky you get a poison cloud proc...

Which happens **only** when the target DIES from poison. The fact you say, "if you're lucky" leads me to believe you didn't get nearly as many poison kills per mission as you're saying because every time they DONT explode, that's not a poison kill. It's not a proc. there's no random chance. It happens or it doesn't.

If you run towards end of stage, how else will the enemy approach than to run *TO* you?

Which will get you over run and force you to kill targets without poison. Clouds don't do enough damage and certainly dont last long enough to kill an entire wave. Not to mention even 20's can die on Routine and since clouds do no damage in stealth and not to mention pathing is awful I have a hard time believing you're downing entire wave after wave in one go with every mission under 10 minutes.

Unless you're using a trainer/hack.

Then Ok, sure. I can see it. You're not getting a 100% kill ratio that way methinks. I could be wrong. Would love a video of it in action.

The only reason I write this is that your tone implied that my writing a detailed tip guide was useless and unusable. Which I find borderline rude. Because it isnt.

I didn't even **read** your guide. What's the name of the thread? I'll check it out. All I saw was someone mentioning a guide and thought the idea hilarious given it's not that hard.

[Torkelight]

*snip*

It's weird that every enemy gets OHK'ed by your alchemist. I thought you played Hunter. Besides, I have blade of red birth, arguably the best dagger in the game, and I do not OHK every enemy. In fact that rarely happens unless i move in from stealth. Also, if you have such high damage maybe your toxic cloud should be able to do more, dont you think? Anyway, maybe its because I started farming as soon as I had all poisonrelated skills. Don't know what level it was but it didnt feel nescessary to maximize anything else, given that I can easily solo routine on level 1 anyway.

If you are lucky implies that the toxic cloud that eminates randomly when enemies dies of poison, does just that - it does not happen every time when they die from poison. But it's a free toxic cloud for you and you suffer no cooldown if it happens. It can even spread out even further. I dont remember the wording in the skill but I have stood and watched as several enemies die of poison, and no cloud appears.

 

You didnt read my "guide", so fair enough. My mistake. 

I'd make you a video if you ask nicely. I might even make one anyway.