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[RNDMstuff]

lol!!  I wonder if anyone has caught on to the fact that Quizzy is the Anders of their group.

Anders and Quizzy) Two glowing pervs creeping the hell out of Skyhold population

 

That was one of the funnies moment, because in that dialogue line you can't see the Inquisitor as anything but a dog with a bone. (target found!)

 

I also think that the whole flirting becomes more natural with him if initiated after you get to Skyhold.

 

 

*shrug* I hope they keep it this way honestly.

 

Yes my Quizzy can be a creeper but that's only if I mash each and every flirt. I picked a few key ones and was golden

Agree with you both) It's just that there are not too many dialogue with him prior to Skyhold in general.

Maybe I'm just beeing greedy

[Chernaya]

I do miss having a character who shows interest first. Not all of them of course, but just one making the first move was interesting and made it feel more organic. They could have kept that feature and just made the responses less rude for turning them down. I don't hate the way it is now, but for some romances it's like flirting with a brick wall the first 10 times and kinda makes you feel awkward and pushy. xD

[Thane4Ever]

I do miss having a character who shows interest first. Not all of them of course, but just one making the first move was interesting and made it feel more organic. They could have kept that feature and just made the responses less rude for turning them down. I don't hate the way it is now, but for some romances it's like flirting with a brick wall the first 10 times and kinda makes you feel awkward and pushy. xD

Blackwall flirts with you first even if you don't choose the first flirt option, so that's one.  Unless you're a male of course.  It's pretty clear the devs wanted females to romance Blackwall since they clearly invested more time in his story.

 

Part of the problem is that your advisors are not on an approval system, so if they were going to make Josephine or Cullen make the first move, it would be unrealistic from a role playing/immersion perspective if you were snide to them or made decisions they would hate.  

[Master Warder Z_]

I think there's a difference between showing interest and initiating a romance. The Inquisitor doesn't really initiate anything. They just prope until someone says, "Let's bang."

"Report to the ship immediately!"

[Mocksie]

This. I was trying to romance The Iron Bull with my male elf, and he just ruined it so many times he had my Inquisitor in tears, going up to Leliana's attic crying into her shoulder and asking her, "Am I ugly Leliana? Does everyone hate me? It's the hair isn't it?! Nobody wants meeeee!"

IB: ...they can give this place back to the damn elves.
Inq: What do you mean damn elves? =(

IB: ...and you have pointy ears and those big, freaky eyes...
Inq: Are... are they not pretty? ='(

IB (to Cassandra): Oh, yeah, you fightin' those dragons gurl. I bet you looked good doin' it gurl. Ngh.
Inq: Bull, we fought a dragon not 20 minutes ago. And I was hot! Though I guess you couldn't see me 1v1'ing her 'cause you were face-down unconscious in the dirt...

IB (about Dorian): Careful, it's always the pretty ones...
Inq: He never calls me pretty. *cries*

And one time I swear he asked my Inquisitor to pay him after sex!

Inq: What, this is like a job for you?
IB: Yep, and my rate's 500 gold per hour, so that's 1000 gold.
Inq: My life is a lie!

"Romance" XP

 

lol too true. I suppose Iron Bull is the Isabela of DA:I. I'm romancing him now on my elf rogue, and he pretty much rebuffs all of her flirting (Despite the fact they're having sex!) 

 

Granted, her lines with him ARE cringeworthy, but he just hardly reacts to them at all! I remember flirting with him at Skyhold and he just starts talking about all the other people he's having sex with instead of flirting back.

 

Not to mention, if you break up with him he's just like "yeah okay, whatever"

 

Nice to know you care Bull!

[Qunquistador]

How dare anyone be attracted to my PC without my express permission whatever will I do?

In all seriousness, I do miss the idea that the companions found something in my PC to catch their eye. Otherwise it's very much like hunting down that halla in the Exalted plains, herding your chosen LI up and flirting them into submission. It's not the best dynamic for a situation where the Inquisitor is already in a position of power over the NPC's.

I usually don't care about this sort of stuff, but the power dynamic is weird for me, too. In Haven it was cool because you're still a nobody. I flirted with pretty much everyone but Sera and mother Giselle in Haven for laughs. Once you become inquisitor/the maker's chosen, though, it felt sketchy. 

 

And I guess it depends on the romance, but there wasn't really anything inappropriate or suggestive in mine so I didn't feel like creepy boss sexually harassing a secretary or a scary huntress on the prowl. There were at least two moments where my quiz asks if her attention is unwanted. And there is a hint in the beginning that her LI is interested.

 

I think romanceable NPC of both genders should be able to express some interest depending on approval/positive and extended interaction. It takes one click to shoot them down if you're not interested. It's more realistic than it being a one way street.

[Hair Serious Business]

lol too true. I suppose Iron Bull is the Isabela of DA:I. I'm romancing him now on my elf rogue, and he pretty much rebuffs all of her flirting (Despite the fact they're having sex!) 

 

Granted, her lines with him ARE cringeworthy, but he just hardly reacts to them at all! I remember flirting with him at Skyhold and he just starts talking about all the other people he's having sex with instead of flirting back.

 

Not to mention, if you break up with him he's just like "yeah okay, whatever"

 

Nice to know you care Bull!

lol yeah he cares so much *huge sarcasm*

Hell he even says he finds Bianca hot for making weapons lol but nothing for my warrior Inquisitor that is woman who fights up front.Hell he even flirts with dragon O_________O!!!???Oh and once I romanced him as male I recall even after being together next time I clicked on him he said "Hey did you see that redhead in kitchen,do you think she is available?" you say this to me after I gave you tooth .____________________. ???????

Yeah nice to see you care Bull really nice to see you care >_>

[Hair Serious Business]

Wot.

 

Did I read that correctly.

 

You can flirt with Mother Giselle!?!?

Ask IB I hear he hangs around Chantry a lot!

[Sui Causa]

lol yeah he cares so much *huge sarcasm*

Hell he even says he finds Bianca hot for making weapons lol but nothing for my warrior Inquisitor that is woman who fights up front.Hell he even flirts with dragon O_________O!!!???Oh and once I romanced him as male I recall even after being together next time I clicked on him he said "Hey did you see that redhead in kitchen,do you think she is available?" you say this to me after I gave you tooth .____________________. ???????

Yeah nice to see you care Bull really nice to see you care >_>

I'm pretty sure that Bull talking about other people after your romance is a glitch on your end, he definitely halts all promiscuity once you've initiated a romance. He even makes it clear that as long as he's with you, you have his full attention. In the like...three playthroughs I've romanced him, he's never said things about the kitchen staff etc after he's been romanced.

 

That said, despite all the reasons he has for keeping your relationship quiet, I really do wish he'd hit on you more. There's like...one instance where he dirty talks you in banter, and that's not near enough! ;_;

[nightscrawl]

Really? That's... sad.

 

You have to consider how extremely tiresome it was for the devs to read about it in almost every single romance thread that appeared on the forums. That is not an exaggeration. I imagine that at some point it must have been like "FINE, no more NPC initiation! STFU about it already!"

 

I've also seen DG comment on separate occasions that it is tempting to not put in any romances just to avoid all this crap. I can't really blame him for feeling that way.

[Lady Artifice]

You have to consider how extremely tiresome it was for the devs to read about it in almost every single romance thread that appeared on the forums. That is not an exaggeration. I imagine that at some point it must have been like "FINE, no more NPC initiation! STFU about it already!"

 

I've also seen DG comment on separate occasions that it is tempting to not put in any romances just to avoid all this crap. I can't really blame him for feeling that way.

 

If I were them I probably wouldn't want to put up with it anymore either. 

 

Which makes me nervous. While I realize the romances aren't everything, they're something to me. They allow you to explore aspects of the character's personality you wouldn't get to see otherwise. If most of the fan base seems to act like whining brats about everything from the shape of a love interests nose to which demographic gets more/better options...why would they feel at all enthused about writing what we ask for?

[leaguer of one]

DA2 Anders...

 

Anders: Hey Hawke I wanna holla. Don't care about gender, class, or political stances. I just want some sex.

Hawke: I don't swing that way bro, but it's cool if you do.

Ander: **** you then you oppressive mage-hater!!

Funny, My male mage Hawke was never hit on by Anders and everyone whines about it.

[Shadow Quickpaw]

A small (and rather inconsequential) rebuttal: The first non-cutscene conversation you have with Cassandra has her going out of her way to ask about you. Though technically she does it to everybody...

 

To solve the Anders problem you can skip that conversation altogether in act 1 (or act 2, I can't remember) OR you can have flirted consistently with another romance option and the issue will never come up. So what do you do if you're not romancing anyone? Um... valid point.

 

Bioware video games have multiple possible scenarios for a lot of things, romance options included. I've been playing Baldur's Gate lately and I've noticed in a lot of the guides I've been reading (cause I'm a noob and need help) that the farther back in their library you go, the easier it is to do something unintentionally. Including locking in or out of a romance.

 

On the one hand: this is rather realistic and subtle. And a lot of gamers want this kind of thing back. On the other hand... It does take a bit of control away from the player (unless they know what they're doing), and a lot of gamers don't want that in their games. I think the only Bioware romance I can think of that indicates she WAS interested in the pc BEFORE s/he initiated "romance subplot 1d" is Tali. But it never comes up if you don't romance her.

 

And if she and Garrus remain single until the end of 3, they're in each other's pants. Immersion!

[nightscrawl]

If I were them I probably wouldn't want to put up with it anymore either. 
 
Which makes me nervous. While I realize the romances aren't everything, they're something to me. They allow you to explore aspects of the character's personality you wouldn't get to see otherwise. If most of the fan base seems to act like whining brats about everything from the shape of a love interests nose to which demographic gets more/better options...why would they feel at all enthused about writing what we ask for?

Oh well, I think they do enjoy writing the romances as an aspect of character creation and development. For example, while I do enjoy the friendship my fem Inquisitor has with Dorian, you do see an entirely different side of him during the romance, and the progression of the romance itself has a lot of character growth for Dorian. Being able to develop a character in a such a way has to be rewarding by itself. It's the final result getting into the hands of the players that is the potentially annoying part.

It seems to me that modern video games are unique in terms of consumer-creator relations. David Gaider has written three DA novels and developed those characters in the way he felt they should be developed as he was writing. While those got feedback on the forums about this or that character and such and such plot device it wasn't really the same level of discourse as writing the game results in. To compare, I would say that the feedback he got from the comics, since they contained characters we had all met in our games, was much closer to the game level of feedback. Because we are playing these games with our characters people absorb the game's content on a personal level and react accordingly, whether that be in a positive or negative manner.

[akagumo]

I like it better this way: it avoids controversy.

Exactly that!

 

 

I thought the flirt option in DAI is quite good, especially the fact you can do it to almost anyone. I guess to some respect that's similar to real life, you do that to certain friends and acquaintances and pull back when you know you reach the boundary (or keep going if that's what you fancy). It definitely felt more natural than previous DA and ME games.

 

So far I have only experienced Bull and Cassandra. I can see Bull would start flirting seeing he did that to Dorian if unromanced. The lack of lead up caught me by surprised when a rather abrupt scene in the bedroom queued in. This Inquisitor was flirting just as much with Josephine at the time and I probably would have been upset if I didn't have another character prep for her. As for Cassandra, well, she definitely enjoys the one sided flirtatious comment from Quizzy. I wish she would repay him when committed. 

 

 

It would be a nice touch if companions could start to flirt with you if you have reach a certain level of approval and/or flirts. A bit of cause and effect, then people can't complain they've been hit on by unwanted admirers.

[SardaukarElite]

You have to consider how extremely tiresome it was for the devs to read about it in almost every single romance thread that appeared on the forums. That is not an exaggeration. I imagine that at some point it must have been like "FINE, no more NPC initiation! STFU about it already!"

 

Start a thread saying something positive about the combat and see how far you get before people pile in to say it's dumbed down and nothing like Sun Tzu Simulator 2009 Origins.

 

No, I don't them blame if that's the reason, but it's still sad to see it go that way.

[ERINII]

I wouldn't mind it at all, actually it would be really cute if there was a character that always had a crush on the main character, regardless of gender. Alas, not everyone feels like that - I mean some people don't want any romance in their games at all.

 

I must admit, it would be fun to witness the riot that a flirting Dorian would cause among certain male gamers.

[Farangbaa]

I do miss having a character who shows interest first. Not all of them of course, but just one making the first move was interesting and made it feel more organic. They could have kept that feature and just made the responses less rude for turning them down. I don't hate the way it is now, but for some romances it's like flirting with a brick wall the first 10 times and kinda makes you feel awkward and pushy. xD

Try the Jack romance in ME2

[nightscrawl]

I wouldn't mind it at all, actually it would be really cute if there was a character that always had a crush on the main character, regardless of gender. Alas, not everyone feels like that - I mean some people don't want any romance in their games at all.

 

I must admit, it would be fun to witness the riot that a flirting Dorian would cause among certain male gamers.

 

To take this to a darker place, I saw someone suggest that Anders has an "unrequited love" for Hawke (if you don't romance him, obv) which I thought was an interesting way to look at it.

 

That could be an interesting dynamic to play with. On the other hand, people REALLY don't like feeling that they have been "ninjamanced," no matter who it is with, so I doubt this would go over well.

[Luckyanna]

 

To take this to a darker place, I saw someone suggest that Anders has an "unrequited love" for Hawke (if you don't romance him, obv) which I thought was an interesting way to look at it.

 

I thought this was a given. And that's the reason why he says your chosen LI is not good enough for you during his Act 3 companion quest.

[nightscrawl]

Oh come on, I thought being ninjamanced would make people feel flattered.

I mean, doesn't it give your character the good old ego boost?

No. This is the reason why I really appreciate the heart icons in both DA2 and DAI. You know exactly what your intent is when you click those options. I had no idea that talking to Leliana in the way I might talk to a close girlfriend would be considered by her to be suggestive, because it wasn't my intent when picking those lines.
 
I've seen people respond to such remarks by saying that you can't control how others react, and that is true. But you can control what you say if you know the intent of the line. To me it's just helpful information in deciding how my character will respond, not necessarily how the NPC will react. My fem Inquisitor can flirt with Dorian all day long and it isn't going anywhere, but the fact remains that I know I will say something flirty, regardless of what his response is.

I thought this was a given. And that's the reason why he says your chosen LI is not good enough for you during his Act 3 companion quest.

Lol it actually had never occurred to me until I read the suggestion, and then everything sort of fell into place.