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I am a man. I am also human.

But I have played as women, spirits, and machines. I have played as Dwarfs, Elves, Qunari, Werewolves, Krogan, Vampires, Hobbits...the list goes on.

 

I've even played as a bread :D

 

Seriously, people should be or play whatever they feel like to. It's their lives, not anyone else's.

 

If they don't harm anyone by doing it, they already have more moral rights to do so than any retarded islamic terrorist.



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Can't speak for transgendered folk but if the option was available in the next DA game either as a PC or as a LI I would be tempted to try it out. I enjoyed Krem and I'd be all for seeing more people like him in future DA games.

 

You've still got plenty of arse left chief! :P

 

I might be tempted as well.  I could see myself playing my sole female playthrough as a lesbian transwoman.  That might be really interesting, to be honest.



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I'm sure it just depends on the specific trans person and how they want to be represented in the game. I would also think that it would be ideal to play as the gender you identify as since this game format is the perfect medium for it. But other players might feel that part of their identity comes from the struggle they've gone through and might want to have that represented as well.

 

Also, the inclusion of the option, even if not taken, is important. It's the same with the relationship aspect of these games. A real life gay person may have no interest in romancing the followers of the same gender as presented in the game. Maybe they just don't like them for whatever reason. But the inclusion of the option for that person, and all players, is meaningful.

Hmm, yes. I wondered that, too. That perhaps trans people would want their real life struggles represented in a meaningful way in game. But then I think, well, women are/were an oppressed group.... and Bioware hasn't made any fuss about representing their struggles in the game... nor would I want them to, honestly. I just want to be a powerful, ass-kicking warrior, and no one better bring up my gender being an issue or heads will roll. I'd find it annoying if some arsehole npc keeps giving me grief for being a woman. So would a trans player not be similarly pissed if their trans identity become an issue in the game?

 

I agree that the inclusion of options is important. It sends a powerful message, and it means a lot to people who don't normally get much consideration. 



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Hmm, yes. I wondered that, too. That perhaps trans people would want their real life struggles represented in a meaningful way in game. But then I think, well, women are/were an oppressed group.... and Bioware hasn't made any fuss about representing their struggles in the game... nor would I want them to, honestly. I just want to be a powerful, ass-kicking warrior, and no one better bring up my gender being an issue or heads will roll. I'd find it annoying if some arsehole npc keeps giving me grief for being a woman. So would a trans player not be similarly pissed if their trans identity become an issue in the game?

 

I agree that the inclusion of options is important. It sends a powerful message, and it means a lot to people who don't normally get much consideration. 

 

Are you familiar with Mount & Blade: Warband? It's a game where you start off as a nobody in a medieval setting who is free to be whatever it is you like. Trader, fight for a country, be a mercenary, even become queen/king. I downloaded a mod for it sometime ago in which, if your character is female, locks certain options (like becoming the owner of a fief through asking the king/queen of the country to make it so, you may become that by other means at any point regardless of gender) until you acquire a certain amount of "Renown" (more than men would need to collect based on the notion that it was, historically, quite odd to give away land to a woman) that proves your valour regardless of what gender your character is. How does that sound to you?



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Are you familiar with Mount & Blade: Warband? It's a game where you start off as a nobody in a medieval setting who is free to be whatever it is you like. Trader, fight for a country, be a mercenary, even become queen/king. I downloaded a mod for it sometime ago in which, if your character is female, locks certain options (like becoming the owner of a fief through asking the king/queen of the country to make it so, you may become that by other means at any point regardless of gender) until you acquire a certain amount of "Renown" (more than men would need to collect based on the notion that it was, historically, quite odd to give away land to a woman) that proves your valour regardless of what gender your character is. How does that sound to you?

Oh, I... I think I like that, actually. Playing as an underdog character, looked down on or dismissed because of aspects of yourself you can't help... and then overcoming those obstacles to achieve your goals... even if it means having to work twice as hard as someone else... I wouldn't mind that at all. That kind of game/story is totally my thing. It's why I played as an alienage elf in DAO, and a Dalish elf mage in DAI. I love having the odds stacked against me, if only so I could knock those down one by one. I'd say the type of game you're describing is quite appealing.  



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Oh, I... I think I like that, actually. Playing as an underdog character, looked down on or dismissed because of aspects of yourself you can't help... and then overcoming those obstacles to achieve your goals... even if it means having to work twice as hard as someone else... I wouldn't mind that at all. That kind of game/story is totally my thing. It's why I played as an alienage elf in DAO, and a Dalish elf mage in DAI. I love having the odds stacked against me, if only so I could knock those down one by one. I'd say the type of game you're describing is quite appealing.  

 

That's the sort of thing I'd like to see if BioWare (or anyone else) ever allow us to be specifically transgender in their games.


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I would, but then tha'ts closer to non gendered than what is available now. I'd play non gendered if I could.



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I wouldnt play as one, but I wouldn't mind if bioware included something like that either.

In the CC, you can make males with female hairstyles, and females with facial hair. That's the closest you can get I'm afraid so role play with what you got!

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I have actually asked a trans person this myself. I think the idea is just to be able to play as someone in a game who is like themselves. 



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Well, I'm cix, not trans, but my impression based off reading and listening to some trans perspectives (by no means all) is basically that trans folk can't be reduced to a single opinion. Some trans people probably prefer to just be known as their preferred gender identity (i.e. "I'm just a man.") while others might feel that their trans identity in and of itself is very important to them...or a mix!

 

There's also non-binary folks...genderqueer people, for instance, who break out of the male-female binary entirely. Gender fluid people...Lots of different identities.

 

Some of these are culturally bound (Two Spirit comes to mind), and Thedas might have its own culturally-based gender identities. The Avvar might have genders beyond male and female, for instance...I dunno, maybe their Shamans forsake gender as part of a cultural tradition, seeing them as beyond the everyday of male and female because of their magic or something. Or maybe the Fex have a ceremony where at the age of 13 they choose a new name for themselves, which includes forging a new gender for themselves, and this is celebrated as a coming-of-age thing sort of like a birthday. Maybe a culture we haven't seen believes that eye color dictates a person's role in life, and they largely ignore gender except for breeding purposes. Who knows? Culture can do lots of things.

 

I think as far as PC characters go, it would be nice if they allowed the player to choose race and class like always, but then have us pick sex and gender separately. (So I'm playing a human rogue female who was born male). Or maybe they could at least separate voices from gender so we could theoretically have a female character (female presenting) voiced by John Curry.


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People need to remember this is a fantasy action game, not a life simulator. Enjoy the game for what it is.


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Oh, I... I think I like that, actually. Playing as an underdog character, looked down on or dismissed because of aspects of yourself you can't help...


Oh, please. That's pure fantasy and delusion.

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Oh, please. That's pure fantasy and delusion.

Of course it is. We're in a forum, discussing an RPG game that has mages, dragons, demons and elves. What did you expect to find, mate?  


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As a transgender myself I prefer to just play the gender I am inside.
It completely kills the whole point of escapism if I just go and play a woman trapped in a man's body.
The games bioware has released over the years have been very therapeutic for me, especially Mass Effect.
The depression and indignance over my predicament just melt away into the experience, and for that I'm excessively grateful.


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People need to remember this is a fantasy action game, not a life simulator. Enjoy the game for what it is.

Ugh. This is the kind of comment I hate the most. Yes, it's a fantasy game. Yes, we realize it's not a real life simulator. But excuse you, because we are not naive little children with so little self-awareness that you need to remind us of what is real and what is not. We know these games feature a fantasy world, but they still reflect facets of our society that merit discussion. If you've nothing of substance to add to that discussion, then just leave, dude, but don't talk down to people like that.



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You know I don't think it matters if transgen. want to play transgen. I'd being willing to wager most of the lesbian characters aren't actually played by lesbians.

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Ugh. This is the kind of comment I hate the most. Yes, it's a fantasy game. Yes, we realize it's not a real life simulator. But excuse you, because we are not naive little children with so little self-awareness that you need to remind us of what is real and what is not. We know these games feature a fantasy world, but they still reflect facets of our society that merit discussion. If you've nothing of substance to add to that discussion, then just leave, dude, but don't talk down to people like that.

 

This so much.

 

There's nothing wrong with people wanting their own experiences reflected in a fantasy world. Fantasy is based in reality and already reflects other real experiences.



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but they still reflect facets of our society

I'd so much would rather if fantasy had NOTHING to do with our society.



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OT:  Every time I see this thread's title in the DA: I forum portal, it says "Do transgender people even" (and then cuts off).  Every time, I want it to end with, "Do transgender people even lift, bro?"  Every time. 


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...as pointless and irritating as a flannel dild0.

 

Without doubt my favourite quote of the year (including last one)...


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Are you familiar with Mount & Blade: Warband? It's a game where you start off as a nobody in a medieval setting who is free to be whatever it is you like. Trader, fight for a country, be a mercenary, even become queen/king. I downloaded a mod for it sometime ago in which, if your character is female, locks certain options (like becoming the owner of a fief through asking the king/queen of the country to make it so, you may become that by other means at any point regardless of gender) until you acquire a certain amount of "Renown" (more than men would need to collect based on the notion that it was, historically, quite odd to give away land to a woman) that proves your valour regardless of what gender your character is. How does that sound to you?

 

Erm, that's a vanilla feature :)

However, yes, I found Taleworld's approach in differentiating the male/female experience very refreshing. When you have low renown, and you meet lords as a female character, some of them accept you, some of them are polite but it's clear they see women as inferior, and others are just pricks. It's great! And you can rule them all if you like. The whole dynamic changes too, like as a male you are granted land immediately upon swearing fealty, but you have to go through the courting process for political gain, and the ladies are kinda useless, where as as a female, you have to fight for your rights, but then you can marry a powerful lord and skip the whole courting process (assuming the lord doesn't have a problem with a fighting woman), etc etc.

 

Still, I would be disappointed if they spent more resources on a transgender option especially considering DAI itself is lacking in the whole RP department already, not to mention its other flaws.


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Erm, that's a vanilla feature :)

However, yes, I found Taleworld's approach in differentiating the male/female experience very refreshing. When you have low renown, and you meet lords as a female character, some of them accept you, some of them are polite but it's clear they see women as inferior, and others are just pricks. It's great! And you can rule them all if you like.

 

Still, I would be disappointed if they spent more resources on a transgender option especially considering DAI itself is lacking in the whole RP department already, not to mention its other flaws.

 

Is it? Could've sworn that was not the case... oh well, even better!  :lol:



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Yeah, Taleworlds know Medieval ;)

The amount of hours I've sunk into that game since the old M&B beta .751 lol (And there were countless mods for the game even at that point!)



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I don't see why they would. Just play as the gender you want to in game. Someone can just head cannon that their inquisitor is transgender if they really wanted to.

 

Actually putting development resources into adding an option to be transgender in game seems hardly necessary due to how rare transgender people are in real life.


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I've even played as a bread :D

 

2OP4ME. :blink:

 

I MUST PLAY THIS NOW.