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[Ogillardetta]

SO. For grey wardens to be cured, their females must must have sex with Alistair, or any reaver?...

Sounds legit.

[hong]

SO. For grey wardens to be cured, their females must must have sex with Alistair, or any reaver?...

[Feranel]

Short answer? No.

 

Long answer? Nooooooooo.

 

She just turns up in the final pages, baby in her arms, cured of the taint.

 

As many mothers, midwives, delivery specialists, and OB/GYN's will tell you, having a baby does have the ability to cause your taint to cease to exist.

 

I'll leave now.

[Shelidon]

SO. For grey wardens to be cured, their females must must have sex with Alistair, or any reaver?...

Great. So my Hero of Ferelden was not a Grey Warden anymore by the time she reached the battle of Denerim. And she died of... heart attack, presumably, while stabbing an archdemon that committed suicide out of courtesy? Geez...

[Biotic Flash Kick]

SHE MASTERED HER TAINT

[EvilChani]

That's not the point. You can't spread out your story over several mediums and then expect the player to feel the same about the characters in question. For example, I never read the DA novels, so I don't care about Celene and Briala or Michel. They are strangers to me in DA:I. And the game doesn't even try to introduce them to me properly because the writers seem to think they did that with the novels already.

 

Someone who read The Calling and The Masked Empire will treat the characters in the game differently than someone who did not. That makes for crappy story telling because you either annoy the readers with a repetition of what they already know or you assume the players are familiar with the story.

 

It's bad enough that some part of the lore and background story is explained via twitter and developer blogs but this ... this is seriously annoying me.

 

I hate BioWare's trend of making a canon universe for games with their stupid novels. That ruins the entire idea of the RPG, IMO. It's like they're soaking you for money then throwing it in your face that, should you not play the game the way they think you should, you're wrong and your choices will be ignored (case in point: though I never killed Lelliana, other people have but she's magically alive in later games). I've never read a DA book or an ME book, and I will not do it in the future. Make the game and leave it the hell alone. If they insist on writing books related to the universe than write histories for the companions and various random NPCs, but leave the game story the hell alone.

[Lord Raijin]

I think she found the spirit of Chuck Norris inside the fade. She did a Anders/Justice thing by letting the Spirit of Chuck Norris to possess her thus defeating the taint all together. That is how she cured herself.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Serious answer:

 

During the Calling, Fiona wore an amulet (along with the other Wardens) to hide her from the notice of the darkspawn while traipsing through the Deep Roads. Unbeknownst to her, the amulet was created by the Architect and it accelerated the corruption in her body.

 

When Fiona realized what was happening, taking off the amulet reversed the effect; instead of the corruption continuing to spread, her body was completely cleansed of it.

 

Doesn't explain Utha though, she was degenerating but in Awakening, though the taint was obvious, her hair has regrown? Conflicting.

[QweenBeen]

Okay Book Bashers! Since when have die hard fans of anything only been happy with one medium to have a story told to them?! If you love the lore and the world, BioWare is assuming you'll read whatever they put out on it. If you're not a die hard fan do you REALLY even care if Fiona is Alistair's mom or that Celene demolished Halamshiral by using Briala? Do you care that Ferelden was once ruled by the Orlesians prior to the events of DAO since it impacts the plot of DAO in zero ways?

BioWare is giving people the option of how much emersion you personally want. Read every codex, read every novel, read every comic if you want, but you get what you need from the game for the purposes of that game's storyline. Don't get pissed at BioWare for not adding 5 novels worth of content into the game.

It's clear the writers of BioWare love their world, their lore and their characters. Let them show the fans just how much in whatever medium they choose, and respect them for their dedication.

I'd be royally pissed if they fed us a beautiful universe and said "okay, thanks for your money, see ya next game!" It's like...Tolkien just writting the hobbit and peacing out.

So after that rant, stop bashing other mediums that add to the awesomeness of this series. Show some respect and crack open a book!

[Kai-Sar Adaar]

On a side-note, is The Calling actually good? I tried to read Stolen Throne but the poor writing style just kept grating on me.

[QweenBeen]

On a side-note, is The Calling actually good? I tried to read Stolen Throne but the poor writing style just kept grating on me.

Okay I've calmed down now stolen throne and the calling are both written by david gaider, so his style in the calling is similar. I liked asunder the best, also gaider, but if you like cole, it's his story there

[DaemionMoadrin]

Okay Book Bashers! Since when have die hard fans of anything only been happy with one medium to have a story told to them?! If you love the lore and the world, BioWare is assuming you'll read whatever they put out on it. If you're not a die hard fan do you REALLY even care if Fiona is Alistair's mom or that Celene demolished Halamshiral by using Briala? Do you care that Ferelden was once ruled by the Orlesians prior to the events of DAO since it impacts the plot of DAO in zero ways?

BioWare is giving people the option of how much emersion you personally want. Read every codex, read every novel, read every comic if you want, but you get what you need from the game for the purposes of that game's storyline. Don't get pissed at BioWare for not adding 5 novels worth of content into the game.

It's clear the writers of BioWare love their world, their lore and their characters. Let them show the fans just how much in whatever medium they choose, and respect them for their dedication.

I'd be royally pissed if they fed us a beautiful universe and said "okay, thanks for your money, see ya next game!" It's like...Tolkien just writting the hobbit and peacing out.

So after that rant, stop bashing other mediums that add to the awesomeness of this series. Show some respect and crack open a book!

 

You missed the point. No one is bashing the books. At all. So keep your attitude in check, k?

 

It is obvious that the writers relied on us having prior knowledge about certain characters in the game. Knowledge that can not obtained in the game itself.

Of course you wouldn't notice that if you read the books.

 

Compare Celene vs. Gaspard with Bhelen vs. Harrowmont. Compare the information about them available in the game. Compare the time spent with each. And then ask yourself if the few minutes you have in DA:I can compare to the time you had in DA:O.

 

From the little bit that I saw ingame I can not make an informed decision about who should rule Orlais. I might as well be using dice.

 

Fiona asking about Alistair is such a nonsense moment for the player, because in the game there is absolutely nothing connecting the two.

 

Cole on the other hand was introduced properly and he told about his past. That's an example where it was handled properly. Where we had time to get to know him.

 

Btw... Ferelden being ruled by Orlais is mentioned several times in DA:O, starting in Ostagar with Loghain himself. It's a vital fact that plays a huge role in his decision to let Cailan die and abandon the wardens. Even if you somehow manage to miss that, it comes up several times over the course of the game.

 

I do not mind that there are DA books. If I had the time, I'd probably read them. But seeing that I've got an evergrowing heap of novels glowering at me angrily for almost 2 years now, chances are I won't get around to it in the near future. Perhaps I could take time off from work to read books, hm?

 

The problem here is that the writers share stuff on social media, in the forum, in their blogs, in the novels, in comics and maker knows where else... and then assume the player is familiar with all that. It colors their perception when they write for the game. They don't feel like they need to explain those things anymore.

 

I am sorry but I do not have the time to hunt for stuff like that when I barely have the time to play the game. Or should I be punished for not having the time or motivation to read novels that I didn't know even existed until a few days ago?

[Biotic Flash Kick]

duncan said you had to master your taint

 

fiona is the first and only 

[QweenBeen]

You missed the point. No one is bashing the books. At all. So keep your attitude in check, k?

It is obvious that the writers relied on us having prior knowledge about certain characters in the game. Knowledge that can not obtained in the game itself.
Of course you wouldn't notice that if you read the books.

Compare Celene vs. Gaspard with Bhelen vs. Harrowmont. Compare the information about them available in the game. Compare the time spent with each. And then ask yourself if the few minutes you have in DA:I can compare to the time you had in DA:O.

From the little bit that I saw ingame I can not make an informed decision about who should rule Orlais. I might as well be using dice.

Fiona asking about Alistair is such a nonsense moment for the player, because in the game there is absolutely nothing connecting the two.

Cole on the other hand was introduced properly and he told about his past. That's an example where it was handled properly. Where we had time to get to know him.

Btw... Ferelden being ruled by Orlais is mentioned several times in DA:O, starting in Ostagar with Loghain himself. It's a vital fact that plays a huge role in his decision to let Cailan die and abandon the wardens. Even if you somehow manage to miss that, it comes up several times over the course of the game.

I do not mind that there are DA books. If I had the time, I'd probably read them. But seeing that I've got an evergrowing heap of novels glowering at me angrily for almost 2 years now, chances are I won't get around to it in the near future. Perhaps I could take time off from work to read books, hm?

The problem here is that the writers share stuff on social media, in the forum, in their blogs, in the novels, in comics and maker knows where else... and then assume the player is familiar with all that. It colors their perception when they write for the game. They don't feel like they need to explain those things anymore.

I am sorry but I do not have the time to hunt for stuff like that when I barely have the time to play the game. Or should I be punished for not having the time or motivation to read novels that I didn't know even existed until a few days ago?

Just to get this out of the way, I'm aware that orlais ruling fereleden has a major impact on Loghain's emotions, as it should, but your choices to end the blight do not pertain to it.

And I'm not saying that you have to read the books or you suck. That's far from it, and I respect people have things they need to do, like live. I work and have a son and squeeze this stuff in during wee morning hours.

I honestly don't think you're being punished and I don't think BioWare is trying to punish you for not reading it. I apologize if that's how it came across. I think they're trying to strike a precarious balance between too much lore and too little, and they can't possibly make everyone happy.

I read a few posts that implied that creating lore outside the game was a rip off, but my point is you can take it or leave it, it's there for you to enjoy if you want to learn more about it, but don't blame the game writers for trying to fill in the holes for themselves as much as for us. They can't possibly know who has and hasn't read all theit other stuff. And DAI was positioned as a game that could introduce you to the world. If something piques your interest enough during the game, they assume people will back track into the books.

Out of curiousity, now that you do know about these books, would you read them?

PS audio books do wonders for catching up. Saved me when I was getting my masters while working

[hong]

You missed the point. No one is bashing the books. At all. So keep your attitude in check, k?
 
It is obvious that the writers relied on us having prior knowledge about certain characters in the game. Knowledge that can not obtained in the game itself.
Of course you wouldn't notice that if you read the books.

If you don't notice anything is missing, then it is obvious that whatever was missing is not necessary.
 

Compare Celene vs. Gaspard with Bhelen vs. Harrowmont. Compare the information about them available in the game. Compare the time spent with each. And then ask yourself if the few minutes you have in DA:I can compare to the time you had in DA:O.

It can't. And that is a good thing. You spent an inordinate amount of time in Orzammar on what was essentially a secondary issue.
 

From the little bit that I saw ingame I can not make an informed decision about who should rule Orlais. I might as well be using dice.

Oh don't be ridiculous. I played the game without having read the books (I've never bought any merchandise relating to Bioware games) and I was perfectly able to make up my mind. If you can't do the same, that is because you have a problem with paralysis by analysis.
 

Fiona asking about Alistair is such a nonsense moment for the player, because in the game there is absolutely nothing connecting the two.

Which is fine, since their relationship has absolutely no impact on anything else that happens.
 

I am sorry but I do not have the time to hunt for stuff like that when I barely have the time to play the game.

So don't hunt it down.
 

Or should I be punished for not having the time or motivation to read novels that I didn't know even existed until a few days ago?

You are not being "punished", unless you mean the same thing as gamers tend to mean when they say they got slapped in the face, viz. nothing at all.

[DaemionMoadrin]

If you don't notice anything is missing, then it is obvious that whatever was missing is not necessary.
 

 

Argument fail. Are you doing this on purpose?

 

I, as a player who hasn't read the novels, clearly miss important information that would tell me more about the NPCs in question.

A player who has read the novels won't even notice that something is missing because they know the NPCs already and don't require the information.

 

The rest of your post is more of your usual obtuse and ridiculous misinterpretation, so I'm not going to waste my time on it.

[hong]

Argument fail. Are you doing this on purpose?

I do everything on purpose.
 

I, as a player who hasn't read the novels, clearly miss important information that would tell me more about the NPCs in question.

How very strange. As a player who hasn't read the novels, I didn't miss any important information that was necessary for the decision at hand.

A player who has read the novels won't even notice that something is missing because they know the NPCs already and don't require the information.

Not quite. A player who has read the novels will notice that the characters are not acting precisely in accordance with the internal representation they have created in their minds, and will be thrown off by this. As such, it is better not to spend time reading the novels, if one is the type of player who requires complete, consistent and comprehensive information before coming to a decision.
 

The rest of your post is more of your usual obtuse and ridiculous misinterpretation, so I'm not going to waste my time on it.

That's what they all say.

[AzureAardvark]

Not quite. A player who has read the novels will notice that the characters are not acting precisely in accordance with the internal representation they have created in their minds, and will be thrown off by this. As such, it is better not to spend time reading the novels, if one is the type of player who requires complete, consistent and comprehensive information before coming to a decision.

 In other words (you beautiful wordy bastard!)

 

 

 

I hate BioWare's trend of making a canon universe for games with their stupid novels. 

 

Oh, it gets even better; there's an interview somewhere in which DG says they're not going commit to in-game canon either; dishonest narrators for everybodies! Yay! >.<

 

It's turtles all the way down.

[The Mistress]

Great. So my Hero of Ferelden was not a Grey Warden anymore by the time she reached the battle of Denerim. And she died of... heart attack, presumably, while stabbing an archdemon that committed suicide out of courtesy? Geez...

 

I would assume it'd have something to do with being pregnant and then giving birth to a baby while having the Taint. They have already said that Grey Wardens have a terrible, terrible time with reproducing, as the Taint messes with that. (That's why having an Alistair/Fem!Cousland on the throne is not ideal when thinking of things like the Theirin line - the chances of having a child between two Grey Wardens would be thought to be almost zero.)

[Shelidon]

Argument fail. Are you doing this on purpose?

Don't feed the troll, my friend.
The argument is, of course, completely invalid.
How do you realize that pages are missing from a book if you never read it before? You notice because the narrative feels incomplete. This is what happens with Fiona in DA:I.
The additional example of Celene/Briala/Gaspard depicts the same problem in a different shade: the narrative there seems a little shallow, and it's a pity if you tell me that there are some good stories told elsewhere about them. Novels should be integrative, not substitutive of the main medium.

[Obadiah]

Aside from the fact that she was cured by one of the Archie's artifacts... this makes more sense than it sounds. Frederick Serault uncovers evidence in Nevarra that the Blight and Draconic physiology are like oil and water.

Oh I like this idea. Does it mean that Reavers are immune from the Blight? Was the Ferelden Hero Reaver secretly cured of the Blight Calling, but is now subject to a Dragon Calling?
 

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A player who has read the novels won't even notice that something is missing because they know the NPCs already and don't require the information.
...

I'll have to disagree with this. I read the novels after playing DAI, and I don't feel that there was any information missing from the game that was in the novels. Certainly, the novel gives a more in depth and personal perspective on the events leading up to the civil war in Orlais, but they aren't crucial to the Inquisitor's decision, and I wouldn't expect the Inquisitor, and outsider, to know most of that stuff anyway.

The novel does make the resolution to Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts seem even more shallow on reflection than it originally felt. Finding and stealing Halla statues in plain view of everyone? Really?

But the novels also turns many of the encounters, maybe even the whole game, into interesting epilogues or addendums to those stories.

[nicolchristopher]

Maybe she got cured because of the dragon blood in Maric (which affected her when she got pregnant with Alistair).

I always thought she was cured after she got pregnant but I totally forgot about dragon blood in Therins. It can be the answer. I think now Architect can cure the taint (even if Hero of Ferelden killed him, he can have the same ability like Cory so he probably isn't dead). He studied taint for many years.

[Aren]

Anyway serious answer the Architect's Amulet combined with the dragon blood had  cured fiona. the Amulet effect is to manipulate  the flow of the blood , the architect had created this item only to  accelerate the progress of the taint  into a warden's body,  However in Fiona the amulet have increased the   flow of the Dragon's blood instead . The architect as usual  had tried with an experiment but with the opposite result, i dont know if that guy is a genius or a moron.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

MASTUR TEH TAINT

[Daerog]

Doesn't explain Utha though, she was degenerating but in Awakening, though the taint was obvious, her hair has regrown? Conflicting.

 

Utha was not degenerating. She went beyond her Calling into what a Grey Warden would become if they continued to live and didn't go crazy from the Calling. She became a mix of dwarf and darkspawn thing, she didn't become a ghoul. 

 

I just assume the hair growth was a mistake, or the developers just didn't care, like her wearing heavy armor with a weapon and shield, even though she wasn't trained that way.

 

 

 

As for Fiona, who knows? Only GW survivors from The Calling novel were her and Duncan, and Duncan had that enchanted dagger that repelled the blight and it negated his pendant thing. Fiona's accelerated taint pendant wasn't countered, she didn't accept Archie's offer like Utha did, and she didn't die, so maybe the pendant had some side affects which resulted in the taint falling apart in a person after a while... or something... 

 

 

 

As for dragons and the taint... I'm a bit confused. Okay, maybe dragon blood is resistant to the taint or something, but what about dragon thralls (like in Awakening) and Cory's Red Lyrium Dragon? Maybe the red lyrium helped, but it is still tainted, and maybe the dragon thralls had stuff done to them to make the taint set in or whatever.