Fiona is Alistair's mother? Didn't his mother die giving birth or something like that?
Seriously, do I really need to buy and read novels to understand the games? What kind of crappy story telling is this?
Alistair is indeed Fiona's son with Maric. Fiona's wish was that Alistair never learn his mother was an elf, so he was told another woman gave birth to him.
You do not need to buy the books. The fact that Fiona is Alistair's mother is totally irrelevant. It's just a bonus tidbit.
Serious answer:
During the Calling, Fiona wore an amulet (along with the other Wardens) to hide her from the notice of the darkspawn while traipsing through the Deep Roads. Unbeknownst to her, the amulet was created by the Architect and it accelerated the corruption in her body.
When Fiona realized what was happening, taking off the amulet reversed the effect; instead of the corruption continuing to spread, her body was completely cleansed of it.
That's ... really effing stupid. Normally I love the writing in this series but that's just ... ugh.
That's ... really effing stupid. Normally I love the writing in this series but that's just ... ugh.
Alistair is indeed Fiona's son with Maric. Fiona's wish was that Alistair never learn his mother was an elf, so he was told another woman gave birth to him.
You do not need to buy the books. The fact that Fiona is Alistair's mother is totally irrelevant. It's just a bonus tidbit.
That's not the point. You can't spread out your story over several mediums and then expect the player to feel the same about the characters in question. For example, I never read the DA novels, so I don't care about Celene and Briala or Michel. They are strangers to me in DA:I. And the game doesn't even try to introduce them to me properly because the writers seem to think they did that with the novels already.
Someone who read The Calling and The Masked Empire will treat the characters in the game differently than someone who did not. That makes for crappy story telling because you either annoy the readers with a repetition of what they already know or you assume the players are familiar with the story.
It's bad enough that some part of the lore and background story is explained via twitter and developer blogs but this ... this is seriously annoying me.
There's more to it than that. Taking the amulet off didn't reverse the effect. Fiona got hit with some projectile that Duncan deflected. I'd have to look back at the book to see the precise circumstances.
One would HOPE there's more to it than that because that's really dumb. I'd buy more into magical dragon essence than an amulet (and it's still kind of weak by itself). I really need to read the story, though, but Fiona comes across to me as a kind of Mary Sue and with the way she gets treated in DA:I it seems like they kind of knew it and decided to either let her go (because you will kill her if you side with the Templars) or, at least, reduce her impact.
The 'surprise your mother isn't really your mother' bit doesn't bug me, especially as it has zero impact on the story. I can see reasons for not letting Alistair know who his mother really was. What does bug me is there is obviously the HoF in parts looking for a cure to the Calling (I don't know if anybody is if the HoF is dead, I haven't bothered checking). Why travel far off to the west when they could have tracked Fiona down and talked to her? I mean, it's not -exactly- unknown that she was cured of the taint. Unless the HoF did already and found no real answers ... OR, they did and off to the West is where the Architect is now (if the Architect lived). At any rate, it seems a little odd.
Serious answer:
During the Calling, Fiona wore an amulet (along with the other Wardens) to hide her from the notice of the darkspawn while traipsing through the Deep Roads. Unbeknownst to her, the amulet was created by the Architect and it accelerated the corruption in her body.
When Fiona realized what was happening, taking off the amulet reversed the effect; instead of the corruption continuing to spread, her body was completely cleansed of it.
The architect maybe he knows how to cure the taint, that guy is a genius even if he have failed with the old god he is the only one who can cure this taint, the only one who have awakened the darkspawn, glad to have spared his life, for my warden i have prefered to have the option to follow him with Velanna and Utha and Seranni for a mysterious ending.
That's not the point. You can't spread out your story over several mediums and then expect the player to feel the same about the characters in question. For example, I never read the DA novels, so I don't care about Celene and Briala or Michel. They are strangers to me in DA:I. And the game doesn't even try to introduce them to me properly because the writers seem to think they did that with the novels already.
I don't really get how they're "not introduced properly." Their roles in the story are mentioned prior to the quest where you meet them. Celene is the Empress of Orlais and Gaspard is the noble vying for the throne. Briala isn't mentioned by name, but Josephine does reference a third group of elves that are drawing out the civil war. What more is needed?
Did not playing through the Dwarf Noble origin leave you incapable of deciding between Bhelen and Harrowmont?
^My conversation with Leliana regarding the HoF looking for a cure gave me the impression that while we, the audience know about the details surrounding the amulet, the people of Thedas (even Fiona) don't really understand what happened, and thus wouldn't be able to replicate it. The conversation was basically along the lines of "We know it can be done. Fiona and Avernus prove it can be. We just need to know how, exactly." I imagine if Fiona knew the exact details, she'd be telling the whole Order and a few other Wardens would be walking around cured, by now.
Dragon's are resistant the taint, Maric has dragon blood in him, Fiona was carrying Alistair (who has dragon blood due to his father) in her for months.
It's possible that her carrying Alistair cured her of the taint
I don't really get how they're "not introduced properly." Their roles in the story are mentioned prior to the quest where you meet them. Celene is the Empress of Orlais and Gaspard is the noble vying for the throne. Briala isn't mentioned by name, but Josephine does reference a third group of elves that are drawing out the civil war. What more is needed?
Did not playing through the Dwarf Noble origin leave you incapable of deciding between Bhelen and Harrowmont?
You just answered yourself. You can talk to all of Orzammar about Bhelen and Harrowmont. You have time, you work for them and you see how they work. That's an introduction, it tells you a lot about their characters even if you aren't a dwarf yourself.
Nothing like that happens with Celene, Briala or Gaspard. Even the civil war is only mentioned, despite the Inquisitor running around on the Exalted Plains. I think I helped some soldiers with the demons but don't ask me what side they were on.
What more is needed? Well, how about -anything- that would allow me to form an opinion about them? You meet each for a few minutes. Should I make Gaspard king because he says he hates the Game? Should I allow Briala access to the throne because Leliana tells me she used to be Celene's lover? Should I support Celene because she's the rightful queen? That's basically all I know about them. Oh, I am sure there are probably some more info tidbits somewhere in the palace but you don't exactly have time to explore it, do you?
Dragon's are resistant the taint, Maric has dragon blood in him, Fiona was carrying Alistair (who has dragon blood due to his father) in her for months.
It's possible that her carrying Alistair cured her of the taint
Dragon are resistant to the blight? and why it seems that the archedemons the majestic male dragons are only servant to their own taint.
I don't really get how they're "not introduced properly." Their roles in the story are mentioned prior to the quest where you meet them. Celene is the Empress of Orlais and Gaspard is the noble vying for the throne. Briala isn't mentioned by name, but Josephine does reference a third group of elves that are drawing out the civil war. What more is needed?
Did not playing through the Dwarf Noble origin leave you incapable of deciding between Bhelen and Harrowmont?
I do not read the books and I had no idea what kind of people Celene, Gaspard or Briala were despite talking to everyone I could about them. That part of the quest line was flat to me because I did not care about any of them or support any of them because I had no idea who they really were. Now, in Origins I did get a clear understanding of who Bhelen and Harrowmont were if I followed all the dialogue. When it came to the WInter Palace I was just "eh lets just put anyone on the throne because they seem the same to me."
I don't really get how they're "not introduced properly." Their roles in the story are mentioned prior to the quest where you meet them. Celene is the Empress of Orlais and Gaspard is the noble vying for the throne. Briala isn't mentioned by name, but Josephine does reference a third group of elves that are drawing out the civil war. What more is needed?
Did not playing through the Dwarf Noble origin leave you incapable of deciding between Bhelen and Harrowmont?
Here's the impression I got of Bhelen and Harrowmont upon arriving at Orzammar:
Harrowmont=Obviously good candidate
Bhelen=Obviously evil candidate
Only after I finished the game did I learn that Harrowmont was the traditionalist who would hold Orzammar back and Bhelen was the (admittedly tyrannical) reformist who pushed for greater freedoms and more trade with the surface.
I've visited every corner of that city. There is exactly one dwarf who sort of hints at Bhelen's more progressive agenda, and he's kind of a ****** himself.
I have to admit that this feels different. I clearly remember that the differences between Bhelen and Harrowmont were pretty clear to me when I was playing Origin, even as a non-dwarf. I didn't feel the same clarity about Gaspard, while Briala gets introduced better. Same thing for Fiona. She speaks about Alistair in a way that made me expect for a follow-up of some sort, a confession, a revelation, something, while it was just a boon for those who knew about the book. It felt... incomplete, if you know what I mean.
I agree. They do the same thing with Cole. If you read Asunder, some of the dialogues in game are like ohhhh but if you haven't it is nonsensical.
Here's the impression I got of Bhelen and Harrowmont upon arriving at Orzammar:
Harrowmont=Obviously good candidate
Bhelen=Obviously evil candidate
Only after I finished the game did I learn that Harrowmont was the traditionalist who would hold Orzammar back and Bhelen was the (admittedly tyrannical) reformist who pushed for greater freedoms and more trade with the surface.
I've visited every corner of that city. There is exactly one dwarf who sort of hints at Bhelen's more progressive agenda, and he's kind of a ****** himself.
From what I remember, It had to do with the blight magic the architect used. He had the first enchanter to give the wardens amulets that were to protect them from darkspawn sensing them. The amulets actually sped up the blight. Duncan had a stolen dagger that actually protected him from the effects so he never suffered from it (the speeding up of blight).
At the end the amulets were destroyed and the effects went away, only in her case as the effects reversed it purged her entirely. Duncan was not cured because of the dagger he had protected him from the magic in the amulet from the beginning. They were not able to recreate it as no one understands the blight magic that the architect used.
That is what I remember anyway.
From what I remember, It had to do with the blight magic the architect used. He had the first enchanter to give the wardens amulets that were to protect them from darkspawn sensing them. The amulets actually sped up the blight. Duncan had a stolen dagger that actually protected him from the effects so he never suffered from it (the speeding up of blight).
At the end the amulets were destroyed and the effects went away, only in her case as the effects reversed it purged her entirely. Duncan was not cured because of the dagger he had protected him from the magic in the amulet from the beginning. They were not able to recreate it as no one understands the blight magic that the architect used.
That is what I remember anyway.
I always postulated it also had something to do with her pregnancy.
Scotch tape, there's nothing scotch tape cannot fix, including Darkspawn taint.
Maric's dragon ****** maybe?
EDIT: ok censors, one of these has to be okay:
Baby gravy
Pearl jam
Love custard
Wiener yogurt
Daddy sauce
"Honey mustard"
spunk
And I am now done using honey mustard ever again. Well played, sir.
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Damn, all I know is I want whatever supplements Maric was taking.
Yes. Golden Boy's mom is Queen of the Snowflakes.
Considering she loses every title ever and can be killed mercilessly pretty early in the game, I think she's lost any potential claim to Mary-Sue'ness.
Well, let's look at the silver lining here:
1. She's healed and survived her Deep Road expedition and get pregnant in the process, giving us Alistair, probably one of the most well-liked DA characters.
2. She's surviving back then allows us to smack her down silly in DA:I in Templar Route or "**** off you're under me now" in Conscripting Mage route. So it's kind of nice.
SO. For grey wardens to be cured, their females must must have sex with Alistair, or any reaver?...
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