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[akisvar]

Well...i play with mouse lag free 99% even in combat targetting now on 1280x720 and changing to 16 bit colours on desktop( can try have the same resolution on desktop but after some tests didnt see much difference) which hasnt any noticable impact on image quality.For my system at least.And figured the characters to choose so noone dies testing mouse lag at the same time..



Thought to post this so it might help someone.Bying new grapchic card is the best solution but until then ..

[hosermage]

I have an hp dv4 laptop with a geforce 9200m gs, 256mb ddr2, surely this should be good enough??? Why isn't there a setting in the coalesced.ini file to compensate for this??

[7th_Phoenix]

Frink815 wrote...

Thomas_R_Roy wrote...

So far, everyone has confirmed their framerate is below about 10.

For now, I don't know if it'll be fixed in a patch, so all I can do is suggest ways to fix it.
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Again I know this sucks and I'm not happy saying it, but we decided to use the graphics card for the blue selection squares, and if its not fast enough there's really no simple way around it for now.

Well it sucks that the minimum system specs are there for a reason and if you have a video card greater than even the recomended system specs this spacebar issue is still a problem.  Didn't you guys at least test it on an older video card which is above the system specs just to make issues like this not a problem. 

I really do hope there will be a fix for this, why would you add something like this to the graphics card portion and not the RAM?

All I'll say is that I seriously agree. It saddens me... and I'd also really like to see a fix for this.

[Kloreep]

hosermage wrote...

I have an hp dv4 laptop with a geforce 9200m gs, 256mb ddr2, surely this should be good enough???

No.

Here's the thing about graphics cards: the first number, in this case 9xxx, mostly indicates the architecture - i.e. what sorts of things the Graphics Processing Unit is basically compatible with (e.g. DirectX 9). It means nothing whatsoever about the processing power, that is, how many and how complicated the 3D rendering it can throw around is. Yes, if it's a newer series like the 9xxxs then Moore's Law indicates that they can put more punch in, but that  doesn't mean they will.

Which brings us to the second number, in this case 200, which is what usually indicates how the performance level compares to the other cards in its series. Even without knowing exactly how the series is being numbered, 2 is clearly the low range of 1-9. That should have been a warning bell if you were buying this laptop to play games. (And you have to be doubly careful about laptop cards where size, heat, and power consumption need to really be kept down; sometimes the laptop version will be named after a desktop card but not actually be as powerful.)

In future, I'd recommend at least eyeballing something like the Tom's Hardware Graphics Hierarchy Chart when buying a video card/laptop containing one.

[VKX_XYZ]

Thomas_R_Roy wrote...

Again I know this sucks and I'm not happy saying it, but we decided to use the graphics card for the blue selection squares, and if its not fast enough there's really no simple way around it for now.

This is good.  At least you were straight with us and let us know where the short coming likely is.  I hadn't realized that the targetting reticle was in the graphics processor and not the main processor.  Like others, I'm playing on a laptop with a mediocre card.  Only thing that disturbs me is that I didnt change any of the graphics settings that the game set automatically.  they aren't at minimum, but they are what the game thought was optimum.

Would this also be the cause of the slow mouse in the circuit hacking mini game?  Using the graphics processor for the mouse has never been a good idea in any game that I've played that used the same.  The graphics processor is typically slower than the main processor and is typically not optimized for mouse movement and control let alone interfacing with the operating systems mouse.  There is a fair lag gap between the GPU and the CPU and something as sensitive as the mouse should always remain at the heart of the CPU for the best control and speed.

Anyway, I am glad you let us know about that.  I will further adjust my graphics settings in order to get the targetting reticle to work properly.  Thanks!

[hosermage]

According to the hierarchy chart, my video card is on the same level as an ATI Mobility 9700 (64-bit). So I shouldn't have problems right??

[Kloreep]

hosermage wrote...

According to the hierarchy chart, my video card is on the same level as an ATI Mobility 9700 (64-bit). So I shouldn't have problems right??

On the Toms chart, the ATI Mobility 9700 is five tiers below the bare-minimum ATI Radeon x1600 PRO. Just as the 9200m is five tiers below the bare-minimum Nvidia GeForce 6800.

[petelaurie]

I hooked up my monitor to my laptop. The recommended resolution for the monitor is 1680x1050, and that is what I have it set to in Windows. But I play ME2 at 1024x600 and average around 12fps.



Will lowering the resolution in Windows improve ME2's performance? I also have the monitor hooked up through an HDMI cable. Will a different type of connection improve things? These questions may be really stupid, but I don't understand the interrelation between windows settings and the game's settings, or if there is one that is relevant here.

[7th_Phoenix]

Thomas_R_Roy wrote...

So far, everyone has confirmed their framerate is below about 10.

For now, I don't know if it'll be fixed in a patch, so all I can do is suggest ways to fix it.

1) Make your window size smaller
2) Play in windowed mode
3) Some graphics drivers will let you reduce the quality in the settings
4) Close all other programs

For some people, different levels will run faster or slower.

Again I know this sucks and I'm not happy saying it, but we decided to use the graphics card for the blue selection squares, and if its not fast enough there's really no simple way around it for now.

1) It's at 640x480 resolution
2) In windowed mode
3) Also, I've now reduced every quality setting on my graphics driver
4) Plus, I have no programs running

And I still can't get the blue targeting box to show up despite trying to use work-arounds (esc trick, reloading). This is so disappointing... really it is.

[sighs] Time to find a new system to play the game on...

[Sand68]

AMD Dual Core 2.30 GHz w/nvidia 6150se /3.00 GB of ram. Fps is 8. Ok, I did the 640x480, closed every program, jumped into windowed mode and shut down every option in the graphics menu and the nividia option menu. It worked! Then I get to a place (still in the first mission, Lab and Two guys are with me) where there's a computer, something on the floor I'm suppose to hack and another circuit board on the wall/door - and the blue box blinks once over the code hack thing on the floor and that's it. I can't pick it up. I tried for 3 hours but to no avail. So I'm hopelessly stuck - And quite angry I might add It’s hard to believe out of all the bright wonderful people with bioware that someone doesn’t have a solution other than what has already been mentioned.

[Sand68]

The post duplicated. Unable to delete so I edited it. No additional

Modifié par Sand68, 22 février 2010 - 06:22 .

[Kloreep]

Sand68 wrote...

nvidia 6150se

That's way below spec. Bioware can't make the game run on a video chip that simply doesn't have the necessary power.

[Sand68]

Granted. I realize I possess a card that is below specs and is reminiscent of the 1980’s Nintendo machine lol. However, my issue is that it has been working up until the part of the game I mentioned. The fps remain the same as well. I could and may upgrade my card today. Nevertheless, I am afraid that may not fix it. I have read posts by individuals whose systems exceed the requirements and they are in a nightmare as well. Thanks for your reply

[Gorath Alpha]

Psyrex01 wrote...

My system is half way decent.

IMO, that is a gross overstatement.  I would say it's far less than "half", because that is how much the video CARD contributes to performance, and a 9100 isn't a "Card" at all.

although I only have the Geforce 9100 (256ddr2), When I play game full settings there is no lag / stuttering (fraps says 7fps) - targetting not available(blue box), I then killed all the visuals and lowered screen to 800x600 (fraps reports 19-23fps) - targetting is now available but the graphics look like crap. I've tried turning things back up 1 at a time, no matter what I touch targetting goes away. Example: add bloom (targetting goes away - fraps reports 15-17fps), take that away and add 1024x768 (targetting goes away - fraps reports 15fps). Hopr this helps whomever .

There simply isn't anyone's onboard video chip that works "respectably" below the level of the ATI Radeon 4200 chip, and *it* isn't going to offer a truly satisfactory experience. 

Sand68 wrote...

AMD Dual Core 2.30 GHz w/nvidia 6150se /3.00 GB of ram. Fps is 8.  So I'm hopelessly stuck - And quite angry I might add It’s hard to believe out of all the bright wonderful people with bioware that someone doesn’t have a solution other than what has already been mentioned.

You have no reason in the world at all for anger at anyone other than yourself (for ignoring the requirements).  Compared to that Geforce 9100 chip, the primitive POS chip you have is four generations older and one twentiesth part as good as the ATI Radeon 4200 chip, which is below the requirements.

P. S. Although this thread had gotten to be eight days old, it is the one that a recent new arrival had ignored out of several that he found with the search function, and added new replies to -- it seems to have covered the situation, while ending without a response to the pair of contributors whose quotes appear above.

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 02 mars 2010 - 01:45 .

[aserath]

Same problem here. Space works on the "press any key" screen but no where else. It seems to work if you hit ESC and then space right after but playing the whole game like that is NOT cool.

[Gorath Alpha]

aserath wrote...

Same problem here. Space works on the "press any key" screen but no where else. It seems to work if you hit ESC and then space right after but playing the whole game like that is NOT cool.

No one can answer anything for you based on what you wrote.  It's the third sticky from the top in that (this) forum that covers what is needed, and the part telling the noobs what data we need from them starts this way: 

(Chris Priestley's Fill in the blanks instructions -- you may ignore the question about what game is involved, however):

"If you don’t find a similar problem already reported, consider starting a new thread. Note that most of this information can be obtained by using the game’s Configuration Utility, which is available by pressing the [Configure] button from the game’s launcher:"

Let's pretend he wrote that for, and also stickied it up at the top, in both places, shall we?  There's no need to ask which game you are describing a problem for, in the DA Forum, and now that ME-1 is removed from the ME-2 Tech Discussions Forum, Chris could edit his post to remove his first question anyway.

It's possible, however, that you may prefer this other format, instead:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/106/index/1537629

It won't hurt to review this Bioware employee's comments about poor control system interaction, either:

http://social.biowar...3/index/1690892


Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 14 mars 2010 - 06:08 .

[destroyer4253]

i ahd this issue and people who helped said that its most likely your FPS on your graphics acrd when it trys to run the game your fps is probally below 14 and when it runs below 14 you lose connection with the game enviroment which also explains why hitting at the right instantce would because then your fps is still high because the enviroment is relaouading





Now if this isnt correct dont through a hissy fit im just attmepting to help from past expercience

[Gorath Alpha]

You are trying to overwork an old video card too hard. Drop your screen resolution more. That video card is four years old, and about to drop clean out of Mainline into Low End. It had a decent core speed in its day, but that day is now long gone: http://www.gpureview...1=385&card2=180

[OrcishDonut]

I posted this couple of days ago, but it didn't seem to stick:

I have Vista 64-bit OS, and I was getting inconsistent use of the spacebar. Specifically for, ME2, I turned on Compatibility mode for XP SP2, and now the spacebar is working consistently.

[houjo2000]

Is there going to be a fix on this? I can do the battles just fine, I suffer a tiny bit of lag on the highest graphics settings, but, the only two things that are near impossible to do are opening doors and that circuit hacking mini game, and it's a pain in the butt.

[Gorath Alpha]

If the complaint is caused by low frame rates, no one anywhere is going to "fix" anything.  Any graphics device below the official minimum is just not going to work correctly.  Very low screen resolutions can help allow a game owner to preview enough of the game to decide whether or not to upgrade, but that's about all such hardware can be used for. 

Occasionally, as with the owner of the Geforce 7600 GT, a card that is basically the same performance level as the official minimum can be hampered by something, perhaps a bad driver, and have slow frame rates when it should be doing better. 

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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 01 février 2011 - 03:39 .

[Fredvdp]

They mention in the latest patch notes that they fixed an issue with the spacebar and interaction with objects, but someone told me that this is a bug fix rather than an optimization for people running unsupported hardware.

[Gorath Alpha]

This message thread contains the only official comments known to exist in regard to the design decision on connecting the environmental interaction to the video graphics feedback mechanism, resulting in cutting off the unsupported video from playing.