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[RenAdaar]

My inquisitor is all ways like lol nah 

[Korva]

No, don't get me wrong. I think there were some wonderful personalities. They aren't explored too much and lack a lot of depth, but I was entertained by them to an extent. The problem is they don't see you as a person. They will never see you as a person.

 

Again, I disagree. Sure, there's the element of being an icon of hope and possibly religious sentiment, but I still felt that the companions (at least the ones I like) try to balance that with genuine friendship for my character as a person. Mind, I actually like that "conflict". It's more interesting to me than just a generic "meet random yokel, become besties just because" and I wish that they'd explored it more, on both sides of the equation -- including the option to express frustration and lonelines if we feel those around us are too distant, as well as companions being far more vocal about decisions they dislike.

 

But, as I said, while Bioware may have improved other aspects of their writing, they're still painfully bad at having actual two-way relationships instead of "needy NPC/therapist protagonist". Maybe that is what makes your impression of being a non-person to the companions worse? I definitely get frustrated over and over in these games when hardly anyone ever comes up to my character to ask if she's doing okay -- especially when the companions are happy to do that for each other, actually sharing and bonding and asking and comforting in ways that the writers never allow them to do with us. That is in no small part due to the NPCs being defined by and known to the writers, so PC/NPC banter will never be able to be or feel as personal as NPC/NPC banter. Still, it's frustrating when the writers don't even seem to try. As much as I loved listening to my companions, I did feel rather ... left out, at times.

[Big I]

If you reject being the Herald, you'll get future dialogue choices that reflect that. For instance, when they make you Inquisitior you can say the Inquisition is about order, not faith; when you find out

Spoiler

it was the Divine that saved you, not Andraste, and you got the Anchor by accident

you can say that's what you believed all along. Other people (Giselle, Cassandra, etc) will recognise and comment on the fact that you don't think you're a "Chosen One".

 

If you accept being the Herald, you get special Herald only conversation options. For instance, when judging the Grey Warden Ser Ruth you can say "Andraste forgives you", and you then get a war table mission where Ser Ruth goes on to become a missionary.

 

This part is conjecture; I think there are war table missions that only trigger if your Inquisition is "faithful". For instance, I upgraded the Skyhold Garden to a Chantry one, which is supposed to unlock missions, but I believe because my "faith rating" was too low they didn't trigger. I think they're supposed to be things like tithing the faithful, inteceding between the Chantry and the University of Orlais, things like that.

[Korva]

The Chantry garden has to be bugged. Never heard of anyone who got anything out of it.

[Kulyok]

The very first lines of DAO say "The Chantry teaches us that it was the hubris of men that got darkspawn into this world." Magisters went to the Fade physically to see or to seize the Golden City(which certainly was prideful and maybe more than a little ill-considered), and what did the Maker do, according to the Chantry? Released the darkspawn on EVERYONE. Millions of dwarves(who never believed in the Maker at all) killed, humans, elves, everyone.

 

And the Chantry still believes that. And it does not fault the Maker - it faults the magisters.

 

Honestly, while it supports this logic, I'd rather have nothing to do with it, unless the game forces me, and until the next games explain what really happened and the Chantry reconsiders its stance(though that Bride of the Maker stuff with cheating her husband doesn't seem great to me, either). Genocide = bad, bad Maker.

[Kinsz]

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I believe , Dorian , Varric, Cullen  and Cassandra ask you about how you're handling being the Inquisitor, they show concern even , Blackwall to some extent as well.

[Kappa Neko]

The whole point of the Herald of Andraste is that people are going to believe what they want to believe. It's pretty realistic too. A slightly humorous but IMO apt interpretation of legends, saviors and gods.
They are all just stories. Real people and events blown out of proportions because people need heroes and gods to believe in. It doesn't really matter what really happened as long as people have hope.

The Herald storyline connects perfectly with the whole thing about the elven misinterpretation of their own history and mythology. The only ones who know what actually happened are those who were there. Solas was there , he knows and he's also the one who doesn't see gods as paragons of virtue. They might not be real gods but regular elves who happened to rise to power, just like the herald. They were as flawed as everyone else.
History distorts facts, glorifies. Nostalgia does the same. The circumstances are forgotten and what remains has little to do with what went really down sometimes. Add religion to the mix and suddenly rebels of social wrongs become traitors of gods and ordinary people become the messiah...
Of course we still don't know exactly what's up with the elves because we still rely mostly on those legends of golden cities and immortal gods

My first inquisitor did not believe in being special and said so to her companions. But later came to understand that Blackwall was right and people need saviors. So she told the public what they wanted to hear. No harm done in that. Believing it yourself is what's dangerous. Nobody should believe they are chosen. Dragon Age is chucking full of such deluded villains.
Once things are over you may wonder if so much luck was coincidence. But you will never know, you cannot know. And you better not waste time contemplating it. Just be ready when people need you. Don't do anything for your own glory, do it for everyone else. Heroes are not the ones who wage righteous wars. Heroes are people who help those in need without a reward. Never follow blindly, especially not somebody who claims to be a god! Cassandra embodies this very ideal of humble altruism.

[Computron2000]

My first inquisitor did not believe in being special and said so to her companions. But later came to understand that Blackwall was right and people need saviors. So she told the public what they wanted to hear. No harm done in that. Believing it yourself is what's dangerous. Nobody should believe they are chosen. Dragon Age is chucking full of such deluded villains.

 

It may not be harmful in the beginning but when fanatics start believing what you say (using the brilliant logic of "how could you not be the herald of andraste when you yourself admitted it") and start doing "things" to

i) gain your favor (speaker anais is most lol)

ii) emulate your actions (or what they think you would do)

 

Obviously what you did to the templars, mages and wardens that they heard third hand, fourth hand, fifteenth hand, etc must be done to EVERY templar, mage and warden. It is what the maker wants as it is what you did. The worst is when you die/runaway/hide, then the real fun starts where OBVIOUSLY this or that man/woman is a prophet of the herald of andraste.

 

What, Cassandra chained you? She must be pulled down as divine for she is "blind and cannot see the truth that is obvious" to prophet X. Take it a step further and it becomes "the chantry is evil, led by the blind and corrupt and must be destroyed".

 

Lots of actions taken in game that can be scrutinized publicly (ironbull's choice, templars, mages, wardens, etc) can easily be used as the truth of the maker or whatever excuse

[Obb42]

At the start Coraline Trevelyan wasn't too pleased with the idea of being Herald, but after witnessing the faith of everyone who did believe in her she sorta started believing it herself. When addressing the Templars at Therinfal she turned around, saw the Breach and thought that maybe she was chosen after all. This is what convinced her to start screaming, "I AM THE WILL OF OUR LADY MANIFEST" at the assembled Templars. They seemed to take it well.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think if you accept the Herald of Andraste title and encourage it, you actually get some additional options in future judgements, which play off your status as a living messiah and religious icon.

 

For example, when judging Ser Ruth of the Wardens, you can choose to religiously forgive her sins, and she ends up becoming a Chantry sister.

[Anvos]

Personally my main Tevelyn inquisitor went with the I believe in the Maker but I'm not he Herald route as I tend to favor the Tevintar version that the maker exists but Andraste was actually an apostate abomination (also some things we find out in this game seem to further support that as possible).

[TheTsar_]

I say yes regardless of my personal opinion, as like Josephine says, in a time of struggle it gives the Inquisition and the Herald a common ground with people, and more importantly, hope.